Couldn't that work to your advantage? If other players looked at your record and thought lightly of you because of it, they could drastically underestimate you and suffer the consequeces, yes?

In the next version civil disorders are tracked after takeovers, but they aren't reported yet. So it's getting there

How long will that take?

What may be needed is that replacement players can only gain points by taking over a country and not lose points. That would encourage people to take over positions and protect the more than rare occurrence of someone accidentally taking a country.

I'd have double the money if that went through Edi... The times I have toggled the wrong button.

This assumes we're talking about the typical on the ropes player with 1/2 units, but there are also players with 3/4 Spring 1901 NMRs, or the players who just have to leave mid-game, and so splitting the system to be free sometimes might be confusing, and the criteria for what makes a country on the ropes isn't so easy to define

I think the number of points for a typical 1/2 unit takeover is small enough that they're not what might limit people. I can understand that people wouldn't want it to affect their lost games stats though, and that's coming.

@JECE: When? It'll be a few mini versions down the line, probably some time before 1.0, along with a bunch of other stuff I'd like to addnow but don't have time to, no idea when though

Yes, I have little problem with the small bets. I only have a problem with the player who really lost the game disapearing from all lists and individual player stats.

well I'm pretty sure that it shows up on the player who left's record as a "left game". so thats sort of a black mark cause it shows that you aren't a very reliable player.

To Ukla: That is an interesting way to look at it, but it doesn't make sense that old players cannot be identified. Frankly, the fixed stats, to me, would be nice, but it's definitely not right for the archives to give credit only to the last player. I think the point is to get more players to take over the microstates that crowd the joinable games. Funny point, though!

I bet there's a "sub-cult" of replacement player(s) who get into taking on countries in dificulties, it's jumping in the deep end of the pool. It can be fun when other players have just played a spring move thinking OK i can open up a gap on that "safe" side as those pieces are in civil disorder and attack on another front, and then there's a new player for the fall move and the dynamics suddenly change again. Plus there are alliances & enemies already made so it's a "higher risk" mystery bag, compared to a normal start.

Yeah but compared to the number of complete n00bs who jump into a CD without having the slightest idea what they're doing, that sub-cult is nearly nonexistent. In one of my games the dregs of Turkey have changed hands four or five times already. One guy even entered TWO phases of orders! Special!

I've also noticed that in the majority of cases, CD take overs have a vastly inflated buy-in. So contrary to what Kestas was saying, I do think the points might matter, (at least to someone like me who doesn't have alot to throw away).

At best, CDs are nominally priced for their SCs/armies, but are still overvalued because the new player is behind in diplomacy when they join and neighbors have already begun planning their strategies around dividing up the CD country.

At worst (and this seems quite common), the number of SCs is pointedly incorrect because at the end of an Autumn or Spring move phase, the abandoned nation has lost several SCs, lost units which disbanded because no one was there to order the retreat, and so any take-over at that point includes a purchase price for SCs and units which are already lost.

I don't know of any great solutions for this problem.. but it is an unfortunate consequence of the system.

To: jman777
I wouldn't know, but it doesn't show up on the actual archived game.

To: Mr Penguin
Yes, they often are inflated, but if during a Spring phase enemy armies are sitting on top of some of "your "supply centers, the price seems to be significantly less. Sometimes for 0 points!