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Riphen (198 D)
26 Aug 11 UTC
This Year in Gaming..
I only just realized that these next few months in gaming are really going steal money straight from my wallet.
7 replies
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Conservative Man (100 D)
25 Aug 11 UTC
It's time to laugh your asses off!
I believe I have found THE most absurdly stupid website on the internet: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=1324.0

Their logic is just so dumb at times, it deserves a facepalm.
23 replies
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Jelle (103 D)
25 Aug 11 UTC
Bug in webdiplomacy?
In our game (after Autumn) the Austrian has to give retreat orders, although he has nowhere to retreat to ánd above he has no sc's left.

Is it possible to check if there is only one option for a retreat, process that one option and move to next phase?
6 replies
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Riphen (198 D)
25 Aug 11 UTC
Tournament Idea.
I thought of a cool kind of thing...that has probably already been thought of and maybe is already in action.
17 replies
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acmac10 (120 D(B))
26 Aug 11 UTC
Bohemia Rhapsody
I'd just like to thank all that were in it and gracefully paused as my computer's motherboard (actually my back-up computer, same model, Dell XPS M1330, never going to buy another Dell again. My own computer had a motherboard crash about a week ago, then I switched to my sister's). Anyway, thanks for canceling, now I'mma buy a Lenovo! Anybody recommend any other brands/models of Lenovo?
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
25 Aug 11 UTC
A short story by Yellowjacket
There's been a lot of storytelling lately, so I'd like to wow you all with this little ringer I put together.
12 replies
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Hominidae (156 D)
26 Aug 11 UTC
New game
Anyone want to play a world game with a two-day phase length? Then join Take Over (Most of) the Planet-2! It's at http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=66106
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swordsman3003 (14048 D(G))
21 Aug 11 UTC
Italian Strategy - why is it always the same?
When I play games, the Italian player always insists on attacking Austria right from the start, or allying Austria against Turkey. Why is it so rare to see an attack on France? In games I play, everyone seems to take it for granted and Italy and France will be neutral to each other - a metagame which sets up for a mighty attack by Italy on France in 1902. Are there deep reasons why this is rare that I don't understand?
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King Atom (100 D)
23 Aug 11 UTC
Game For Pros
I'd like a game where all of you proffessional players can come and kick my ass. And, I'll make it a live gunboat. You all can let me know when you want it to happen.
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Frank (100 D)
15 Aug 11 UTC
2000 point buy in
looking to start up a slow phase, wta, semi-anon game. anyone interested?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
24 Aug 11 UTC
France, land of the french...
'The tax increase came after some of France's wealthiest people had called on the government to tackle its deficit by raising taxes on the rich.'

i somehow doubt you would see this in America.
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SacredDigits (102 D)
25 Aug 11 UTC
Pro-tip: when in doubt, throw the food out
I gave myself food poisoning by eating some mushrooms yesterday that I knew were questionable but decided to risk (thankfully, I'm smart enough that I insulate my kids from my bad personal decisions, they didn't eat any). Poison control (which is free, I'm uninsured, so I have to do what I can) says that I should be out of the woods in a day or two, until then, I'll be less coherent than usual, if possible, and likely not on as much.
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josepr (100 D)
25 Aug 11 UTC
playing machiavelli
wow, i just found this place; condottierigame dot net/machiavelli/

great diplomacy variant with finance, assassins, plagues and a lot of backstabbing.
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livingghost1 (602 D)
25 Aug 11 UTC
World Game-Need a replacement for oz. Very strong position
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Onar (131 D)
23 Aug 11 UTC
Earthquake
So I'm reclining at home, reading The Princess Bride, when I feel my bed shake like nothing before. It felt like a wild animal was trapped underneath me. I come online, and what do I find out? The east coast was rocked by an earthquake! Anyone have thoughts on this?
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Gunfighter06 (224 D)
24 Aug 11 UTC
Libyan Rebels Win!
They stormed their evil dictator's house with AKs and stole everything that wasn't nailed down.

That is democracy with a capital D.
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santosh (335 D)
24 Aug 11 UTC
Why Bounce for fun?
5 replies
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micahbales (1397 D)
24 Aug 11 UTC
Reporting Cheating
I suspect that two countries in one of my games are actually being run by the same person. How can I report this and have someone look into it?
16 replies
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Cachimbo (1181 D)
24 Aug 11 UTC
Is the League to begin its activities soon?
Looking forward to it.
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King Atom (100 D)
24 Aug 11 UTC
Love Is All You Need...
...All you need is love!
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marspixie (100 D)
24 Aug 11 UTC
Game still paused
So I sent an email to the moderator but one of my games is STILL paused and one of the players hasn't been on in two weeks so we can't get a unanimous vote to cancel it, unpause it, or whatever. Does anyone know what else I could try to get out of this game?
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trim101 (363 D)
24 Aug 11 UTC
new game
you ok people have been away for a fair while and was wondering if anyone fancied a game 24hr turns dont mind the bet amount whose in?
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
20 Aug 11 UTC
On lying
Just a rambling lol - wrote it this weekend when the senelec "electricity" cut again for almost 36 hours. did it in a hurry so sorry for typos etc. what do you think?
Thucydides (864 D(B))
20 Aug 11 UTC
MUSINGS
on lies becoming reality

In Orwell’s 1984 the government literally rewrites history. When it wants something about the past changed, there is a simple solution - no time machine necessary: change the records. If you destroy the records of the true past and create false records for the new one, you have effectively changed history. Eventually, no one remembers the original.
Of course, this is scarcely possible on a large scale in today’s world. There is a huge paper trail for even the most insignificant acts, and a lack of infrastructure necessary to track it all down without creating its own paper trail, such that we can at least for the moment count on the facts of the past we see conforming relatively closely to the truth.
But I have discovered through experience that things are different at the personal level. You may think you can’t single-handedly rewrite the past. But you can, and I have.
It’s not as though the truth didn’t leave a paper trail here, too. But this is where sheer quantity of documentation becomes my ally. The information that would disprove the version of my past that I espouse is simply too hard to uncover. Not only is each piece of information very hard to come by - an old receipt, security camera footage, or the like - it takes mountains of this kind of proof to conclusively demonstrate that my version is totally false.
Also important is the nature and method of this kind of lying. If the lie is large enough - i.e. “I am this kind of person, not this other kind” - any one piece of contradicting evidence can be dismissed as anomalous.
“Oh, well obviously things were different that one time, but it usually wasn’t like that.”
That is the nature of the lie - too large, too vacuous and subjective, to ever disprove conclusively, even if the evidence was successfully collected in the first place, itself a nearly insurmountable task.
Now to speak of the method of the lie: crucially, the falsehoods are interwoven with truths. When an individual lie is told which serves to lend credibility to the larger lie (I am going to go do this thing characteristic of a person like me - a person I am actually not), and such a smaller manageable lie is believed, it creates in the minds of those lied to a measure of credibility for the broader lie. When this method is used enough times on the same people, they will come to be so convinced of the truth of your falsehood that they will actually defend, unsolicited, your version of events for you, further lending credibility to the lie.
But as for truth bundled with falsehood: a small lie like that just described must be a plausible action for both the real you and the false projection, or at least partially plausible. Put another way, actions that seem to support your false statements must accompany the lie. If you are claiming you have left town, you must leave, even if you do not do what you said you were doing out of town.
If this seems self-evident, it is necessary to point out that unsuccessful lies and liars are frequently ones that have no, or few, supporting actions.
This creates, as has been mentioned, an audacious snowball effect of credibility. Eventually, if you are successful, your false reputation will precede you. At this point it could be argued that you have successfully rewritten your personal history. When people who knew you before you endeavored to create a false persona come to believe in the new one (and they will if you follow the proper procedures), they, consciously or unconsciously, change their memories and ideas about who you were even prior to the day you first uttered an untruth about your personality. It is proven scientifically that human memories are extraordinarily malleable, and, contrary to common belief, once laid down are subject to change. The altered memories of those who know you best will be your most steadfast allies should your web of lies come under attack or scrutiny.
Indeed, this very thing, the fluidity of human memories, is perhaps most helpful when applied to yourself. If this seems surprising, consider the following. Once the lie about your persona has existed and has been believed for some time, you will find that you are now the only one, or almost, who knows who you are in reality. It is only natural, then, that after this situation has been a long time sustained, you, consciously or unconsciously, will come to see your own memories altered by sheer force of peer pressure. For it is also clear from science that humans are profoundly impacted by the actions and ideas of those around them, even when they directly contradict logic. When a lie, the same lie, is all the time on your lips, whereas the truth never is, the truth can in time be almost forgotten. In short, you come to believe your own lie. At this point, the transformation is complete - history, your personal history, has been rewritten.
This is fortuitous not only because it may have been your original objective, but also because it assists greatly, perhaps more than anything else, in perpetuating the false construction you have created.
When your own lie is believed by you at least on some level, repeating it is no longer really lying, with all the difficulties that entails. Even the most skilled liar, a master of the art of facial expression, intonation, and timing will have an easier time repeating a truth. A lie you believe is for that purpose no different from a truth. Telling the lie becomes second-natured, as much as saying your name or age, and telling the real truth becomes as difficult as lying.
Another asset springing from the nature of this kind of lie - a large lie, that is, is the ease of maintaining a consistent story. This is easier because, since the lie is large and applied universally, it is told to all - it becomes biographical information. So the sheer fact of telling the set of lies to all permits an easier time in maintaining the facade. It also further bolsters its credibility, in two ways.
One, people are more likely to believe something about a person if it is confirmed by all who know him. It is of little importance whether hearsay is the only evidence - when a statement is heard from multiple sources, it tends to be believed. The press is a good example of this phenomenon. Few will doubt what they read in a dozen newspapers, even if all the papers share a single source.
Two, the more often the lie is repeated, the more practiced you become at making it sound believable. Thus, even if the first ten people you lie to disbelieve you, you will have improved each time and will one by one begin convincing your new targets, learning what works and becoming more believable each time. Those who originally doubted will be converted later on by the above-mentioned peer pressure.
Clearly, however, one cannot always tell the same lie to all people. What may be an asset with one group could serve as a hindrance with another. This does not pose a problem, for it is only necessary to suppress the lie with those who needn’t believe it - a second lie is unnecessary. All that need be done to ensure against cross-contamination between those to whom you have lied and the rest is to include, as part and parcel of your well-honed story, an addendum that you are keeping these bits of information from a certain group and require secrecy with them. This certain group is in reality, however, the one you do not lie to. You, in effect, lie about lying.
You should take care that when separating two groups, the deceived and the rest, you are prepared to “admit” to the undeceived that you had been “lying” to them, should the above procedure against cross-contamination fail. In preparing for this possibility, you can even take steps that could potentially strengthen the credibility of the large lie should it be discovered. You do this by taking subtle actions that can be retroactively interpreted as underlying hints of the “truth” hiding under the surface all along. If the non-deceived never are made aware of the lie however, the hints will remain unintelligible to them and thereby innocuous to you.
The same technique of hint-dropping can be used in your campaign to have your large lie accepted as truth. For example, if your intended false persona is that you are merciless, you can subtly and subliminally support your lie with your targets by dropping hints that would indicate you are merciless, well in advance of your lie to that effect. You will have prepared the soil maximized your chances of success.
Oftentimes, your lie, when first told, may fall under suspicion not only because it seems implausible but also because you are known by your acquaintances to be a liar. Knowing this is one more count against the plausibility of your lie if you have failed to make it seem within your nature.
One of the surest ways to combat this problem, though it requires significant lying ability (which should not be a problem if you are a frequent liar - you will have had much practice), is to make it appear as you lie that you are embarrassed or harmed in some way by revealing the “truth” to them. If they further insist you are lying, you can deflect their attention from the implausibility of your story by feigning hurt feelings. You have “revealed” a deeply personal and damaging secret, and they have responded by accusing you of lying. If even this fails, respond by saying it makes no difference to you if the story is believed - you would rather it weren’t true anyway, since it is “damaging.” Even if you fail to convince them with this, you will have at least planted the idea in their minds. When they hear from other (with whom you hopefully have had more luck) the same story you “revealed” to them earlier, they may then believe. You will have planted a seed, as discussed before.
It is perhaps here necessary to justify taking so much trouble for something like a deceitful change to your persona. What gains can it bring, and what harm might it do? To answer the latter question: little. Even if your lie is believed by none, you are in no different a position than when you began. They will perhaps trust you less, but it should be easy enough to brush off your unsuccessful attempts at convincing people of that which seemed impossible as attempts at humor or the like - in short, to cover it with a more believable lie. And if your lie is believed, it will be potentially impossible to disprove. This is due, as mentioned, to the nature of the lie and the methods used.
A brief aside about the methods: it is best, if some of your smaller lies which compose the larger lie must contain other people that they be fictitious. If they are real, they can be contacted and will deny the story, making it their word against yours. If they are fictitious, it is only necessary to successfully evade requests to contact or meet the people. The reasons this is not possible or easy should be woven into the story of your lie, or invented via peripheral lies.
Returning to potential harm done by your lie: the final possibility is that the specific content of the lie will become a hindrance with certain groups in the future. If it becomes unbearable, a new large lie eliminating the former can be attempted, but no large lies should be attempted that one cannot tolerate forever being a known component of one’s personality. Just as true actions undertaken should not be undertaken if they may harm your reputation, thus neither should false alterations be made if this is too likely a possibility.
To answer the former question, what gain can be brought, the answer: any. The benefits of the lie being believed must be weighed as with anything against the cost in effort or risk. This methods of lying is only a tool. If it is not worth using, it needn’t be used.
Keeping in mind that human memory is fallible and changeable, it is heartening to know that this can be employed to your advantage. Just as in Orwell, history can be rewritten, but in this case, for your own benefit.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
20 Aug 11 UTC
Whoops sorry i forgot it doesnt recognize indentations - ew
Fasces349 (0 DX)
20 Aug 11 UTC
tl;dr
Fasces349 (0 DX)
20 Aug 11 UTC
I mean 2123 words and someone is expected to read that?
fiedler (1293 D)
21 Aug 11 UTC
I read most of it, and my mind is BLOWN ;P

What are you doing in senegal? CIA training camp?
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
21 Aug 11 UTC
For rambling's it's pretty in depth. Worth the 2 minutes it takes to read.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
21 Aug 11 UTC
@Thucy

And this is why you're a mod : )

@Fasces

Is that an actual word count? Probably took longer to open up a word processor than it did to read...
SuperSteve (894 D)
21 Aug 11 UTC
So you are some sort of psychotic liar that is starting to believe your lies? Am I the only one that got that impression? What did you do? Who were you? Why do you feel the need to semi-confess?

Regardless, that is some fascinating reading.
rayNimagi (375 D)
21 Aug 11 UTC
Pretty interesting...
pjmansfield99 (100 D)
21 Aug 11 UTC
+10 Thucy...
Thucydides (864 D(B))
21 Aug 11 UTC
I mean yes I have done what I described and I am aware of what I did. I don't regret it though, so I feel no need to confess.

And this little essay is intended to disprove the notion that believing your own lie is a problem, rather, an asset.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
21 Aug 11 UTC
"Is that an actual word count? Probably took longer to open up a word processor than it did to read..."
Opened microsoft word, copy and pasted and did word count.
2,123 words
9,893 characters (no spaces)
12,023 Characters (with spaces)
5 pages
157 lines
Thucydides (864 D(B))
21 Aug 11 UTC
Okay..... lol.

I'm not forcing you to read it friend
Fasces349 (0 DX)
21 Aug 11 UTC
I might, but it is very long for a single post.
Interesting story. I especially like the part about people's memories being malleable (including your own). That is definitely true, and I believe we should be more aware of it.

I wonder what situation you're talking about, exactly. Is this supposed to be about diplomacy? In that case, I think there are too few people to create all that group dynamics you discuss. Or is this meant to be used in real life? Or perhaps you see someone else employ this strategy you've outlined, and you want to expose them? What I mean to ask is: "what motivates you to write this story"?

Additionally, I'm curious what kind of lie you mean here. To be worth all the effort, the benefit has to be considerable. But if you say "I'm actually super-rich", or "My girlfriend is an insanely hot chick", or "I'm psychic", someone will come up and say "pics or didn't happen!", and you're screwed. So it also has to be difficult to verify.

You mention lying about personality traits, but it's not necessary to go through such great lengths to do that. In fact, we all lie on a daily basis about our personality. So often that we convince ourselves even. For example, I know almost nobody who would describe himself as an asshole. To be honest, I might know one or two who do, but for them it's merely a facade, and they're really nice guys.

So I don't understand what lie you want to get away with. Or is it the very act of changing the past that fascinates you?
Oh, and Fasces, just read it. The time spent on reading this text is time well spent.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
21 Aug 11 UTC
My example is in real life, I didnt really write this with diplomacy in mind but im sure it could be applied?

"So it also has to be difficult to verify." I agree, this is what I mean when I speak of the "nature of the lie" being vacuous and subjective.

And yes I mostly mean changing the past which is linked closely to personality traits.

Let me think of an example without outing my actual web of lies. Lol.

Say I'm a.... I dunno, actor, and I want people to think that I was always interested in acting - what I am saying is that you can do this retroactively.

And you can do it over and over for multiple things until you are actually thought of as someone you are not (on a larger scale than is normal for people to do).

It is especially useful in cases where you could probably not even if you wanted do or change about yourself the subject of you lie.

An example being - maybe you are gay and want people to think you are straight. This method would be very useful to such a person. I think that's a pretty good example actually.

Or maybe a politician who wants people to think he is "a family man." As long as you have warm bodies to be your props, you could use this technique to appear a "family man" without actually being one.

That type of thing, if you see what I mean.

Or, if you are a different kind of person, maybe in a gang, you can lie to your homies and say yeah I've totally stolen, or beaten my ex girlfriends... or whatever. Without actually having to do it if it's not in your nature.

Etc.

But if you are rich and wish to be thought poor, you could totally use this method to pull that off. Not the other way around - it's not some kind of master tool or secret weapon, just a technique that is pretty foolproof if used well.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
21 Aug 11 UTC
As to what motivated me to write it:

I have done what I described, I only have the understanding of the method because I learned it through trial and error. I thought about something to write the other night after the power went out and I said why not write about something I know a lot about - lying about my character?
Thucydides (864 D(B))
21 Aug 11 UTC
to those that read - any constructive criticisms on form or content?
☺ (1304 D)
21 Aug 11 UTC
Why would you want to lie?
"An example being - maybe you are gay and want people to think you are straight. This method would be very useful to such a person. I think that's a pretty good example actually."

I happened to think of the same example a couple of hours ago. It fits really well.
It fits uncannily well, I'd say. You're not gay, are you, Thucy?
As for constructive criticism: there is one psychological effect you could add to enhance the illusion. I son't know what it's called, but it's got to do with exceptions being more noted than patterns.

For example, suppose you are a greedy guy. Whenever one of your friends asks for money, you keep blowing them off. Whenever it's your turn to pay for rounds at the bar, you've suddenly got an urgent phone call to make, that sort of stuff. That's not a very nice reputation to have, and you might want to change it (without spending a lot of money, because that would defeat the point).

The trick is that you keep to your normal behaviour, but every once in a while, you do something very selfless, and genuinely kind. Like you tell your friend: "Hey, you mentioned you and your girlfriend are having some relational problems, and I heard you're not too full of cash either. Here's 100 bucks. Buy her a nice dinner. Maybe that'll help settle things between you."

Because such an actbreaks the pattern, it is noted. It's noted even more because you are always so nitpicky. And it won't cost you much, because your friend will most likely return the favor when he has the cash to do so.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
21 Aug 11 UTC
^ lol that's pretty good, i know what process you're referring to.

The gay example fits pretty well but not perfectly well; what I had in mind is something you "reveal" that was previously unknown - if you want people to think you're straight.

the technique would still work though, i think.

as to why you would want to lie - to enhance your life or cover a wrong... but im sure you knew that already smiley

someone like me who lies pathologically(ish) also does it just to do it... it spices things up
baumhaeuer (245 D)
22 Aug 11 UTC
I read the whole thing.
Fascinating.
You guys know what this means, right?
He's not from Texas, he doesn't speak French, he's not in Africa, and he's not in college!

Constructive criticism: The form is fine. I've written a number of little essays like this to myself. This layout shows a stream of thought (tho towards the end I think you were re-iterating yourself to some extant--the downside of doing a stream of thought type essay format).
You made no moral analysis of the phenomenon at all, which I was sort of expecting. However, it was a discussion of the mechanics of the method, not the ethics of it, hence, the lack of that dimension makes sense.
I found it very interesting, especially as the formula was described and laid in such a way that I could tell you had thought it out thoroughly. That's what happens with my essays that I mentioned.
spyman (424 D(G))
22 Aug 11 UTC
Is this a guide to being a conman - you know the kind like Catch me if you can, or I love Phillip Moris, The Talented Mr Ripley - types.

How many wives do you have Thucy? if indeed that is your real name... I am not so sure now.
Are you even in Africa? how do we know you're not really in Papua New Guinea and you just want us to think you are in Africa?
Planting seeds hey.... I can see that this lie of your started quite a long time ago. You are always going on about Africa but it was all part of your plan.
Great essay!! Like baumhaeuer, I applaud the free-writing style. I agree also that there were repeat paragraphs that weren't needed.

Out of curiosity, do you have any other works on the subject of lying?
Thucydides (864 D(B))
22 Aug 11 UTC
no this was the first foray... lol.

but its a big part of my life so you can bet i will write about it again

which things are repetitive, specifically?
Draugnar (0 DX)
22 Aug 11 UTC
I need to copy and paste it into word to finish reading it (break it into *paragraphs* with spacing between them) but I know of what you speak, Thucy. And I, too, am a pathological liar in many ways.

The exception rule that bas points out is also very true. And one of the best ways to start reinventing that part of yourself is when you start a new job or move to a new town. When you can reduce the number of people who know the original version, you have fewer to convince of the new version and the new people just accept the "new you" as if it were the you who always existed.
baumhaeuer (245 D)
23 Aug 11 UTC
This paragraph was redundant because you had described the self-convincing nature of the lie the paragraph immediately following.

"This is fortuitous not only because it may have been your original objective, but also because it assists greatly, perhaps more than anything else, in perpetuating the false construction you have created.
When your own lie is believed by you at least on some level, repeating it is no longer really lying, with all the difficulties that entails. Even the most skilled liar, a master of the art of facial expression, intonation, and timing will have an easier time repeating a truth. A lie you believe is for that purpose no different from a truth. Telling the lie becomes second-natured, as much as saying your name or age, and telling the real truth becomes as difficult as lying.
Another asset springing from the nature of this kind of lie - a large lie, that is, is the ease of maintaining a consistent story. This is easier because, since the lie is large and applied universally, it is told to all - it becomes biographical information. So the sheer fact of telling the set of lies to all permits an easier time in maintaining the facade. It also further bolsters its credibility, in two ways."


These paragraphs are redundant because you had already stated the gains of the lie: personal history-rewriting. The application is obvious.

"It is perhaps here necessary to justify taking so much trouble for something like a deceitful change to your persona. What gains can it bring, and what harm might it do? To answer the latter question: little. Even if your lie is believed by none, you are in no different a position than when you began. They will perhaps trust you less, but it should be easy enough to brush off your unsuccessful attempts at convincing people of that which seemed impossible as attempts at humor or the like - in short, to cover it with a more believable lie. And if your lie is believed, it will be potentially impossible to disprove. This is due, as mentioned, to the nature of the lie and the methods used.
A brief aside about the methods: it is best, if some of your smaller lies which compose the larger lie must contain other people that they be fictitious. If they are real, they can be contacted and will deny the story, making it their word against yours. If they are fictitious, it is only necessary to successfully evade requests to contact or meet the people. The reasons this is not possible or easy should be woven into the story of your lie, or invented via peripheral lies.
Returning to potential harm done by your lie: the final possibility is that the specific content of the lie will become a hindrance with certain groups in the future. If it becomes unbearable, a new large lie eliminating the former can be attempted, but no large lies should be attempted that one cannot tolerate forever being a known component of one’s personality. Just as true actions undertaken should not be undertaken if they may harm your reputation, thus neither should false alterations be made if this is too likely a possibility.
To answer the former question, what gain can be brought, the answer: any. The benefits of the lie being believed must be weighed as with anything against the cost in effort or risk. This methods of lying is only a tool. If it is not worth using, it needn’t be used. "
maltizok (787 D)
24 Aug 11 UTC
man i really missed these kind of things while i was away, i must say i am addicted to anything psychology/philosophy. i enjoy using stumbeupon.com to find random articles on both and this one, although not the same is related due to the fact that its all about lying and i thought it was great.

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1qGZYN/pjammer.livejournal.com/172181.html

although most people think that lying is a bad thing i do agree that it can be used constructively to better things in your own life, as long as ur good at it and do it correctly.

also about human memory being very malleable, i did this at the camp i worked at over the summer quite a few times with the staff. pick a small group of people to be "in" on your joke and then come up with a word and a scenario. then pick your subject and you mention the chosen word to your subject. when they are confused and start asking what your talking about say things like "wow i cant believe you dont remember that" then get the rest of the group to join you in saying things like that to your subject at different times. its quite hillarious when you convince them of an event or something they said that never actually happend and completely believe it. to this day theres about 4 people we did that to that believe the scenario we fed them.
centurion1 (1478 D)
24 Aug 11 UTC
im back gentlemen.
centurion1 (1478 D)
24 Aug 11 UTC
so join my game.
centurion1 (1478 D)
24 Aug 11 UTC
aw shit wrong thread, my apologies
Thucydides (864 D(B))
24 Aug 11 UTC
lmao. yeah maltizok i have heard of some thing some study, it goes like this:

a bunch of people, say 8 come in for a psychology study.

but actually only one of them is a real patient, the rest are in on it.

a director asks: "what is 4 times 2?"

each goes around, and says "6!" confidently.

the last guy to go is the real patient. part of the rules are that you can't pause.

a big portion of these people said 6 also, and then later said they forgot in the moment that it was wrong.


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King Atom (100 D)
22 Aug 11 UTC
Post Here if You Haven't Muted Me!
Exactly...
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King Atom (100 D)
23 Aug 11 UTC
EARTHQUAKE!
HUGE ASS MOTHERFUCKING EARTHQUAKE IN MY HOUSE!

What the FUCK is an earthquake doing six minutes long in VA? My lamp broke and everything!
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Emaline (0 DX)
23 Aug 11 UTC
New Game: Rocks in the Bucket
hey everyone! come join the game "Rocks in the Bucket"! http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=66156#gamePanel
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guak (3381 D)
23 Aug 11 UTC
Please Unpause
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=64742#gamePanel
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=61115#gamePanel

These two games have been paused since the server went down. Thanks.
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FirstApple (100 D(B))
22 Aug 11 UTC
Public notice - hurricane coming
I just wanted to let everyone know that I might be knocked offline this coming weekend. A Cat 3 hurricane is expected to pass through my area on Friday so if you don't see me either on the forum or my turns pass without my input, that's why and I apologize ahead of time.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
23 Aug 11 UTC
...and in other news...
The charges were dropped against DSK. Seems the maid's lies added up to her being an unreliable witness.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/24/nyregion/charges-against-strauss-kahn-dismissed.html
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diplomancer83 (123 D)
23 Aug 11 UTC
How to completely fuck a stalemate line (Or why is england retarded?)
Speaks for itself. I hereby give up on all press games. gameID=66114
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