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Babak (26982 D(B))
08 Feb 09 UTC
fast game anyone? 15 hr deadlines - only 10 pts ppsc - new players welcome
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8599

"I dont know what to call this game"
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Babak (26982 D(B))
02 Feb 09 UTC
Are you interested in a "Real Time" game?
we tried to get one going today without success... I'm hoping that if we plan well ahead, we can get 7 confirmations (with a few back-ups) for next Saturday or next Sunday. indicate your interest below.
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Babak (26982 D(B))
08 Feb 09 UTC
18 hr deadlines - 30 points - ppsc
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8612

"Let loose the dogs of war"
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thejoeman (100 D)
05 Feb 09 UTC
For less experianced players
I'm wondering if there are any other players who haven't been playing diplomacy for very long but are still intrested in trying a variant game. If so, please post and say what variant you would be interested in. I will try to start that game.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Feb 09 UTC
Why is it no one here seems to understand what Gunoat and No Press mean...
Are the players here that ignorant of postal play and the judges that they don't know the standard terms used for decades now? I even had one person ask me what A-H was.

We really need a section of the FAQ that covers the standard terms used in the hobby.
Babak (26982 D(B))
06 Feb 09 UTC
you think thats bad... there are so many players who dont even know what "diplomacy" means...

da-dam-ching!

seriously - why would you join a game of diplomacy - then not spit out even a hello for the entire game?? sheesh.
paulg (358 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
What does A-H mean?
paulg (358 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
And I've been playing online since 2002. Post belongs to the last century. Even email's getting a bit dated.
Babak (26982 D(B))
06 Feb 09 UTC
Austria Hungry
flashman (2274 D(G))
06 Feb 09 UTC
I've been playing since 1901...
figlesquidge (2131 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
I came in for a CD in 2006 :(

The FAQ could do with some updating yes, but the closest we got was a list of points in the dev forum somewhere - have a look at that thread and perhaps you can help out
RedHanded (100 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
I still play by post...
very very slowly...
Churchill (2280 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
Good idea
Pantalone (2059 D(S))
06 Feb 09 UTC
Well, Draugnar, what DOES "Gunoat" mean....? Or are you a bit stubby-fingered and did you mean "Gunboat"? And if you want to educate us great unwashed masses, why do you just pose the question and not provide all of us ignoramuses with the scientifically sound answers, while you're at it...?
I for one could benefit from your explanantion of what precisely "No Press" might mean here, plus for that matter the EXACT definition of Civil Disorder, about which I have wondered for some time now. Could you help me to that one, too, please?
TheWizard (5364 D(S))
06 Feb 09 UTC
Could anyone tell me what the policy on drawing in a gunboat game on this site is? Technically, the /draw command is communication, as it signals your intentions... so what do people do here? I would be very grateful for a reply...
sinned (100 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
and which bloody variant of showboat are we playing...and whats WTA ?...
alamothe (3367 D(B))
06 Feb 09 UTC
what is a Gunboat?
figlesquidge (2131 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
Civil Disorder = CD = what happens when someone doesn't enter orders for two phases where they had some, one phase if their down to their last unit/SC. If in CD a player can be taken over, and their moves are automagically finalized as all-holds.

Gunboat - Here it's taken to mean No communication, but in other locations it means no communication&anonymous players

/Draw in Gunboat - Interesting question. I've not done it myself, but I would say something like you can't draw until no-one has moved for two turns in a row. That's just my suggestion though - others may have better idea's

WTA - winner takes all - the winning player gets all the points
PPSC - Points Per Supply Center - points depend on the number of SCs you have.

Hope that helps.
figlesquidge (2131 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
:o I said 'center' sorry! CENTRE
alamothe (3367 D(B))
06 Feb 09 UTC
Pantalone... where did you get such an interesting name??
Pantalone (2059 D(S))
06 Feb 09 UTC
Commedia dell' Arte - Pantalone is one of the stock characters in this medieval Italian street theatre - he's the old man, in a funny red outfit, looks like longjohns, who (in vain) still tries to woo young girls.
See also on Wikipedia....
I chose this character as I feel lots of kinship to him...
RedHanded (100 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
I've previously pbem-d a variant game which we referred to as 'gunboat', where communication was allowed but the country allocations were not revealed by the GM (obviously you were told which country you represented, but not anybody else). Made for a very complicated game, with lots of communication and just as many lies...
trim101 (363 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
its funny draugnar is saying all this as i belive in my gunboat game him and austria and talking to each other
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Feb 09 UTC
No, trim, we aren't. I can't say more than that as it would be tantamount to some level of diplomacy.
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Feb 09 UTC
Oh, and I'm sure Kestas can confirm that A-H and Turkey haven't said a word to each other.
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Feb 09 UTC
And for those wondering, A-H is Austria-Hungary, the REAL name of the nation in Diplomacy. As far as WTA, PPSC, and CD, those are unique to this site and not from the game it any of it's previous incarnations. A dropped position is just that in the Judges/PBeM, dropped, not in Civil Disorder.
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Feb 09 UTC
"in any of its previous" My typing sucks of late.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
06 Feb 09 UTC
Civil Disorder is a term used in the Rule book to describe a player that leaves in the middle of the game, so what do you mean by that previous statement?
po8crg (969 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
@RedHanded, that's Black Press.
po8crg (969 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
Quick explanation:
Press: communications other than orders
Private Press: A communication from one player to another
Partial Press: A communication that is from one player to more than one other, but not everyone; guaranteed by the GM to be the same (not available in php)
Public Press: A communication from one player to all other players
White Press: All press is identified as being from a player
Grey Press: Where press is identified as being from a player, it is, but players can make anonymous statements as well (not available in php)
Black Press: All press is anonymous. Usually all press is public too. (not available in php)
Gunboat: Players are not identified, so no-one knows until after the game who is playing which country, usually nopress but you can play gunboat/blackpress. (not available in php)
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Feb 09 UTC
@abgemacht - I guess I have t reread my rules. I had never noticed it's use before there. I know in Judge play, the position is called "abandoned." Sorry for that. My mistake.
@Trim101 - I would like to confirm that Draugar and I are NOT communicating in any way... except in the only way that communication is valid in Gunboat - by the orders that are entered. i.e. By predicting what moves the other might make and supporting those moves.

If you get it right you *might* gain an ally (or you might not - he might think "Thanks... sucker!" and then crush you).

If you get it wrong you a) look like an idiot, b) waste a move, c) annoy the other players near you who you didn't support or did attack, d) make the player you tried to help think you were planning a stab or at least a spoiling attack.

In this case I worked out what move I would make in Draugars position and supported it. He didn't ask me to, I just did it. I got it right.

He noticed this and was obviously pleased because the next turn he worked out the move I would be likely to make and supported that. He got it right too.

I have literally just discovered that I have successfully predicted his move again this turn (though there were several options) and that cost you Vienna. Tough. You took Serbia off me though. B-(.

I suspect that what really annoys you is that you wasted a support on Tyrolia when you could have attacked Trieste, breaking my support of Russias move and causing that move to fail. Worse, Tyrolia could not have been displaced anyway (except in a non-Gunboat game where I might enlist Germanies help). You failed to understand the twist Gunboat** gives to Diplomacy. It isn't just *not* talking. You need to change your mindset.

Finally, you were the victim of our shared largess. Oh dear, how sad. You didn't see the moves coming and you didn't try to counter them. You'll know better next time. But you have accused us of cheating and that is just not the case. You need to apologize; to both of us; Now.


**The very name "Gunboat" for this version of the game, comes from the phrase "We're sending a Gunboat!", something a powerful country's government would do when another, (weaker) country p1ssed them off. A Gunboat, sailing up and down outside your capital city, with its main guns loaded and ready, would be a large nudge in the right direction for you. You don't send a Diplomat, you don't write a "note", you send a Gunboat! They really really get the message.

Historical Note:
In 1892 the British government had 2 gunboats broken down and carried, in pieces, "on mens backs", to lake Nyassa in Zambesi. They were to be used in "putting down the slave trade in those regions". Later, in 1914, on lake Nyassa, the British gunboat "Guendolen" fought a brief navel engagement with the German gunboat "Hermann von Wissmann". It was, according to The Times, "the British empires first naval victory of World War 1". <Proudness>
trim101 (363 D)
07 Feb 09 UTC
just becuase you said your not talking doesnt mean your not. I know what gunboat is and if you havnt been talking i applaud your tatical vision its just your last few moves were a little bit to perfect, with no signs in prior moves of where you two would have gone.
EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
07 Feb 09 UTC
I interrupt the thread for some hobby history:
The Term Gunboat Diplomacy along with probably the first game of it was made on the Friday night of DipCon V in Chicago 1971. There was a gathering of players in the hotel room of Len Lakofka (the convention organizer) who was ill with a hoarse throat, also present was Walt B. who was too drunk to make any sense, Stan Wrobel and John Smythe who didn;t want to bother talking to anyone and myself who no one wanted to listen to after a 10 drive from New York City. I believe there were also two fellows from the locals another one of which was self medicating and suddenly discovered his toes or something. So rather than play a normal game we decided just to toss in the orders in the box and play 'Gunboat' style since we were discussing the Steve McQueen movie San Pebbles that a bunch of had seen and were arguing about in some zine somewhere. The actual movie had come out a few years earlier and there was a serious Vietnam analogy/bitch and moan going on about it.
I believe the game ended after 1904 or so when someone fell on the board in a stupor and we took as a sign to end the game.
airborne (154 D)
07 Feb 09 UTC
Wow that sounded fun eh? Its seems the whole FAQ needs to be rewritten.
EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
07 Feb 09 UTC
As an aside on things: the terms/abbreviations in the hobby have changed over the years with the influx of different waves of people. For example I am still getting my head around these emoticons, WTA-WTF etc .

Some of the more interesting changes over time:

A-H Austro Hungary to some but from 1963 to 1989 the majority of people would have said Avalon Hill the major game producer of wargames and the owner of Diplomacy from 1975 or so.

Press: in the Judge Email error and carried on this refers to communication between players, however in the Postal Period, press means Press Release and these were the stories and columns you would send to the GM 'Zine owner who would print them up to go in public with the adjudication of the game. These Press Releases were full characterizations of fictional events in the game and intended to be an on going story line for the game. Remember a good portion of the early hobby was made up of Sci-Fi fans including some Sci-Fi authors.

NMR= No Moves Received the worst thing that could happen to you and often blamed on the postal service when in fact people were just distracted and missed their orders

Dots: supply centers taken from the visual of the maps of the period 1959-1986 where the supply centers were represented by 1/4 inch dots on the map.

GM= There was a big discussion early on whether this meant Game's Master or Game Master. There were too many English majors and lawyers back then.

DM= Dead Meat or Dungeon Mast

anyway... I will let you get back to the thread...
The second coming of birsan!
Stagger (2661 D(B))
07 Feb 09 UTC
A-H = Avalon Hill, which owed the rights to Diplomacy for quiet a while.

:P
flashman (2274 D(G))
07 Feb 09 UTC
My first copy was an A-H version with those black dots: still use it; very fond of it...
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Feb 09 UTC
Could someone with the power to confirm we are not cheating in http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8007 do so? I have stricktly "wasted" orders to indicate my intent and followed up on them. No communication has been done by me outside of a huge "SHUT UP!" to everyone who was chatting in the global tab.
Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Feb 09 UTC
Oh, and I think Italy/Trim is most upset because I kept supporting him to crush you, until he decided I had grown to big and jumped me (coincidentally at the same time Germany did, or is it a coincidence, hmmm?) So I started acting in self preservation mode, keeping you alive if possible so he couldn't get a foot in the southern door of the Russian Juggernaut. But this is bending the rules so I'm stopping now.
@Trim101 - Thankyou for applauding our tactical vision. That's not an apology, but it'll do until one comes along.

Your tactical vision however is sadly lacking. Lets wind the clock back to Spring 1908 and take a look at what happened - he (Draugar) tried to support you in an attack on me... and you missed it! He did the same in Autumn 1908 and you missed it again (Muppet).

Fortunately for me, Autumn 1908 is when I supported him and he spotted it and was pleased. The rest, as they say, is history <see my previous post>.

@EdiBirsan - You know 'cos you were there. Kudos.

@Draugnar - you edited that "SHUT UP!" quote a bit. ;-)
Draugnar (0 DX)
08 Feb 09 UTC
@Speaker - Yeah, I edited it for the forum. I was sick of everyone gabbing...


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Glorious93 (901 D)
07 Feb 09 UTC
Alliances game, anyone?
Anybody up for a pre-set alliances game? I was thinking of the WWI alliances (England, France and Russia VS Germany, Austria and Turkey with Italy choosing a side at the start) Probably a low point buy in, let me know whose interested.
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
07 Feb 09 UTC
Multi Alert - Mods please note.
Please note identical log in times, and game history from profiles. Thank you.
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Denzel73 (100 D)
04 Feb 09 UTC
US educational system
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE

Who is blame for the situation?
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flashman (2274 D(G))
06 Feb 09 UTC
Enigma
A small pot (5 pts!) WTA game of the same name... See below if you are good at cracking passwords.
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dogvomit (278 D)
07 Feb 09 UTC
New Game, "Bury Me With My Money"
75 points, PPSC, all welcome

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8603
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Giwald (521 D)
07 Feb 09 UTC
Looking for something to do right now?
We're doing a game at the speed of the board game: 15 minute phases (is not enforceable, you just have to promise to finalize and be able to play for say 3 or 4 hours).

Starting ASAP...
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flashman (2274 D(G))
07 Feb 09 UTC
One player needed...
Small stakes WTA game, CD Italy is available from the start...

Details below.
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saj (100 D)
07 Feb 09 UTC
Retreats
If someone doesn't put in a retreat order, what happens? Is the unit disbanded?
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
06 Feb 09 UTC
For countries in CD - disband question
I'm hoping someone familiar with the code can answer, rather than someone guessing.
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Khan (317 D)
07 Feb 09 UTC
Game StalinStalin
Can we get unpaused?
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7958
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Babak (26982 D(B))
01 Feb 09 UTC
The Stimulus - for or against???
So I notice a lot of political discourse on this site - usually I dont participate as I do that elsewhere - but in this case, I felt that an ongoing discussion between me and <Captain James Tiberius Kirk> deserved a wider audience and discussion. what do you think of the stimulus plan?
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Miha (100 D)
07 Feb 09 UTC
New game, 6h
fast one Spring 1901, Pre-game
* End of phase: 6 hours
* 6 hours/phase: Fast
* Pot: 50
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
03 Feb 09 UTC
Ghost-rating List
February Ghost-rating list.
A couple of changes have improved the algorithm, and increased the chances of players with low to middle game counts (less than 60, say) to reach higher scores. I have recalculated the January list with this change too.
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hes_dead_jim (0 DX)
07 Feb 09 UTC
Wales move to Smyrna via Convoy via Convoy...
http://screencast.com/t/dVjlItIUlOY

Awesome Limey move...
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ag7433 (927 D(S))
07 Feb 09 UTC
I have a problem
I just want to keep joining games until my points run out. And then I get pissed off when I have so many games to keep up with. It's an addition, man!
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paggas (184 D)
07 Feb 09 UTC
Forum installation
Why not install one of the usual forum packages, such as phpBB? Why is this site running a homebrew forum system?
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HoratioNelson92 (100 D)
07 Feb 09 UTC
new game
This means WAR!!!
12/hr phases fast paced game
JOIN!!
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
05 Feb 09 UTC
New game....
All are welcome.
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Nadji (898 D)
07 Feb 09 UTC
200pts, At Arms
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8587
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kuang (100 D)
07 Feb 09 UTC
Error?
I'm not sure what's wrong.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8581
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ivanmt42 (107 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
New game looking for players
At a medium pace.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8564
10 points, PPSC, 48 hr pace.
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charly (225 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
ADMINISTRATION Cheap Slow Game
The game Cheap Slow Game is on PAUSE

We can not play
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rratclif (0 DX)
06 Feb 09 UTC
One more player...
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8571

50 points, PPSC, 24 hr turns. 1 more to start.
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RiffArt (1299 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
Unpause Request
I wonder if someone could unpause this game:

Tanks over Ships: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8013
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Dunecat (5899 D)
06 Feb 09 UTC
Peep the sitch, new game ready to rock.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8564

Wanna play?
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