Draugnar threatened to leave the forum but I'm not sure if he did or not...

I left for several days. I talked with the mods and we came to some understanding. I took a few days to cool off and now I'm back. I will endeavour not to lose my cool and will step away if I feel the rage building up inside ready to burst out with vile insinuations and insults. Not to say I won't insult or offend, but I'll try to make certain they are for fun and at least throw up a smiley when I call someone a dumbass and threaten to shove a rocket up their ass. :-)

lol @ Draugnar... I look forward to our many future argumens and debates... and to your many smiley faces headed my way =P

@ stratagos... yeah, so the site was updated. kinda cool.

@ stratagos, as Babak mentioned there was another new update that added anonymous games, public press games, and no press games. Also phase lengths as short as 5 minutes and as long as 10 days. And a different amount of time to sign up than the phase length.

Also, several of us have been playing over at http://dip.xbsd.kr/index.php for the variant maps that will hopefully make it back here eventually. And when that happens, the people playing there now will have a leg up on those new maps.

@stratagos - despite the valiant efforts of your sitter, you are still squarely in league B. and although you lost a few spots in teh ghost rating, you are still at the very respectable position 87 with a g-rating of 242.

My sitter did a pretty good job considering I was mugged in Fall '01 ;)

Damn in stratagos. This is bad news for me in the GFDT. Good thing I rocked our league, woohoo!

If anyone wants to play with someone as rusty as I, I've kicked off a game ;)

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=13448

That's a high bet for a WTA. Maybe not for you guys.

Oh, and don't forget, Draugnar called me a 'monster'. But that's ok, I told him that if he were my unborn fetus I'd abort him, so I think we're even :P

I think you're all caught up now, lol

For once Draugnar WASN'T overreacting though.

Thank you, DbJ.

I think you missed a spot there DJ. Keep kissing.

DJ and I have it out all the time. He thinks I'm a compulsive liar (and may be right, but only time will tell). The difference is, despite my maniacal (sorry Maniac) tendencies on the lunatic fringe of sanity, I respect him and his opinion. I may disagree and call him names, but in the end, I consider him someone I could be friends with in real life. To that end, you do not qualify... Hell, I don't even know if you qualify as human. Your ideas about right and wrong with regards to the subject being discussed are most definitely inhumane.

i've always had a good impression of Persephone... what makes you make such a wild claim Draugnar? point me to the thread.

stratagos... I'm considering it... but would prefer anonymous games... you up for doing an anonymous one instead?

http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=476375&page-thread=2#threadPager

Here is the quote...

A fetus becomes a human when it's umbilical cord is cut from its mother's body. Plain and simple. Until that point, it is attached to her, it is her body, and she chooses what to do with it.



She believes that, whenever the doctor arbitrarily snips the cord, determines when a baby is a human life.

The forum is heating up again these days... there was like a month or more of downtime, but honestly stratagos I'm not sure how long you were gone. Glad to have you back though!

Obviously that quote is taken out of context. There is a humaine and an inhumaine way to do things (not to mention legal). I was trying to make a point that what a woman does with HER body is HER business, not the sperm donor, and certainly not religious fanatics. There is obviously a point where it becomes inhumaine to inflict pain on a fetus, and as mentioned, it is when that fetus develops the ability to feel pain. I am certainly not suggesting it is ok to abort a fetus at full-term, you dingbats.
Just because my opinion doesn't coincide with yours doen't make it illegitamate, or me a monster. I'm actually a very nice person. You 2 on the other hand seem like woman-controlling freaks with a god complex, probably people I wouldn't associate with anyhow, so no worries on us ever becoming 'friends'.

LOL. Nice.

Persephone, please go back and read my comments in that thread and tell me if I seem like a 'woman controlling freak with a god complex'.

(And for what its worth, despite what Draugnar said about me, I can't stand him and was happy for a few days when he left the forum, and hoped it was permanent this time. I certainly have no desire to kiss his ass.)

cant wait to jump into the abortion thread. i'll do it right after class in an hour. see you there!!!!

And since Persephone wants to personally bash me in this thread, I'd like to post another quote from her on that thread.

"Paternal rights? You gave those up when you decided to impregnate a woman who would need to resort to abortion because SHE IS EITHER MENTALLY, PHYSICALLY OR EMOTIONALLY UNABLE TO HAVE A CHILD. Simple as that." (emphasis added)

So she fully supports a woman's right to abort a fetus at any time, but any woman who aborts a baby is weak.

Frankly, if you read that thread, I am pro-choice, but hate hypocrisy on both sides of the argument, which if you actually read the thread, I am more than happy to point out.

Wait, DingleberryJones, did you say Draugnar wasn't overreacting in that thread (threadID=472356)? Wow, that is rather funny.

The abortion thread is taking over the forum! Run for your lives!!!

seriously. why can't people just play diplomacy and be happy?

But don't you see, the abortion thread IS diplomacy, between two sides who are both convinced that the other one is about to stab them, and they're trying to stop the knife being thrust into their back:]

JEce,
I don't believe I did. And I certainly have no desire to reread that ridiculous thread. :P

But if I did, you must have a photographic memory.

i was avoiding the abortion thread because I already did too much political pontificating on the other threads this week... but it seems like I cant be kept away.

i cant blame persephone though... sometimes, when arguing with the dingbat crazy lunatic fringe, its impossible to keep one's cool. I dont mean to suggest Draugnar isa dingbat crazy lunatic fringe kinda guy... not at all... but just sayin' ;)

i'll see you guys there on that thread at some point ;)

what is it about draugnar that everyone keeps talking about.. i mean... he seems like a measured, normal guy... what's up?

"what is it about draugnar that everyone keeps talking about.. i mean... he seems like a measured, normal guy... what's up?"

Had I been drinking milk just then........

I feel like this thread has been hijacked

someone point Thucydides to the Pantalone thread... =P

LOL. No, I'm definitely a lunatic fringe kinda guy. I noticed that Persy-girl has changed her view to not desire cruel and unusual punishment on the fetus so abortion shouldn't be practiced after it feels pain. Well that is generally considered to be somewhere around 25 weeks of age. Long before they come through the birth canal or are removed surgically.

So what is it P-girl? Is it when the umbilical is cut? Or is ti when the fetus can feel pain? You really need to chose because these are mutually exclusive options.

Thucydides, see threadID=472356 :-)

"cruel and unusual punishment on the fetus"

Are abortions typically inflicted on the fetus as punishment? Seems sort of unlikely that a fetus would be able to form the mens rea to commit a crime - much less a capital crime.

Babak, I'm good with an anon game ;)

There is already a stand-alone thread for the abortion debate. Can we try to stop it filling up all the other threads too?

Acosmist - punishment isn't always for actual crimes. Has the child who refused to do something committed a crime? But yet they still get punished.

No, the punishment is for having the audacity to develop into a life without the mother's permission. But if you want to go there. Then you are torturing and abusing the child with a painful death.

@JECE - enough with the reference back to old news threads. The horse is dead and decaying already, you dipstick schlong. :-)

The "cruel and unusual punishment" clause is a specific thing. The words refer to something.

It's this kind of linguistic carelessness that gets people complaining about "free speech" when someone refuses to listen to them :/

In legal terms, yes, but it is also a phrase made up of four words that can have another meaning. "Ex post facto" is also a legal phrase but anything done after the fact can be said to have been done "ex post facto." The law doesn't own these phrases.

Of course, I've often wondered why the punishment has to be unusual AND cruel to have a legal bearing. I would think cruel punishment alone would be sufficient. The firing squad was not unusual in the military back in the day, but most would argue that having your body riddled with bullets is extremely painful and a slow way to do compared to a direct shot right between the eyes. Yes, I know not all the rifles on a firing squad had live rounds, but enough of them did.

It seems like a better course would be to accept objective definitions instead of letting everyone's subjective definition carry discourse - in fact, I think what I am hoping for is communication rather than nonsense.

Probably hopeless.

So we don't call it cruel and unusual punishment as it isn't really punishment and, at the moment, it isn't exactly unusual. would you not admit that cutting up a living organism that can feel pain or using a vacuum to tear it apart and suck it out is cruel? Is not knowingly inflicting pain cruel, plain and simple?

Draugnar: As I said brfore, don't be so selfish. The thread isn't only about you. Besides, I was merely complying with Babak's order.

Jamiet99uk: Ha ha, I was going to say that. Guys, there is another thread.

Acosmist: hopelessly hopeless :-)

The abortion thread: http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=476375