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Maniac (189 D(B))
23 Nov 08 UTC
Kestas - Close a thread please
Can you close the thread -
"How many countries can get maximum builds in the first year, simultaneously?"
It has developed into a discussion about a live game.
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RiffArt (1299 D)
24 Nov 08 UTC
Winner Takes All Game Open
Roll up! Roll up! Small pot, Winner Takes All, 40 Hour Phase Game.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6971
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Maniac (189 D(B))
23 Nov 08 UTC
Worst player award of GFTD
I'd like to nominate myself - 2 games and not a single build!
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diplomat1824 (0 DX)
23 Nov 08 UTC
8th Country
This is a petition to the operators of this website. Anyone who wants Scandinavia (Sweden, Norway, Finland, and Denmark) to become a country, please type your username below.
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titansbt89 (199 D)
24 Nov 08 UTC
Winner take all gunboat game - COME JOIN!!!
not a large pot just 15 points.
Never played one of these, wanted to try it out.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6960
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fullautonick (713 D)
24 Nov 08 UTC
Question
If I am moving from Warsaw to Moscow, being supported by Ukraine, and there are two other armies who are moving into Moscow from St. Petersburg and Sevastopol, what happens?(The two armies in St. P and Sevastopol are NOT supporting each other, just moving into Moscow)
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cteno4 (100 D)
23 Nov 08 UTC
Feature Request: End Of Phase Time
See comment.
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warsprite (152 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
Man attacked by Panda
Every year it seems there are numerous stories about people in zoos climbing over fences and moats to get at the animals and than attacked by the animal. In parks people try to feed or pet wild animals with the same results. Than there are cases of domesticated animals being teased till the animal finds a way to get at the person. These events are in the news, signs are posted etc. What the hell are these people thinking! To many Disney Movies? What?
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nbarnes (100 D)
23 Nov 08 UTC
Diplomacy Tournament in Seattle, Jan 23rd-25th
Details in the reply and at this address:

http://www.diplom.org/~seattle/calendar.html
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billiejean (100 D)
23 Nov 08 UTC
north africa
can north africa move to spain?
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schnurstrax (106 D)
23 Nov 08 UTC
http://schnurstrax.heliohost.org/phpdiplomacy/board.php?gameID=3
http://schnurstrax.heliohost.org/phpdiplomacy/board.php?gameID=3
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Jann (558 D)
23 Nov 08 UTC
new game
25 points
48 hour phase
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gabgirl15 (100 D)
23 Nov 08 UTC
cheap game
join europe-3
2 more spots left
only costs 5 "points"
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diplomat1824 (0 DX)
23 Nov 08 UTC
Good Feelings
Type the best feeling you had playing Diplomacy, and what game situation provoked it.
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
23 Nov 08 UTC
Please provide URL in the Game completed message from Gamemaster
Message below
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
23 Nov 08 UTC
Removing /commands from chat
I think that any line sent in the global chat that starts with a "/" should not be shown in the text. Obviously it will be parsed as a command, and if it is a valid command then the text is not needed as a Gamemaster message is sent instead. As it is, the system gets rather messy as you get lots of lines just saying /pause followed by the system response.
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jenspo (1242 D)
21 Nov 08 UTC
Need an Ally. http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6549
Excellent Turkish position with Wonderfull Ally. Please fill the spot... If you intend to stay allied with Russia! Otehrwise stay away ;-)
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mac (189 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
EOG statement - "UN variant"
EOG statement for the “UN variant” game (http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5933). The game is based on the idea that treaties can be published in global tab, and in that case they are “enforceable” by the UN (i.e.: if they are broken the guilty player will be sanctioned).
mac (189 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
The basic rule is that if a player beaks a treaty, then he/she is due to have one NMR turn and all other players have the chance to unilaterally drop current treaties with him. (Other rules exists, but is irrelevant to mention them here).

I joined the game thinking that the game itself would have been an exercise in positive assertiveness, without having the element of backstabbing of the normal games. With this in mind, I made an early alliance with Germany (let's take down England together!) and with Italy (NAP).

Everything got as planned until Fall03, but then Germany got something strange in their messages, and – having the player governing that country a strong reputation for easy back-stabs and cheats on the forum – I guessed just-in-time that he planned to back-stab me using an ambiguous formulation of our common public treaty.

So in Spring 04 I managed to contain the damage, but I also got very disillusioned about the variant: everybody seemed very focused on writing “watertight” treaties and ways of inject advantageous ambiguity into them, and nobody seemed interested in bringing diplomacy to an higher level. Since the UN variant is so press-demanding, I asked if I could drop-off and find a replacement for me, but the other players did not agree, so I kept on playing.

Luckily for me, the stab I had been given was tactically appealing, but strategically counter-productive, so that by Spring 05 Germany had all his units amassed at the border with me, with the perspective of still losing a SC and me having already a new fleet heading into the Mediterranean (Italy never went CD but had a NMR that crimped his strategy in the beginning of the game). The outcome of this situation was a new treaty with Germany, basically allowing him to use his units elsewhere and me getting Belgium back immediately, thus having an extra build into the south.

Meanwhile I was seeking a cooperation with Austria: the plan would have been for us to share Italy's SC's, then he would have sealed the Ionian (protecting my back) and I would have sailed for a campaign in the east of the Atlantic. Unluckily Austria made another of the “tactical appealing” and “strategically counter-productive” moves that characterised this game: he chose to go for a fast expansion in all directions, leaving Turkey free to roam into the Med and triggering a 5 way alliance against him. Without any specific wish to trick Italy, I suggested a convoy Tun-Alb that took Austria by surprise, but that left Tun open for me a couple of turns later (and I took that chance).

While Austria was severely impaired by the treaty-bond alliances between most of the other players, Italy found himself in a near-death situation and offered me his unconditional alliance (in change of being kept alive till the end of the game).

The game kept on smooth until Spring 1909 (by that time I was leading with 13 SC's, the second most powerful power having 7)... then Germany failed to submit orders (in my opinion on purpose, but it really does not matter), and thus broke a treaty with me... or so I thought, as in reality we could not reach consensus on whether Germany was guilty or not.

Although – after all – for the sorts of the game the matter would have been irrelevant, I was so much unwilling to keep on playing this variant that I preferred to give away the likely solo victory in X turns in change of an immediate draw, and so we did.

My learning points: the “public treaties” idea is great and can potentially give the chance to refine a lot one's diplomatic skills. If the attention is contrarily on writing “watertight treaties” the game becomes totally different: it becomes a “writing exercise” that might be very interesting for some, but I personally find bares no learning in relation of a “normal dip game”.

Thanks to all the other players who played this intensive variant, and thanks once more for having agreed on a draw.
Pandarsenic (1485 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
How does a sanction work?
Pandarsenic (1485 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
Never mind, late.
trim101 (363 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
the point of this variant in my opinion was to prevent backstabbing, by the treaties,but like any treaty there are loop holes and that point was made in the global press at the beginning of the game
Centurian (3257 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
I thought the German stab was quite legit (I encouraged it). Also I wouldn't say I went to expand in all directions. With France and Germany embroiled and Italy reduced to two centres and surrounded I felt like I could take on both Turkey and Russia at the same time. I had the element of surprise. However, Italy declared allegiance to the French (Bugger was eratic the entire game) and the French and Germans made peace so suddenly I was the easy target. Russia and Germany refused to stop attacking me despite both admitting that France was going to run away with it. Luckily Mac insisted constantly that he hated the variant and we all drew the game (sorry England haha). The overall experience left a bad taste in my mouth.
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
German EOG statement:

I leapt into the game when it was announced, having originally played one version of this game a few months ago on this site. I indicated in the forum that having played the last game, part of the fun was to see what loop holes you could make in treaties.

I went into the game and quickly formed a decent alliance with France. With England strangely fighting Russia, partially encouraged by yours truly, France and I were able to dominate the North Sea, and when the English Channel DMZ treaty between France and England expired, England was virtually a goner.

At this point, what occurred to me was that France was getting the majority of the centres, with little recompense for Germany. Russia was pointing out some dubious messages from France, and Austria also got in on the act - France was the largest player, and I was the only person able to stop him.

The treaty with France was worded so that neither country could attack each others supply centres. Therefore, in the last turn of my treaty, I attacked the North Sea in an attempt to block off France from further gains - note, it wasn't a centre, but a sea region, so not breaking the treaty. France cried foul, but all the other players confirmed I was within my rights to do this.

However, it quickly became apparent that the 'stab' hadn't worked. France had got wind of it, possibly due to him being informed by others, and I was left hanging out to dry. Both G and F had three fleets, and neither of us was likely to make further gains.

After a couple of turns I then buried the hatchet, talked to France and Russia and signed an anti-Austrian pact - informally, but with a new treaty against France that was watertight - he wrote it. I intended to grab as many centres as I could, then work with Russia or France in the endgame.

There was then further contention. Part of the treaty between France and Germany stated that we should bounce each other in the North Sea - if either of us got in accidentally, we had to move back the next turn unless it became impossible. After a few turns, France missed a turn, and my 'bounce' move succeeded and I ended up with a fleet in the North Sea. Unfortunately, I then managed to miss a turn, and France immediately demanded breakage of the treaty, a one turn miss go, whilst looking to finish me off. I claimed that it was an honest mistake (unlike France's claim it was - I missed turns in other games as well due to work pressures), and that the spirit of the treaty hadn't been broken and in the wording of the treaty, my move had become impossible due to my miss. Besides, in the move that I was supposed to retreat from the North Sea, France had tried to enter - a deliberate breakage of the rules too! If anything, we were both at fault.

At this point, there was so much rancour between the remaining players, we decided to call it a draw. A shame - in the preceding trial, this variant worked well, but it won't if there is bad blood between players.


One final thing. France in his EOG statement said the following: "having the player governing that country (i.e. Germany - me) a strong reputation for easy back-stabs and cheats on the forum – I guessed just-in-time that he planned to back-stab me using an ambiguous formulation of our common public treaty."

As far as I am aware, no-one I have played with, barring one player I had a recent argument with, has ever called me a cheat with a reputation for back stabs. As I have repeatedly pointed out to mac, there are numerous games where I have worked together with other players throughout the game. I am extremely disappointed by this statement, and feel it is without merit. If he wishes to provide evidence, I would be delighted to hear it, otherwise, I would like him to retract it.
trim101 (363 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
i would like to say i really enjoyed this variant and would like to give it another go at some point and i hope you will join my cgwhite.
mac (189 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
Cgwhite, I meant no offence. English is not my first language, and if the formulation of my EOG sounded offensive of your fair play, then just know it was not my intention. [And the readers of this thread know it too!]

About your "reputation": the structure of the forum is such for which messages go past very quickly, but you can maybe ask kestas to search the DB for you: during the early phases of the game there were at least two posts I can remember of, in which some other player stated that you never tell the truth or something like that. Being known for certain characteristics is one of the consequences of being part of a community.

Beside, I work with people a lot (like you do), so it was not difficult to spot the rather evident changes in your negotiating style prior to the stab, and the forum just confirmed my suspicions: nobody spilled the beans, you can be assured your allies kept they mouth shut, at least with me, anyhow.

As I specified repeatedly in our press (and maybe even in the global tab), back-stabbing is part of the game, and talking other players into believing something that it is not, cheating them and squash them as soon as the occasion arise is a totally valid way of playing it... I do not see where the offence should be in stating that the information I gathered on the forum proved valid to foresee and contain your stab.

So, no bad or diminishing intention - especially not towards you - in my EOG statement. I also did not like the game (as most of the people stated), but hey... it's only a game! So, relax, enjoy... and be happy you got an unexpected draw! :)
Centurian (3257 D)
23 Nov 08 UTC
Everyone was against me! Typical. I'd like to take this time to point out that Germany also had an agreement with me which he broke. Just thought I'd point that out.
sean (3490 D(B))
23 Nov 08 UTC
mac, Cgwhite is a upstanding member and not at all the kind of player who backs stabs quickly. We had a UN game a while back but i found it a bit stale as we were all locked into tight alliances and it was difficult to break out of.
mac (189 D)
23 Nov 08 UTC
I agree with you Sean. I think that the fact alliances are difficult to break because of the public agreements injects a lot of frustration into players, it's a bit like trying to play the piano with handcuffs on... On the other hand, I find the "training potential" of this variant is very high as it obliges you to really think in terms of strategy (rather than tactics) and to exercise your assertiveness with other players.


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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
23 Nov 08 UTC
Italy needed in new game
Game just started, we still need an Italy.Please help. Its still Spring 1901.

http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6922
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centaurian (0 DX)
22 Nov 08 UTC
cheating? a very witty game title
i took over germany to discover both austria and turkey playing perfectly orchestrated moves every turn, to just b communicating on this site, especially when only half turns take a full phase to advance. pls look n c
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
29 Oct 08 UTC
Variant Game: Public Press Only
See below
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keblecol (100 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
Durango 95-Purring horrorshow
can a mod please restart this game? we've voted, but there are actives who have not logged in in days and thus have not voted to activate the game again...
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仇~ATA~ (100 D)
23 Nov 08 UTC
My apologies.
I would like to apologize to everyone playing with me. Unfortunately my computer went unexpectedly out of order, so I was not able to use it for about 10 days.
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EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
22 Nov 08 UTC
Colors
I am not a fan of the colors for the countries used here.
How hard is it to make a code change on the colors?
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mac (189 D)
23 Nov 08 UTC
GFTD - Where the games to be WTA or PPSC?
Not that it makes a real difference, as the pot is 5 and the idea is to have the scores calculated by the llama, anyhow. Yet... there was an indication to follow or was it free for us to choose? (I ask since my 2 games are one WTA and one PPSC...)
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kaner406 (356 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
does it get any more beautiful?
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=6001
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trim101 (363 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
Rugby
Anyone see the Wales vs New Zealand game, with what happened after the Haka
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gabgirl15 (100 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
new game
i've just made a new (very cheap) game
it's called "idc wat u think, as long as its about me..."
(FOB is awesome! lol)
plz join!
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TheMasterGamer (3491 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
Is mathematics a pure science?
If you believe so then:
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Treefarn (6094 D)
22 Nov 08 UTC
Headlines from the Philadelphia Inquirer, October 14, 1944
Details follow
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