Shield- What country do you live in? - USA
How old are you? 60
What do you do for work? I own a consulting firm. We help people with information analytics, the automation of time intensive tasks, performance metrics and reward programs.
What is your education background? MBA-Finance

“You say Islam is evil because of its texts, but how do you define evil? What makes what you're quoting inherently evil?” Evil is something that is profoundly immoral, wicked, and depraved, especially when it is regarded as directed by a supernatural force. A book is not evil. The author of the book, Hitler or Mohammed, is evil. Cutting off the heads of people who do believe the way you do, raping children and selling them as sex slaves are examples of evil behavior comes from following the text written by evil.

“If there are many good aspects of Islam/quran mix in with the bad how can it be entirely evil?” Imagine your most special meal, with a fine wine. Mine would be a grilled salmon with buerre blanc sauce, with green beans and seasoned red potatoes. Wonderful. Now sprinkle ricin over it, arsenic in the wine. Despite all the good and wonderful things on the plate, it will kill you. It is entirely deadly.

“You say Islam is the greatest threat yet everyone else has done just fine for hundreds/thousands of years.” Wrong. Without Charles Mantel, Western civilization would have ceased to exist in face of the Muslim invasion.
“You say no one has the balls to defeat terrorism. Okay well I'm pretty sure common gun violence in the US kills something like 30,000 a year compared to say Islamic terrorism on US citizens outside war zones closer to 10. I'm shaking in my boots at Islamic terrorism as I walk through the Bronx at 3am Nevermind the guys trying mug and kill me.” A Non Sequitur. 60% of gun deaths are suicide. 3% are accidental. Over half of the remaining gun violence is gang and drug related. Drugs are the root cause of the violence, and the money associated with the drug trade. We need to take the money out of drugs. The money leads to violence and corruption.

stephie-"but it's another reason why you should in fact ask a Muslim what a sentence is telling him" I asked some of the Muslims on this site to do just that, but they refuse. Their silence speaks volumes.

No it doesn't, don't flatter yourself. Most people prefer to do useful or fun stuff.

Thanks for using quotation marks though :-)

"Most people prefer to do useful or fun stuff." I find sharing ideas, questioning different positions, trying to discover root cause of differences both fun and useful. Ignoring the problem will not make it go away.Ignoring Evil will not make it go away.

Manic - A silly, made up story proves nothing except your poor writing skills. What is the point in engaging in fantasy?

Stephie "As has been pointed out to you, which parts are most likely invalid has been well-documented"

This is not what Muslims believe. Here is something from an Islamic site on the Koran: http://www.islamicity.org/8304/understanding-islam-and-muslims/

What is the Qur’an?

The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by God through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad. It was memorized by Muhammad and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, who cross-checked it during his lifetime. Not one word of its 114 chapters, Suras, has been changed over the centuries, so that the Quran is in every detail the unique and miraculous text which was revealed to Muhammad fourteen centuries ago.

Where do you get your belief and opinion that the Koran is not the literal word of god in its entirety, without error?

Stephie -It would be nice if you address what I actually say, not your made up opinions and falsehoods. But I will address your points.

“How would you convince the masses not to join the fight while you kill their moms dad's brothers sister and children on your genocidal campaign?” A total lie. Show me where I espoused a genocidal campaign.

“When you single handedly lead the world into a holy war that kills 4.7 billion people wages across very country including nuclear war as muslim countries rush to develop technology to defend themselves does that make you a hero? How would you stop non muslim countries from joining the war against your evil tyranny?” Another lie. Show me where I suggested a holy war and the use of nuclear devices.

“Lets say you kill all the terrorists without inciting a larger war. You say the next step is to convert everyone to Christianity. Your words.”
Actually, I borrowed those words from Ann Coulter.

“What if NO ONE in Islamic including moderates wants to convert and they tell you to stick it where the sun don't shine? They want to read their quran and pray. Would you give up your stated campaign to end Islam and convert everyone to Christianity?” Mohammed instructs his followers to kill, or force submission on those who do not convert. This is happening to this day, as my post on the slaying of Christians in Aleppo shows. Here is how Christ instructed his followers to deal with those who would not follow him: “If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.” Mat 10:14 So yes, they can go on reading their Koran and pray as they want. Just stop cutting the heads off non-belivers.

“You say you would convert them but then say it wont be forced. How would you prevent them from following "pure" islam again? We can’t. But we would kill them when conduct in terrorist activities or ritual beheadings.

“Would you behead them until they converted? Would they be jailed? Pay a special tax?” No, No and No.

“If no punishment and no one converts your whole "crusade" has failed and more people will continue to follow islam and the quran which you oppose. How do you stop this?
Hard to answer hypotheticals. Just keep trying.

“Do you set up an execution squad to take out anyone who might be a terrorist?” No, just those who ARE terrorists.

“What happens when u die and stalin junior takes over and decides to use this awesome enforcement army to take over Christian countries and execute them for fun because Netflix is so 2020?” This is so ridiculous it doesn’t deserve a response. Get serious. And stop making up lies, like I called for an enforcement army.

“You ask how a follower of islam can live in free society. How can you live in a free society when you advocate eradication of a whole religion as your basis for existence? You can't because that free society doesn't support genocide.” Again, another lie. I have never supported genocide. Show me where I did. Repeating a lie doesn’t make it true. Sharia Law in incompatible with the US Constitution. This is why Ben Carson he could not support a Muslim for president. Sharia Law, among other things, prohibits non-believers from owning a weapon or riding a horse with a saddle, or displaying a cross outside a Church.

“What do you define as civilization and how can a religion be at war with it per your comments? If Islam "won" and everyone was muslim, would that not be civilization albeit one you don't agree with? What specifically would mean it wasn't a civilizaton as you define a civilization?” I was referring to Western Civilization. Yes, if everyone converted to Islam that would be a civilization.

“You go on at length about the Umar pact yet most of these such as don't beat a Muslim, don't breach the privacy of a home and don't take up a sword seem like basic rules of living with other people. Sure some say don't repair places of worship but that sounds much more lenient that what you advocate. How is this evil? Be specific.” I mentioned Uman once, because this is recognized as the start of Sharia. There is no one universal Sharia law. Many make up their own versions. Sharia is the system of governance under Islam. Islamists try to get Sharia to replace civil law.

“You say Islam is responsible for most of the world's conflicts. How do you define conflicts? Like in conflicted between pizza or steak for dinner? Conflict with your spouse over money? A mugging? A riot with fist fights? Random stabbings and shootings between whites and blacks in the US? Civil wars? Inter country wars? Number of wars or number of deaths and injuries? . Be specific and provide sources.” For what purpose? I will change most to many. The point still stands.

“You cite 10 people here 6 people there in terms of executions. Ooo. Scary. 50000 people died in 3 days a Gettysburg. How is the death of 10 people a bigger threat than civil wars and Gettysburg? Disease kills more than islam. Why don't we eradicate that first then tackle islam?” Why not both/and? I can do more than one thing at the same time. And I hereby declare no more casualties from the American Civil War.

Not my words?

I don't understand. If you are referring to the Ann Coulter quote, I borrowed those words but endorse the sentiment.

Otherwise, please explain.

You're implying those quotes in your previous post are things I said, but I don't see any of my words in a quick scan. Don't you have me confused for someone else?

You claim to be addressing my points but none of them are my points, basically. You're taking putting words into someone's mouth to a whole new level.

Steephie- “He still hasn't answered my questions. It seems it is pretty hard to answer with fact and reason after all.” You state opinions. You have not addressed the ‘facts’ of the verses I quote from the Koran, other than saying they are invalid. NOTHING in the Koran is considered anything other than the word of god.

“How will his murder spree plans be codified, disseminate and sustained? Will it be written in a document? Will his followers have to adhere religiously to it? Will it break multiple national and internatonal laws against genocide that land him dead or in prison?” What murder spree? Killing the terrorists who kill, behead, crucify and rape is defending life. You seem to want the killing to continue unabated. You have lost your humanity.

“Is someone a terrorist if they say bad names at him? If they call him names in the name of the jewish God? In the name of allah? Would they be a terrorist if they threw a Pebble? If they threw it in the name of allah? What if that was. Terrorism but others disagreed that wasn't quite terrorism and joined the defense of innocent people BOG is killing as terrorists ? How would BOG resolve the disagreemental about who is a terrorist? If a dictator forces people into slave labor and freedom fighters attack his palace to end his tyranny in the name of allah but are unsuccessful and only end up killing civilians by mistake... are they terrorists?” So many ridiculous strawmen you create. The terrorists are the ones who kill, behead, crucify and rape Christians or other Muslims who do not believe the same things they believe. Really quite simple.

“If it turned out islam is the one true religion despite the supposed evilness of the text wouldnt killing them be evil in itself? I mean sure it's convenient that the mainstream behead non-believers is an evil god. But please stop building these ridiculous strawmen.religion where we grow up usually happens to be the right one.... but that's really based on faith and although you might have faith it's at least distantly Possible you could be wrong. I know i know. ... you have faith which is basically scientific evidence so you can't be wrong right?” A god who commands his followers to behead non-believers is indeed evil. The Koran contains the word of god commanding followers to behead non-believers. The god of the Koran is evil.

Again, you're not quoting me and I have absolutely no idea what you are doing.

Steephie & Shield -
Sorry - I confused Steephie with Shield.
I'll try to pay closer attention but I'm swamped with work.

Right.

One thing I wanted to point out is that you're way too quick to say 'Muslims believe this' rather than '[a specified group of Muslims] believe this'.

You're generalizing way too much, taking stuff from various subgroups and throwing it together to create something you call Muslim and criticise, but you are criticising something you effectively made up, by mixing existing things together.

You look at a rhino and a dolphin and conclude that a mammal has horns and lives in the water.

steephie- "One thing I wanted to point out is that you're way too quick to say 'Muslims believe this' rather than '[a specified group of Muslims] believe this'."
I don't know what individual Muslims believe. That is why I use quotes from the Koran. There is only one Koran. The same Koran for Sunni and Shia. When I say Muslims believe something, I am quoting the Koran, which is the primary source of their beliefs.

@BaldOldGuy Seriously, do you follow every single commandment in the Christian Bible? That's the primary source of your beliefs, right? Even just the ones in the New Testament, if you like, that's still got more than enough not so great things in it that you must obviously clearly believe.

Also, uh, which version of the Christian Bible am I talking about, exactly? There are rather a large number of them.

BOG seems to believe that islam is evil and should be eradicated because the quran, other texts, sharia law, etc have language that encourages violence.

He is okay letting people pray to allah and read the quran and pursue their own beliefa as long as the dont start killing people based on quran teachings. So obviously he doesn't want to eliminate the quran or people who read it and believe only the non violent aspects while ignoring the violent ones.

He seems to imply that if u don't follow a strict adherence to every word by killing you aren't islamic. I make this assumption because he says islam is evil and must be eradicated but at the same time allows people to study the quran if they are peaceful. That seems a bit silly but sure if u don't kill people can't be a believer in islam whatsoever.

So in summary BOG would prefer to convert everyone to his Christian cult but accepts Muslims who don't want to convert unless they follow a strict adherence to the violent aspect of islam. He can't personally verify what each individual believes but as long as they don't get all terrorist-y live and let live. Really he is just opposed to the violent aspect of Islamic writings and the follow thru by individuals or groups.

Just like we would hunt down someone for shooting a public official we should hunt down terrorists who kill others.

Is this all a fair statement? Am I missing any major components of his beliefs or saying something wrong? If so it doesn't seem that crazy he just expressed his ideas poorly.

Also sorry for the poor typing I'm on a mobile and long texting is not comfortable for me.

@shield I dunno, unless I have a logic failure, he is suggesting that:

(a) the Koran has things that suggest violence is a solution to various things
(b) the Koran is the islamic holy text and is therefore what they believe in
(c) therefore Muslims (all) must believe (a), since everything in (b) is what they believe.

The above argument is entirely identical if you simply substitute "Holy Bible" (or "New Testament") and "Christian" in. Somehow it doesn't apply to himself though. Can't imagine why.

(To be clear: it's a total failed argument in the Islamic case too, but BOG seems to think the argument somehow magically works in that case but not the Christian case.)

@BOG: You're only talking about a very small subsection which believes every word in the Quran should be carried out to the letter in a literal sense, much like Christianity has a similarly small subsection who believes the same of the Bible.

A quote from a site doesn't change the fact that it's just one Muslim speaking and you take the rather large liberty to assume that counts for all Muslims.

@thorfi: The reason that BOG doesn't apply the logic for himself is because his logic is flawed. There is a big difference between the "Christian" and "Muslim" populations.

This is not only about religion - all monotheistic religions are very bloody. It is about the combination of the religion and social norms. The combination of social norms in Arab countries and Islam religion is what makes Islam followers in Arab countries very dangerous.

@ thorfi I disagree... In his view:

(a) the Koran has things that suggest violence is a solution to various things

(B) BOG does not believe that all muslims must believe in kiran or violence. not all Muslims believe in all aspects of the Koran, but BOG doesn't know each muslim personally and what each believes so he can't strictly speaking comment on this.

(C) he believes "Islam" can only be applied to those with strict adherence to all aspects of the Koran including violent aspects and only that variant of the religion and it's followers are evil. Peaceful followers are okay.

(D) muslims that are not strict can read the quran and practice non violent beliefs but in BOGs world they do not believe in islam.

I think most people agree muslim is more or less synonymous with islam... at least that's what I understand but BOG sees them as distinct with islam being the terrorist-y branch.

Thorfi "@BaldOldGuy Seriously, do you follow every single commandment in the Christian Bible? That's the primary source of your beliefs, right? "Christ established a Church, not a book. “But if I tarry long, that you may know how you ought to behave yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.” 1Tim 3:15 Except for the command to John to write Revelation, Christ never told anyone to write anything. Christ never wrote anything. The Apostles never told their followers that their Church would be replaced by a book. So while I read and study Scripture, the source of my beliefs is the Church Christ established, and the teaching authority of the Magesterium. But I am a sinner and often fall short of following all I am instructed to do.

shield - "Is this all a fair statement?" We finally got there. Unfortunately the conversation was sidetracked with crazy strawmen and accusations of being a bigot and genocidal maniac.

shield -"I think most people agree muslim is more or less synonymous with islam... at least that's what I understand but BOG sees them as distinct with islam being the terrorist-y branch." No. Islam is the religion. A muslim is the follower of Islam