> Further your point is indicative of why we needed the apology. The
> division between Aboriginal and White Australia was clear. Only
> by acknowledging one of the causes of this division can we truly
> begin to address them.
Maybe addressing them is best done by taking good care specifically of the affected families, and tasteful memorials built. I don't see what good this apology is, and it "feels" somehow racist and condescending. I don't know how I'd feel if an apology for something that had deeply scarred my life was made an election issue. Maybe I'd be flattered, maybe disgusted. Maybe I'd wonder if all those Liberal votes were votes against an apology, or if my suffering had been used to win votes
> But regardless there is no point speculating.
My point was more that climate science hasn't been completely conclusive until quite recently, the IPCC 2007 report was the final nail in the coffin of climate change skepticism
> I think that claiming the ALP is taking us down a much more
> dangerous path is baseless.
We were moving towards a carbon free power source, replacing coal plants as they shut down, now we aren't. Any serious move towards another power source is a move away from coal
Remember the coal union is very powerful, and Howard has a track record of being prepared to battle unions for the good of the country. Rudd will never move from coal, he even tried to sell highly speculative clean coal technology as an election issue. He might as well have based his campaign on stopping climate change with nuclear fusion..
> Nevertheless the focus of ALP economic policy has always
> been the working and lower-middle class, whereas the Liberals
> were always focused on the upper class
Comparing each class with when Howard came to power and when he left I'd say based on results the Liberals focused on the health of the country. Our welfare system is one of the best in the world, arguing about ideology of a party seems like a dated notion these days, all mainstream parties have converged on about the same economic policy
> there was no exit plan that I am can think of at this time.
The exit plan was; leave as soon as Iraq can handle itself, maybe a bit earlier than the US so there's no one day for insurgents to rally around as the day the foreigners left.
I think that makes more sense than to leave within 6 months without condition. It doesn't matter much because the US could cover, and our contribution was never great, but if the US wasn't running the show it would've been seen as a retreat, not a withdrawal.
Again I guess it's just another gesture, so it's hard to get worked up either way
> If he did have one then I am certain it was released long after
> ALP policy. Which of course (According to your economic
> arguments) would be worth criticising.
A week isn't a long time, it isn't required that governments produce an exit plan, and there's no shadow general to set a competing one. Not much of an analogy here
> Not even an opt-in on the grounds that it restricts the access of
> children if their parents force it on them. But I don't think we
> disagree here.
Your original point was that the Liberal party laid the groundwork for the mandatory filter, I was saying that the ALP's mandatory filter is quite different, and on that point maybe we don't agree. It's also worth pointing out that the Liberal party's filter was free software for parents which could be used to filter, whereas the ALP wanted ISPs to put filtering software where homes connect to the internet. This has a lot of implications regarding control over how the filter is used, and makes the two policies very different.
No-one cares about $50 software being given away for free, a mandatory nationwide government controlled filter is a very different thing indeed
> But anyway, not worth fighting about.
Not fighting, but worth some criticism if it saddles future generations with unnecessary debt and a lack of public infrastructure that could have been built. Worth quite a bit of criticism in fact. Also I think you responded to my post before I edited in this part (should have posted it, my bad) so I'll include it here:
> I do think that the fact we took a different approach to getting a
> stimulus out than anyone else is worrying though, especially
> given that handing out cash will always be more popular than
> wise investment (I worked at Centrelink over the holidays,
> handing out the ESS package, and it was referred to by
> everyone as the "Rudd money")
It's certainly possible a cash stimulus was chosen, despite meaning more debt for the future, as a way to boost ratings, instead of a more sensible public infrastructure option.
Rudd has a track record of choosing the popular worse option, if this is another example of that then I think that /is/ something worth fighting over. We can't know his motives unfortunately, but I'm sure he'll have been presented with alternative packages
> Actually I'm becoming more and more comfortable with Nuclear
> Power so you wouldn't have to deal with that. I would just prefer
> we had another source of power and I do believe we should be
> pursuing other sources, such as Geothermal and Tidal.
Really? I wonder how you can support the Green party then? They'd rather wait until 2100 for solar power than risk nuclear waste buried securely in their 8billion square kilometer "backyard".
Also I should note Australia's aridness, stability and large crust size are great reasons for pursuing nuclear power at full throttle, but don't make for good geothermal prices. I'm open for any research into alternative power though, and that makes me only more annoyed Rudd didn't do like Obama and use some of the stimulus to fund scientific research