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It's like it sounds. It's a world game. Just a basic one.
Also, if I can get enough people interested, I'd like to play a world game called "United nations" that is more of an RPG, Where we just debate shit and military movements is so big deal and not common.
Saudi Arabia is one of the main sources of funding for ISIS / ISIL / Daesh.
Saudi Arabia routinely executes political prisoners and children, usually by beheading. Over 150 have been executed this year. Another 55 are due to be beheaded in the next few days.
The one festival in which a Western nation actually celebrates a huge influx of immigrants of a differing religious and cultural background arriving from overseas and all but wiping out the indigenous population.
Interesting in the context of current goings-on in Europe, the Middle East, etc.
Hello all!Is there anyone here that is into martial arts or more specifically kendo? I am interested in kendo but have not found as much information as I would like. Can someone tell me their thoughts about it?
In the following situation, what would the outcome be between Austria and Italy. [[ Italy: Army Tyrolia move to Trieste & Army Venice move to Trieste ]] [[ Austria: Army Vienna move to Trieste & Army Budapest support move to Trieste from Vienna ]]
At the airport at the security line they have a banner for every World Championship that Boston wins, & I found it incredibly amusing that they're running out of room. http://imgur.com/akkHlEN
An SU-24, by all accounts. Those things are antiques. Not that I'm suggesting that this is the case, but if you wanted to test a nation and provoke an incident, without risking any classified technology falling in to your enemy's hands, that's exactly the kind of piece of junk aircraft you'd use.
I expect the Russian media to play this incident for maximum propaganda effect, but unless I see some evidence of Turkish foul play, I'm chalking this sad incident up to the risks one takes when entering the fog of war. This is not the first time in the Syrian conflict that Turkish airspace has been violated by Russian planes and Turkey has warned Russia before.
Funny how this happens just as the world was beginning to agree on a Syria strategy.
@ Octavious: The SU-24M is still in widespread service with Russia and other post-Soviet air forces. While you're right that it's a 1970s design, they were in production until the 90s and underwent a significant mid-life upgrade programme in the late 90s and early 2000s. You could make similar claims about the Panavia Tornado which is still in service with our RAF. It's true they're not the most modern aircraft but the anti-aircraft capability of ISIS is weak, and almost non-existent in the case of other Syrian rebels who Russia is also targeting - so it's a perfectly adequate aircraft for the role in which Russia is currently employing it. It's reported that Russia has 12 SU-24M and about 6 SU-34 (which is currently in the process of replacing the SU-24) in the long range strike role in Syria, as well as a squadron of SU-25s in the closer ground attack role. (Again an ageing machine, but again, adequate for the current role).
I don't think you can easily make the claim that Russia has dragged a piece of scrap out of storage and thrown it across the Turkish border to provoke an incident.
This seems like too much of a coincidence. Firstly, this isn't the first time that the Russians have probed NATO's, and especially Turkey's in light of the Syrian conflict, airspace. Secondly, the pilots were radioed, but failed to respond. Plus, this comes at the time when everyone starts to agree about what to do in Syria. I don't think Russia wants everyone to agree. They don't want everyone getting involved, they don't want the election to happen, they don't want to lose Assad. They want Syria to be exclusively theirs. Causing conflict among the big players certainly helps to accomplish this. How far would Russia go to do that? I don't know. It is possible they were intentionally probing Turkish air space, and they didn't think the Turks would fire back. Who knows?
I think the notion that Putin was somehow playing games is incredulous. This has put Putin in a situation he really doesn't want to be in. If he takes no action he looks weak and if he takes action he runs the very real risk that NATO will be stupid enough to respond.
The idea that Turkey would shoot down a Russian jet without being certain it is within it's airspace is also fanciful. I can't see any NATO country wanting to go to defend Turkey when it was the initial aggressor. Turkey may have to take its punishment without hiding behind the NATO umbrella. That in turn will have far reaching consequences for NATO, once they accept any attack on a member country even in retaliation, then it's whole credibility is undermined.
I think that US and other NATO members will put pressure on Turkey to apologise quickly and stay away from any engagement with Russia in the future unless santioned by NATO command.
If Russian jet was in Turkey airspace, then whilst Turkey would have right to shoot it down, I think that they need to feel threatened by Russia in order to act.
if the plane was hit over Syria, it would be a Turkish aggression and the fact that Turkey is NATO member wouldn't matter, because the alliance is meant to defend against aggression. For Turkey and it's allies is hard to accept that their so precious "moderate" terrorists have to go, so they try to react. Russia wants everyone to agree (but sadly not all the countries agree on that). I expect Assad will be elected (again) also during the next elections. It's not on Russia or on any other country to approve or disapprove the choices of the Syrian people, so when someone not from Syria says Assad has to stay, or Assad has to go, he is just saying nonsense...
"if the plane was hit over Syria, it would be a Turkish aggression and the fact that Turkey is NATO member wouldn't matter, because the alliance is meant to defend against aggression." - I don't think this is true, If Russia hits back Article 5 could be invoked.
Until NATO powers started exerting pressure, Turkey was perfectly OK with allowing foreigners to cross their border to join ISIS. The only time they spoke up about it is when Kurds wanted to travel through to protect a border city from falling to ISIS.
Al Jazeera America is reporting that the Russian pilot and WSO were shot and killed by Syrian rebels after they ejected and while they were descending under their parachutes.
That's a war crime, guys. A pretty serious war crime at that. It will be interesting to see if the Russians take this to the International Criminal Court, but that could be tough because the Syrian rebels don't have a unified command structure or even accountable officers (which is another war crime)
"That's a war crime, guys. A pretty serious war crime at that."
Yeah... that ship left the harbor long ago. If the Assad regime's use of chemical weapons on civilians, multiple well-documented acts of genocide by ISIS, and the beheading of an American reporter on camera wasn't enough to get the ICC interested in Syria, then I'm not sure the execution of a downed Russian pilot will either. But we can always hope...
If I recall it correctly, there was absolutely no proof that chemical weapons had been used by Assad. There was evidence that they had been used, but it was impossible to determine by whom.
Regardless of whether it was Assad or the rebels, chemical weapons are only illegal in *international* armed conflict. There's nothing illegal about Syrians gassing other Syrians. Inhumane, sure. But not illegal under international law. If chemical weapons were illegal in domestic disputes, then there's a lot of police officers that are guilty of war crimes (tear gas).
Shooting a Russian pilot under canopy originating from an aircraft in distress? That's a bigger no-no.
"If chemical weapons were illegal in domestic disputes, then there's a lot of police officers that are guilty of war crimes (tear gas)."
Tear gas is banned in warfare, but allowed in domestic policing use such as riot control. Does that distinction make a lot of sense? Probably not. However, it doesn't follow that states can use any kind of chemical weapon against their own citizens without violating international law.
Obviously, states can't commit a "war crimes" without being at "war" (assuming for the sake of argument that the Syrian Civil War doesn't qualify as a "war" under international law), but states can still commit crimes against humanity during peacetime.
It's true that the gas attacks *could* be construed as a crime against humanity, but I don't buy it. I don't think the severity of the attack is sufficient to be considered a crime against humanity. It was largely a tactical gas attack, not a strategic one.
In any case, there's no prima facie evidence that government forces were behind the attack. Personally, I believe the gas attack was launched by the rebels as a false-flag stunt to try to get more Western sympathy/support.
@Gunfighter exactly. No matter what a person's opinion about Asad is, you can't say the guy's stupid. There's no way he'd use chemical weapons when the US was looking for an excuse to intervene.
Time for George Osborne to fuck the vulnerable even more
Brilliant and succinct precis by a very sound economist, ahead of today's Spending Review statement, which will herald more pain and misery for the UK's poorest and most vulnerable. The Tory plan to use "austerity" as a vehicle to destroy British social democracy continues apace.
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