Ten minutes left for four people to join...

I encourage everyone to leave this game. Azogar, a well known and repeat offense Multi has joined, and I'm sure he'll be cheating in no time.

fear :) i have never used multiaccount, i simply win because i'm good.

if you fear to lose don't play with me ;)

Everyone knows you're a dirty cheat. Which is why I made this game.

gameID=21295

Exact same settings as above. Azogar isn't welcome.

I've left. Thanks for the heads up. I heard about this guy in another thread too.

Don't know how my gameID got miscopied. It's this one:

gameID=29053

password it so he cannot join- god i hate Multis

How would other people know the password? o.O

Ask for it and if you want them in your game then give it to them. If not then don't. Just an idea. He'll probably keep joining just to keep you from playing your game if you don't.

I vote if he joins, we all just team up and kill him.

bart, dont trust him. i'm not a multiaccount. i have been playing here for 3 years and i have never been banned. simply some disgusting player would have accused me when he have lost, like rlumley and others. but i dont care about them.

*sigh*

Guess I won't get to play a live game today, if you're going to keep joining Azo.

Cya'll. I'm out of here. Guess I'll watch a movie or something.

i have scared him :)

Read a book. It's more relaxing.

Yeah, that's it. Cause there aren't entire threads dedicated to you being a cheater. (http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=573797#573797, http://www.webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=565408#565408)

Azo, if you're not a multi, do you care to explain how before the presence of that thread, you had 1400 (Coincidentally, from soloing two 700 point games with six other people who only played in those two games and never played anything else, and also just happened to have the same created and last visited dates) more than you have right now?

i have never written there, you can write what you want, and i dont care about this, but a proof of what are you saying doesn't exist.

i call these "rosik threads".

Sorry - I got you confused with someone else I reported to the mods around the same time. That evidence was actually for someone else, not you. But there is equally compelling evidence for you, if you'd actually read that thread.

i only know that you are accusing me without proofs.

Lulz. That's it.

Go make more accounts noob.

Hmmm... Azogar, the one thread noted above clearly states that the mods took points away from you.

The moderator stated in thread http://www.webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=565408#565408

'Points won by Azogar in shared games with them will be removed'.

I'm not sure what kind of 'proof' you would accept, but that seems pretty good.

Dingle +1

Is this the same Azogar that insisted he would keep a 17-17 stalemate going in a 5 minute live game for the best part of a day unless I let him win? I've not seen any evidence of him being a multi first hand but I would certainly avoid playing an arse like that at all costs. Such tactics leave a nasty taste in the mouth and drain the fun out of a game.

It's a shame, really. He's not that bad a player when he wants to be.

that moderator is a bit stupid; he couldn't ban me because i had nothing to do with these accounts. i don't know because others account was banned, and i dont care about this; i also don't care about points because my objective is win ad have fun (and i am great doing this).

this thread is not a proof, here that stupid moderator has simply said: "oh well... i ban these accounts but i don't tell you why, i also remove points from him to let you be happy" why dont that moderator show something likes my ip (and their of course) numer? because they are different. because we are different players, but he didnt because he want you fell happy. that's what happened there.

Octabious, i play for win, not for draw, and i play all my legal moves. if you cant afford a long live game that's your trouble, not mine; and that fact have nothing to do with multiaccounters.

@Azogar
Whether such a move is legal or not is highly questionable, but not for either myself or you to decide. That you are willing to sacrifice a lot for the win is not in doubt, however when you sacrifice the enjoyment and spirit of the game you instantly make yourself a player to avoid. There is no reason for anyone to play against you.

if you say that you will not know anything about the spirit of diplomacy.

every move is legal unless the rules say different things, so decide if a move is legal or not is not questionable at all.

Well, I would say it goes clearly against rule nine. Also the third responsibility "Don't abuse the software to gain an edge in online games that isn't possible in a real-life" comes into play. It would be impossible to use such tactics in real life because the other player would hit them over the head with a cricket bat :p.

in real game there is a turn limit (usualy end of 1907). i have played lot of face-to-face tournaments.
a standard diplomacy game have not limit and nobody can force sameone to vote for a draw; so continue a game until a guy make an error or haven't the time to compile his moves is a well know strategy.

It is indeed a well known strategy. I believe Rimmer used it when playing the scutters at drafts in Red Dwarf. But it is a strategy that is not welcome here, and I do believe the Mods have on several occasions enforced a draw when there is a clear stalemate.

clear stalemate doesn't exist.
moreover here draw are bugged, because in real diplomacy when all players vote to draw the player with more centres is considered the winner.

that's funny :) you:

# Won: 5 ( 18% )
# Drawn: 14 ( 50% )

me:

# Won: 20 ( 48% )
# Drawn: 4 ( 10% )

:)

Then may I suggest you leave this site and go somewhere where your particular style is appreciated? As a parting shot I will remind you that in the particular game we are discussing the mods described your actions as "unfair and should not be allowed", and offered to restore the differnce of points. Still, as even this is unlikely to alter your stance I suggest we leave it there for the night.

How many of those 20 are from games with, totally coincidentally of course, have players who are now banned in?

i don't know who has been banned (this mean i cant count exatly). they said 10% of my total games has been played with them and 80% of these game i have won. i think 10% should be 5 games (4 won), but for me was normal games and i count it as usual.

Octavious, i may suggest you to learn to play or leave this site and go somewhere the global skills are lower.

hellalt needs to look out - Azogar is quickly becoming the new forum troll. Course hellalt hasn't been around much recently. :-(

How come noone hasn't banned Azogar yet?
He is a blatant multiaccounter.
I can see 4 different formal accusations in his profile.
Not to mention the dozens of emails mods will probably have received about him.
So what's the deal?
WHY ARE YOU NOT BANNING HIM?

ps: rlumley I got tired trolling. I got tired of diplomacy too.

Meh. That's too bad hellalt. Who doesn't love the community troll?

ban the cheats!!!!!

Anyone for a live game?
i want Azogar to beat me by cheating;)

moderators don't ban me because i'm not a multiaccount, trivial.

meta then?

Moderators ban all of your multi accounts instead, and are nice enough to let you keep your main one.

game won +1 :) now i'll go to bed.

This is hilarious. Azogar filled out a moderator report against me for my comments in this thread. Absolutely a riot.

I don't know if this guy is trying to be a troll, but if he is, he's damn good and hilarious. If not, it's just sad that there are people that function at such a low cognitive level.

if you are a metagamer, and you said it, you must be banned i think.

lol

I'd welcome a mod ban. It would mean I could create a new account. I want to change my username - I just wish I could keep my stats with me.

oh how funny! this is entertaining