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Thucydides (864 D(B))
09 Jan 12 UTC
For entertainment purposes only: an exercise in counter-factual history
SCENARIO: Columbus' voyage was lost. See the rest inside.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
09 Jan 12 UTC
SCENARIO: Columbus’ voyage was lost.

1492, October 17 – The Sea seems endless. The men are exhausted. After seven weeks sailing we feel we may never find land. The lookout, Rodrigo, thought he sighted land, but we were at that moment taken by a strong southerly current such that we could not verify his claim. I myself thought I saw a light earlier that evening, but could not have been sure. The night was so thick that no one else claimed to have seen it.

October 25 – I think now that God never meant for us to sail west. Perhaps there is only ocean to the end of the earth. Or forever. I would never admit it in front of my men of course but…

November 2 – Land! A large mass was sighted just after dawn today, and we have stepped tepidly ashore. We have made camp on the shoreline and sent a party inland to get the lay of the land.

November 3 – The party led by Juan never returned, though they were to return within the hour. The men, spent in jubilation at the sight of land, now begin to worry. The captain of the marines has told me his sentries reported shadows moving in the jungle. I dismiss this as mere paranoia.


In 1492 King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain sent one Christopher Columbus westward across the Atlantic in search of Asia. His return, expected within a few years at most, never came. Columbus died in November of 1492 on the island of Hispaniola.

Meanwhile Portugal was busy exploring a route to India around the Cape of Good Hope, having discovered the cape in 1488. Seven years after the ill-fated Columbus expedition, Vasco da Gama of Portugal returned, having successfully travelled to India.

With Portugal in the lead, a race was on to get around the Cape of Good Hope and colonize the coasts of India and Africa.

The year after da Gama returned from India, 1500, Portugal organized another expedition to establish trade with India, led by a noble named Pedro Alvares Cabral. In order to catch the trade winds, which would bring him around the Cape of Good Hope however, Cabral had to sail west, out into the Atlantic. Not having much nautical experience, however, Cabral went somewhat too far. Before long, his men spotted seaweed in the water. They knew they were nearing land in the west, and sure enough land was sighted on the 23rd of April 1500, what we know as the eastern coast of Brazil.

RESULT:

Portugal gets the jump on Spain in colonizing the New World, in addition to its gains in Africa and India.

Tension between Spain and Portugal escalates in the 1580s, and results in a war, with Portugal as the decisive victor thanks to vast reserves of bullion mined from South America. During the war Queen Elizabeth breaks the Anglo-Portuguese alliance and attacks Portugal, but France intervenes on Portugal’s side. The Netherlands is ceded to Portugal at the end of this war.

The burgeoning Ottomans, seeing a weakened Spain, aided the Morisco revolt of conquered Muslims in south Spain.

Spain subsequently lost southern Italy, Andalusia (to Moors), and Holland to Portugal. The Hapsburg dynasty never materialized, and, when King Philip II died in battle with the Ottomans, Spain was brought into an Iberian Union with Portugal under Portuguese King Sebastian.

By 1600 Portugal was the preeminent world power, with Latin America and the Caribbean under its control. France would land on the east coast of North America a few years later, while England pursued a more slothful colonization policy based in Newfoundland. Andalusia was reconquered by King Sebastian, and in 1675 the Iberian Union was politically formalized, the two merging into one state, with the Spanish language largely discouraged.

Competition between the navies of England and Portugal ensured that Portugal’s ally France could develop its North American colonies freely.

Meanwhile wars in Italy and North Africa, along with the occasional spat with England gradually bankrupted the Iberian Union, which declined somewhat in power during the 1600s. France became preeminent during this time, having developed colonies and expanded along America’s east and Gulf coasts.

The formation of the Iberian India Company in 1715 based in Goa changed Portugal’s fortunes on the world stage. India was conquered by Iberia by 1800.

England gained influence in East Asia at Malacca and Singapore over Portugal, and discovered Australia soon after.

By the time Napoleon Bonaparte was born in Corsica in 1769, France and Iberia were rivals.

So when revolution broke out in Spain with an attempt to establish a Republic founded on Enlightenment ideals of democracy, France assisted, with Napoleon commanding. A long war broke out in which Portugal recaptured Spain but lost Central America to France. England sided with France against Iberia. At war’s end in 1809, the Portuguese speaking territory of Azteca revolted against its new French masters, established a copycat republic of the ill-fated Republic of Spain.

This marked the world’s first democracy.

A few years later in France a republican revolution broke out, as in the Low Countries. Holland (and what is now Belgium) seceded from Iberia successfully, forming the Union of the Low Countries, another republic.

Meanwhile, in France, Napoleon successfully positioned himself as the Emperor after the fall of the king, and proceeded to invade Iberia. He was so successful in invading and occupying Iberia that the king had to flee to South America, which became independent as a result. By this time England and Prussia felt France was a significantly greater threat than Portugal, especially now with a friendly Union of the Low Countries near them, so they joined the battle against Portugal.

Azteca was allied to Iberia during this war and as a result fought several successful battles in the American southwest, gaining control of New Orleans.

Eventually, Napoleon died (1820), and a true Republic took root, as did one in liberated Iberia.

South America, called Henrica, (after Henry the Navigator), was ruled by a king until 1880, when a revolution ousted him in favor of a republic. The Inca nation (never fully conquered) broke off during this revolt.

The first of the European nations to industrialize, in the 1830s, was Iberia. England and France followed quickly, however. By 1850, the newly industrialized nations were “scrambling for Africa” and Asia.

France took the Sahara region and West Africa, England South and Central Africa, Portugal North and Central-Southern, and much of East Africa and the Levant.

The Low Countries took parts of East Africa in a bid to compete with their larger neighbors.

In Asia, England consolidated holdings in Southeast Asia and Indonesia, while Henrica took the Philippines and New Guinea by force.

The Qing dynasty by the end of the 19th century was faltering, in favor of a republican revolution. This gave previously reclusive Japan a chance at expansion, and subsequently contact with the world. Russia expanded southward and across the Bering Strait.

Louisiana and Newfoundland became independent states peacefully, and expanded into the interior. Germany and Italy unified around 1900.

In 1900 war erupted between the powers of Europe once more, ignited by a naval skirmish in the Strait of Madagascar between England and Iberia. In this First Global War, France, Italy, Henrica, and Germany fought alongside Iberia. The Low Countries, the Ottomans, Russia, Inca, and Azteca fought with England.

The first “modern” war, there were extensive casualties.

Fought to a stalemate, an international body called the United States was formed afterward in an attempt to prevent another war.

Independence movements in Africa and Asia were put down brutally. These quellings had racist motivations, but the Europeans powers were also afraid of powerful new states like Azteca or Henrica coming onto the world stage. Azteca, Louisiana and Newfoundland considered part of “the West” helped put these rebellions down.

Assimilation programs were undertaken such that the primary languages of the world became Portuguese, English, French, Arabic, Chinese and Russian.

In modern times the independence movements of the New World are seen as historical anomalies, and colonies no longer feel as though they are separate from the nation. Citizenship is extended to all. A pact between Iberia, France, England and Henrica, the world’s most powerful nations, has ensured continued integration via globalization and the United States, and lasting world peace.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
09 Jan 12 UTC
World map I drew, the World Without Columbus, ca 1900
Thucydides (864 D(B))
09 Jan 12 UTC
Hm I guess I didn't include Arabia.

What do you think would have happened to Arabia in my scenario. Probably still controlled by Ottomans or taken over by Iberia I'd guess. w/e
redhouse1938 (429 D)
09 Jan 12 UTC
Dang.
I don't know whether to call a doctor or the nobel prize committee for literature. I love it when that happens.
Tolstoy (1962 D)
09 Jan 12 UTC
Hmm.... I don't think Portugal had the resources and manpower to both establish trade with the Indies and conquer/exploit the New World in the same handful of decades of the early 1500s. And I think even if it had access to the Aztec and Inca gold reserves, Portugal would not have been able to buy its way to victory in a war against Spain and England (even with a Franco-Portuguese alliance). My two ducats.
2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
09 Jan 12 UTC
I'll +1 that for sake of sheer effort.
ulytau (541 D)
09 Jan 12 UTC
True, they were already really strained on manpower with the small extent of colonial administration they had (basically manning the trading posts, no large-scale colonization like Spain), with approximately 10% of their population handling the overseas business. Although they had a very benevolent approach to race on the mainland, so if there existed vested interests in expanding the power base, they could draw upon the manpower reserve from colonies, e.g. if the merchant-colonialist faction seeked strong foundation for fielding their own forces against the feudal levy on which nobility relied.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
09 Jan 12 UTC
Haha I guess I didn't think about it TOO hard.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
09 Jan 12 UTC
whoops didnt put this in before even after three tries lol

http://imgur.com/k88lA
ulytau (541 D)
09 Jan 12 UTC
I hope you didn't thought we would follow the hard route, appreciate all the finer points of your analysis and not just pinpoint the deficiencies ;) Anyway, I like your map! Perhaps a basis for a new Diplomacy variant? ;) Or, for added challenge, look into some Whole World variant game on vdip and try to think the reasoning behind the evolution of the game :P
So there wasn't much night life in Senegal, huh?
Thucydides (864 D(B))
10 Jan 12 UTC
Lol no no I actually wrote this like... a year and a half ago I just found it on my computer.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
10 Jan 12 UTC
+1ing you anyway.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
10 Jan 12 UTC
So what do y'all think would have happened to the world if Columbus' voyage was lost?
semck83 (229 D(B))
10 Jan 12 UTC
England would have sent ships west soon thereafter on a hunch, started 13 colonies, they would have rebelled and become the United States around the 1780s.... Manifest destiny, man.

Hey everyone: I'm JUST KIDDING.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
10 Jan 12 UTC
Lol yeah when I decided to make an analogy in mine for the United Nations I was like "what am I going to call it"

Decided on United States. Lmao. If someone from now was transported to that world, that would be fucken bizarre.


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09 Jan 12 UTC
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A European Union embargo on Iranian crude oil imports could take a few months to start because some EU capitals want a delay they say they need to shield their debt-stricken economies, diplomats said on Friday.
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10 Jan 12 UTC
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09 Jan 12 UTC
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10 Jan 12 UTC
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09 Jan 12 UTC
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12 teams, 1 mission...

And so the playoffs begin, and in the spirit of the playoff feel, a bit of a twist to the Pick 'em formula--you must AT LEAST break even (get 2/4 games right, or more) to stay in...3 strikes, you're out! Let's see how many make it all the way to the Super Bowl. So--4 games, 8 teams, 1 gluteus to its maximus...Pick 'em!
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
09 Jan 12 UTC
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WHAT did he mean by that, do you suppose? O.O I have no idea...! LOL
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Haert (234 D)
09 Jan 12 UTC
need players
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GameID= 77200 starting in a few hours
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tricky (148 D)
07 Jan 12 UTC
Possible multi
Dear all,

Can somebody please tell me the correct way to report a posssible multi accounter in a game that has now finished?
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03 Jan 12 UTC
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Details inside. For the rest, sorry for spamming the forum.
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taos (281 D)
08 Jan 12 UTC
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what is that kestas wants?
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06 Jan 12 UTC
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What does everyone think?
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ryanrogers (1824 D)
09 Jan 12 UTC
Live Game Starting 15 Minutes - Players Needed!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=77295
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09 Jan 12 UTC
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Hey Guys,
I'd like to let you know about the opportunity to play a game. This game is 5 minute phases and should be played pretty quickly. Hopefully, we'll get through it by the time its not too late. gameID=77303
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09 Jan 12 UTC
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09 Jan 12 UTC
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08 Jan 12 UTC
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08 Jan 12 UTC
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26 Dec 11 UTC
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08 Jan 12 UTC
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08 Jan 12 UTC
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