Each game is supposed to be played individually

oh ok, so theres no running league or list or something (i have to admit i have no idea how leagues work)

Well, I'm not in them, but I know Ghost has said on a number of occasions he wants each game to be played independently, without taking into account other results.

Ah, not quite true. I'm not asking you to not look at the positions in the leagues, but cross-gaming isn't allowed.

http://phpdiplomacy.tournaments.googlepages.com/leaguesspring2009%3Aleagued2

Thank you, i wasn't planning on cross-gaming just wanted to know whether draw, win or survive was important in the game.

Its WTA with SC count as the tie break

My understanding is that it's allowed to decide not to ally with someone because he's ahead of you in the league, or to stab to increase your league position, but it's NOT allowed to say "I'll support your move here only if you support this move in the other game."

^ Correct

As was pointed out to me, you may even want to support someone that is in the lead in the league. Better they get extra points than someone other than you comes in second if you are at a league level where 2 or more move up which is true of all but the B leagues I believe.

Draws divide the points (12 per game) towards the league win by the number of players in the draw, so getting in a draw is better than a survive as the draw will get you points. But in the case of ties, total SCs then come into play.

Ghostie -

in the C level league games... its only top player moves up and 7th place relegated right?

Look in this thread.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/index.php?viewthread=450486#450486

Ghost says:
"premiere demotes three to league A
league A promotes three to premiere, demotes 3 to B1 and B2
B1 and B2 each send the top player to A, as well as the better of the two runner up players; 3 each are demoted from B1 and B2 to C level
C1, 2, and 3 each promote the top two players; 3 players are demoted from each one to D level
D1, 2, 3, and 4 promote top two players from each, plus the top 3-ranked player; presumably no one is demoted from D, unless they are booted from the tournament for CD or something."

But notes that dropouts will affect that some as well. But more than just the single top and bottom player will move.

You can also find that information here:

http://phpdiplomacy.tournaments.googlepages.com/thephpleague

thx alderian... should have looked myself. but that helped.

depth charge

ooooh you gonna get demoted babak ;)

probably... though we've had so many CDs and NMR's in my league that I'm a bit annoyed to be honest... dunno if I want to keep playing if that's the standard...

yeah i feel you, but i think it will get better from here. the C and D levels were people who had not previously played in the leagues, whereas premiere, A and B levels were all people who played in the first go round. i understand from TGM that there have been almost no CD/NMR issues in those levels.

the problem in our league (i think, but maybe this isn't it) that has led to many NMRs is two fold. one aspect is that folks are not used to the quick phases (25h) - so even though it was advertised as such, some of them will likely drop out after this season b/c of that - the reality of it hit them when they were actually playing. the other issue was really different internet use patterns, so some people were only getting on once or twice during the phase, and then i'm waiting for their response to my messages, so i don't put orders in, and then.... NMR. which i guess is basically linked to the first issue.

anyway it certainly is interesting and i'm looking forward to the next round b/c i think a lot of this will get better.

@Fig, you keep syaing that, but it isn't true. There is to be know cross-game or outside influence metagaming, but we are allowed to keep in mind the other players' positions and act accordingly.

Ignore that last one folks... Too much caffiene and stressing over League D1 this morning.

@ djbent:

Premier, A league and both B's have the same players that started them in them.

A player in A dropped out hours before the first game started, but he was replaced from the start.

@DJB, I put in a set of "if I don't hear jack" orders and then tweak them as the negotiations go along. That way I don't wind up with a bunch of holds.

that's a good practice which i am trying to get into the habit of doing. but then i worry i'll forget to change them back. anyway, things have improved and we aren't having many NMRs anymore. (Though all the games are paused this week so that helps lol)

That's how I use finalizing. I try very hard to put in a set of default orders right away, then tweak. If I see the tab with the 'x', I know I'm not 100% happy with my orders. When I decide to go with it, I finalize to get rid of the tab.

Yeah, I totally do that too. It has caused some problems though.

Yeah, dj, you know better than I what happens when I procrastinate orders while waiting to hear responses to press. :S

writing 'prelim' orders is the way to go... it is the internet after all, it might go down in your house or you might run late getting home or whatever...

so always put in a set of "preliminary" orders... or 'prelim' orders... this was a big deal in the PBEM community... and some GMs would require prelim orders from all the players to avoid NMRs... its a good policy.