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bockman (510 D)
22 Jul 09 UTC
Bug on Global board
In game 11921, I am playing Turkey and voted for a draw by entering "/draw" in the global box -- without the quotes. The vote was not acknowledged, however, and it doesn't seem to have registered. There is only one other player remaining in the game and he voted for a draw this morning (7:20am ET) -- presumably before the upgrade.
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Chalks (488 D)
22 Jul 09 UTC
In Autumn...
If you have X units, and X SCs, and you are forced to retreat one of those units... instead of retreating you disband that unit leaving you with X-1 units... do you get to build a new unit that turn?
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Xapi (194 D)
22 Jul 09 UTC
Webdiplomacy server offline
"0.9 database data being loaded, thanks for your patience."

Can anyone explain a bit further?
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djbent (2572 D(S))
22 Jul 09 UTC
make a donation to the site
no matter how you feel about the new look, it's taken a tremendous amount of work. everyone should donate! i found the paypal donate button under
Help, under the FAQ section. is there a more direct link?
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Knights Dawn (100 D)
22 Jul 09 UTC
???
Error message I got
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amonkeyperson (100 D)
22 Jul 09 UTC
Star?
What does it mean when there is a star before the name of a game.
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Knights Dawn (100 D)
21 Jul 09 UTC
Duestch Diplomacy
Wie viele Deutschland Diplomatie Spieler haben wir, die es gibt?
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Xapi (194 D)
22 Jul 09 UTC
Small problem in private messages
It inserts this: \\\ before each of ' or ".
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
22 Jul 09 UTC
Got a really ugly error when submitting moves
Here is it
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denis (864 D)
22 Jul 09 UTC
SirLoseAlot I must talk to you i tempoaily have acsess to internet (private)
everything seams to be fine accept in monkey who is plying for me
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Ursa (1617 D)
22 Jul 09 UTC
Unpause request
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11492
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Jann (558 D)
19 Jul 09 UTC
What was your reason?
What was your reason to start playing Diplomacy? Not just PhPDip,but the board game too. Is there someone who got you into it,or was it something you discovered at chess club? (jk)
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ag7433 (927 D(S))
22 Jul 09 UTC
Is this possible?
If, Italy A in TRI; Turk F in APU; AH F in ADR

APU - TRI; TRI - APU via convoy; ADR convoy TRI - APU
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Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Jul 09 UTC
An official declaration of a plan to metagame for the rest of my life.
I vow to never join another game Maniac is in. and should he join a game after me and I have to play him, I vow to hunt him down and kill him no matter the cost.
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airborne (154 D)
20 Jul 09 UTC
Which is more vital?
Overall what unit is more useful an army or a fleet?
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StevenC. (1047 D(B))
20 Jul 09 UTC
Which political party do you follow?
Me, personally, I am an independent. But to all of you out there do tell.
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CountArach (587 D)
21 Jul 09 UTC
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"Okay, but to me it sounded too much like an apology from white Australians to Indigenous Australians, and I think was made vague to try and appease those who wanted an apology for all. I think Rudd shouldn't apologize for any mistakes Howard made, so why should he apologize for mistakes made by his predecessor decades ago?"

Because the predecessors took children from their families and those children and families are still suffering from it.

Further your point is indicative of why we needed the apology. The division between Aboriginal and White Australia was clear. Only by acknowledging one of the causes of this division can we truly begin to address them.
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"It would have been a nice symbolic gesture for Howard to make, and I'm sure he would have done it at some point, but earlier there was real doubt in climate science and Australia is a coal-run nation. The fact is Howard was paving the way for nuclear power, it's a tough pill for the public to swallow but it's the only realistic way we can start combatting climate change with more than shallow gestures. The ALP, for all its initiatives and statements and conferences, is taking us down a path which will have a much bigger impact on the climate. Kyoto is meaningless if you don't have the initiative to make a real push for real alternatives"

If Howard was ever going to ratify Kyoto he would have done so before the last election. That would have given him a vote at the meaningless conference that occurred straight afterwards. Further both Costello and Turnbull raised the ratification with him at various times (At least Turnbull did and I know Costello supported ratification). So I wouldn't claim that he would eventually have done it. But regardless there is no point speculating.

I think that claiming the ALP is taking us down a much more dangerous path is baseless. Doing very little is still doing more than nothing. I don't doubt Howard would have pursued Nuclear, but at the same time I don't think he ever would have distanced himself from Coal. By the same token I don't think the ALP will distance themselves willingly either.
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"That may be true historically (and it's why Howard had such a massive mess to deal with when he first came to power), but recently they've been about the same; specifically the tax plan which they came out with was released just after the Liberals, and was practically the same thing."
The ALP were trying to win an election and I am not surprised they copied some aspects of Liberal policy. Nevertheless the focus of ALP economic policy has always been the working and lower-middle class, whereas the Liberals were always focused on the upper class (For example through the attacks on Medicare and the huge funding for Private schools).
"As for how they handled the crisis the Liberals have agreed a large stimulus was needed. Public spending as a response to a recession is economics 101, you're mad if you think Costello wouldn't have done the same (but perhaps more responsibly, making it more of an investment than a cash handout, like they have in the US and England)."
Costello always gave out money at budget time, as with Seniors. I imagine he would have used tax cuts in excess of what the ALP has done and would not have deficit-spent as much the ALP. Of course this is all speculation and again, rather pointless.
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"Of course.. It was a huge blunder sending them in and all leaders involved want them out the moment Iraq can handle by itself. Don't think for a second Rudd had anything to do with the fact that Iraq is finally stabilizing and everyone can finally withdraw their troops."

Of course Rudd didn't have anything to do with it, that was the job of the Iraqis. Howard would have stayed in there as long as the US did and there was no exit plan that I am can think of at this time. If he did have one then I am certain it was released long after ALP policy. Which of course (According to your economic arguments) would be worth criticising.
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"Opt-in filtering is very different from opt-out (which is what the ALP outlined), and opt-out if very different from mandatory (which they changed it to after getting in).
The Liberals had a policy of educating children about the dangers of the internet, after some kid demonstrated to the media how easy the optional filters were to work around, rather than try to somehow block out everything bad in the entire world."
I know full well the problems with Mandatory filtering and would rather we have completely unfiltered internet. Not even an opt-in on the grounds that it restricts the access of children if their parents force it on them. But I don't think we disagree here.
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"This is a shaky argument. I could say if it was done differently it would be much better, and we could argue as long as we wanted about it. I do think that the fact we took a different approach to getting a stimulus out than anyone else is worrying though, but you could argue it's more appropriate or we have better economists here, so I won't follow this argument"

Again, I don't think we disagree. I think the cash handouts worked, but would rather they did more things like the home insulation, where there are long-term benefits and short-term jobs. But anyway, not worth fighting about.
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"Oh and CountArch /please/ don't respond with unproven desalinization methods powered by sheep crap or something. I can just feel a big bunch of Green-Party-leaflet Hulk-inspired anti-nuclear pseudo-science is about to get dumped in the thread"

Actually I'm becoming more and more comfortable with Nuclear Power so you wouldn't have to deal with that. I would just prefer we had another source of power and I do believe we should be pursuing other sources, such as Geothermal and Tidal.
flashman (2274 D(G))
21 Jul 09 UTC
I still want my money back from the ALF! Where is hellalt when you need him? He started this ball rolling then went away.
Jamiet99uk (873 D)
21 Jul 09 UTC
I'm not going to say anything about Australian politics as I don't know much about it.

I live in the UK, and I'm a Communist.
kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
21 Jul 09 UTC
> Further your point is indicative of why we needed the apology. The
> division between Aboriginal and White Australia was clear. Only
> by acknowledging one of the causes of this division can we truly
> begin to address them.
Maybe addressing them is best done by taking good care specifically of the affected families, and tasteful memorials built. I don't see what good this apology is, and it "feels" somehow racist and condescending. I don't know how I'd feel if an apology for something that had deeply scarred my life was made an election issue. Maybe I'd be flattered, maybe disgusted. Maybe I'd wonder if all those Liberal votes were votes against an apology, or if my suffering had been used to win votes

> But regardless there is no point speculating.
My point was more that climate science hasn't been completely conclusive until quite recently, the IPCC 2007 report was the final nail in the coffin of climate change skepticism

> I think that claiming the ALP is taking us down a much more
> dangerous path is baseless.
We were moving towards a carbon free power source, replacing coal plants as they shut down, now we aren't. Any serious move towards another power source is a move away from coal
Remember the coal union is very powerful, and Howard has a track record of being prepared to battle unions for the good of the country. Rudd will never move from coal, he even tried to sell highly speculative clean coal technology as an election issue. He might as well have based his campaign on stopping climate change with nuclear fusion..

> Nevertheless the focus of ALP economic policy has always
> been the working and lower-middle class, whereas the Liberals
> were always focused on the upper class
Comparing each class with when Howard came to power and when he left I'd say based on results the Liberals focused on the health of the country. Our welfare system is one of the best in the world, arguing about ideology of a party seems like a dated notion these days, all mainstream parties have converged on about the same economic policy

> there was no exit plan that I am can think of at this time.
The exit plan was; leave as soon as Iraq can handle itself, maybe a bit earlier than the US so there's no one day for insurgents to rally around as the day the foreigners left.
I think that makes more sense than to leave within 6 months without condition. It doesn't matter much because the US could cover, and our contribution was never great, but if the US wasn't running the show it would've been seen as a retreat, not a withdrawal.
Again I guess it's just another gesture, so it's hard to get worked up either way

> If he did have one then I am certain it was released long after
> ALP policy. Which of course (According to your economic
> arguments) would be worth criticising.
A week isn't a long time, it isn't required that governments produce an exit plan, and there's no shadow general to set a competing one. Not much of an analogy here

> Not even an opt-in on the grounds that it restricts the access of
> children if their parents force it on them. But I don't think we
> disagree here.
Your original point was that the Liberal party laid the groundwork for the mandatory filter, I was saying that the ALP's mandatory filter is quite different, and on that point maybe we don't agree. It's also worth pointing out that the Liberal party's filter was free software for parents which could be used to filter, whereas the ALP wanted ISPs to put filtering software where homes connect to the internet. This has a lot of implications regarding control over how the filter is used, and makes the two policies very different.
No-one cares about $50 software being given away for free, a mandatory nationwide government controlled filter is a very different thing indeed

> But anyway, not worth fighting about.
Not fighting, but worth some criticism if it saddles future generations with unnecessary debt and a lack of public infrastructure that could have been built. Worth quite a bit of criticism in fact. Also I think you responded to my post before I edited in this part (should have posted it, my bad) so I'll include it here:
> I do think that the fact we took a different approach to getting a
> stimulus out than anyone else is worrying though, especially
> given that handing out cash will always be more popular than
> wise investment (I worked at Centrelink over the holidays,
> handing out the ESS package, and it was referred to by
> everyone as the "Rudd money")
It's certainly possible a cash stimulus was chosen, despite meaning more debt for the future, as a way to boost ratings, instead of a more sensible public infrastructure option.
Rudd has a track record of choosing the popular worse option, if this is another example of that then I think that /is/ something worth fighting over. We can't know his motives unfortunately, but I'm sure he'll have been presented with alternative packages

> Actually I'm becoming more and more comfortable with Nuclear
> Power so you wouldn't have to deal with that. I would just prefer
> we had another source of power and I do believe we should be
> pursuing other sources, such as Geothermal and Tidal.
Really? I wonder how you can support the Green party then? They'd rather wait until 2100 for solar power than risk nuclear waste buried securely in their 8billion square kilometer "backyard".

Also I should note Australia's aridness, stability and large crust size are great reasons for pursuing nuclear power at full throttle, but don't make for good geothermal prices. I'm open for any research into alternative power though, and that makes me only more annoyed Rudd didn't do like Obama and use some of the stimulus to fund scientific research
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Jul 09 UTC
Reagan-ite all the way! Although you have to admire a man who gets some strange in the Oval Office and figures out a way to deceive Congress without actually lying... They defined sex and he didn't have it based on their definition.
Hamilton (137 D)
22 Jul 09 UTC
How would Australia dispose of nuclear waste?
Hamilton (137 D)
22 Jul 09 UTC
Anyway the term liberal, which had a unified meaning in the 19th century(humanist, anti-hierarchical) began to have multiple meanings when the movement splintered over various differences. Religious liberals like the Friends and the Anabaptists because offended by secular liberals, left liberals fought with right liberals, etc. In the UK, liberal is taken to mean the positions espoused by the LibDems, who are analogous to the fiscally conservative democrats or Rockefeller republicans of the US. In the US, liberal is taken to mean hippies.


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Alderian (2425 D(S))
20 Jul 09 UTC
Dr Horrible
II'm a big fan of Niel Patrick Harris (How I Met Your Mother and Doogie Howser, M.D."), Nathan Fillion (FireFly and other stuff), and Joss Whedon (Dollhouse, Angel, Firefly, Buffy the Vampire Slayer) and I just came accross this.

It is Awesome. Even Legen....wait for it...
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jasoncollins (186 D)
21 Jul 09 UTC
To po8crg
Hey there - can you send me an email? :) I want to get in touch.
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StevenC. (1047 D(B))
19 Jul 09 UTC
Hola, from the new military government in Honduras.
Me di cuenta que ninguno de ustedes estan poniendo mensajes en espanol. Me no speeaky englee.
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JECE (1248 D)
21 Jul 09 UTC
Taking over countries should be encouraged!
When you take over a country, there is no indication, to an outside observer, that a country was taken over. That is to say, if you take over a country with 1 supply center at the end of a game, you are the only person recorded as having played that game.
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Glorious93 (901 D)
21 Jul 09 UTC
Sitter needed
Anybody willing to sit my games from this Friday (24th) onward? I'll be away for about three weeks, and only have two active games, one of which is fairly near completion. My email is in my profile - thanks in advance :)
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Jacob (2466 D)
20 Jul 09 UTC
funny variants
what's the attraction?
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iMurk789 (100 D)
20 Jul 09 UTC
music
i liked those music threads we had a little bit ago, post some of your favorite bands/artists/songs/albums or whatever.
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Bitemenow10 (100 D)
21 Jul 09 UTC
South Florida Peeps represent
I am looking for native diplomacy players as well as paintball players for a team I am starting (already have 4 members) message me if interested
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Biddis (364 D)
21 Jul 09 UTC
Would anyone be able to sit a game for me for the weekend?
Only 1 game from Thurs-Mon, looks like the guys in game aren't going to do a pause for me.
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fortknox (2059 D)
21 Jul 09 UTC
Ghost Rating Game 5 Recruiting!
Current players are:
FortKnox, Stripy, Centurian, wooooo, Friendly Sword, and Salmaneser

Unfortunately Rait dropped out, so we need someone with a high ghost rating to jump in!
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DonXavier (1341 D)
17 Jul 09 UTC
Texas diplomacy group
there is a group that exists for texas diplomacy players... see inside...
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kestasjk (64 DMod(P))
17 Jul 09 UTC
"Depth charging"
@El_Perro_Alto: Please don't do this. Cleaning it up just takes a copy&paste of a query, but until it's cleared up it wastes the time of people reading the forums, because they can't see what posts are actually updated.

The next version has code to prevent "depth charging", but I'd rather not spend time writing anti-dumbass code so use some common sense
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amonkeyperson (100 D)
19 Jul 09 UTC
Why are idiots and bigots always so assured of themselves, but wiser people are always brimming with
This question came up to my great uncle and me while we were verbally feuding with each other. We got a few half decent answers to it. But it was too late to actually really think about it. And I knew that this would be a badass question to put up in the forum.
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Vandyrik (100 D)
21 Jul 09 UTC
New Game, 12-Hr. Phases
I've started a new game, The Taking of Europe, with 12-hour long phases that will start in 12 hours or as soon as 12 people join, if anyone is interested.
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