YEs and it worked great

Here? Last one I saw failed miserably and cost my Turkey dearly because the betrayed Austria still tried to come after me until it was too late.

I haven't tried it but I saw it done successfully here:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=37253

link? I always try to pull this off when I'm Italy, and sometimes when I'm Austria too, but I've never found a taker.

I'd link but the game is still ongoing and anonymous. I'll wait.

heh yeah it did

I'll be waiting with baited breath, Draug. Was your's textbook version? The one coffeebean linked had Austria bouncing in Gal the first turn instead of taking Gal and Rum.

Since I set it up I can admit I'm part of it:

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=40640

I assume Draug is talking about the Rage game for Teh Fail

Textbook down to the treachery. Austria even did a good job of feigning "outrage" initially only to get stabbed and have real outrage.

Yep, that's it.

Oh wait, *this* game is one where I'm dead, so I can bring it up:

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=41126

Or wait, was it?

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=36906#gamePanel

Did it in 5 minute/phase game. It was an offer that Austria couldn't turn down after moving into Tri.

Yes, in that last game, it did not work so hot for me. But, it has worked before.

It was this one.

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@ strat: Austria getting no builds the first year in 41126 really messed that up. Should have supported Rum and had Italy S Alb to Gre...but then again, it doesn't look like Italy was intending to play it all the way out anyway.

And AndyBer was Austria.

So now we know Strat was Germany. Andy was Austria and I was Turkey.

I will admit it was an enjoyable game, even if my time in it was short.

I think my first game on this site as Turkey (and my first time playing Turkey in like 15 years), I was on the receiving end of a Key Lepanto. It boggled my mind, and was more or less no fun whatsoever.

The only Key Lepanto I've seen was in my very first game and was pulled off by a single person playing both Italy and Austria.

It doesn't seem things end well for both Italy and Austria when it works. None of the links to finished games above have both even surviving.

@Tolstory - Well, that's hardly a true Key Lepanto when someone is cheating and controlling both nations.

...but it should make it an effective one.

gameID=40640: I was Turkey and got completely owned by it. I was completely gobsmacked, I won't lie.

He said they pulled it off. :-)

the key lepanto, like the regular lepanto, is almost always sniffed out and can be defended by turkey.

Personally, if you want a crazy italy/aus opening, I'd suggest the 4 fleet or 4 army opening.

4 fleet == italy. Move ven-tri, austria allows it, then aus reclaims tri with a 2-on-1, italy disbands, and with that disband + tunis, builds 2 fleets.

4 army = aus. The opposite, basically. Tri-ven allowed by italy, italy pops, with pop + serbia, build 2 armies.

Italy with an extra fleet, or austria with an extra army (and the alliance between the two countries) can be huge early game...

That Key Lepanto Draugs and strat discussed probably would have worked better if it weren't for the fucking moron playing France that screwed it up and then kept Austria alive an extra year by convoying to Marseilles and then supporting the Austrian army in Piedmont (which was his last unit!) into Marseilles instead.

@ Draug; ava has only pulled it off face-to-face...

@ fortknox: I like both of those.

one of the games mentioned above just concluded in a draw that included austria and italy

@Draugnar @stratagos - the 41126 game isn't over yet ... but man that first Key year almost went differently ... nervous trigger finger

@Pres Eden -- ah yes, the support to the Austrian army instead of the French army was classic epic fail

40640 is over

I pulled it off in my first ever game online. I was Italy, and Austria proposed it to me -- I had to look it up! I think it ended up being a AEIG draw, with nobody willing to stab his ally. Sorry, no link -- it was on BOUNCED.

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one of my first games on this site.
ended as any key variation should ;)

@Rancher - nervous trigger finger, eh?

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=39527 is one that worked out OK - as AH I had ample opportunity to stab Italy for massive gain. I agreed with him early in the game that I would not, and I wanted to keep my word, if only to keep Italy guessing about my style since we play together fairly often.

@PE, I was pleasantly surprised to be installed in Marseilles, though of course by that time my defeat was a foregone conclusion.

AndyBer beat me to the post of 39527. It was, like he said, an OK result (grr to England...).

I really think that the Key Lepanto favours only Italy
Italy have nothing to lose with Key Lepanto, and could even stab Austria if they aren´t facing a Jugg or if he cut a deal with Russia.
Austria in the other end, have an army near all his centers and have to face both Turkey and Russia if there is a Jugg.
Hardly a balanced alliance.

I had a great game playing the key lepanto as Italy, and we played it true with no double cross. It can be a great opening, but the trouble is it is very well known and easy to counter if you are wise to it.

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