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Cachimbo (1181 D)
12 Jun 11 UTC
New game: gameID=61317
Another day! Looking for a few good players that won't leave when the shit gets tough.
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holloway (509 D)
15 Jun 11 UTC
Culture and Imperialism-2: After game Discussion
Hello fellow players,
Any interest in a discussion on the second Culture and Imperialism game? ( http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=58253 )
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ButcherChin (370 D)
16 Jun 11 UTC
Sitters
Can someone explain to me how you get a sitter into one or more of your games? Because I'm going on a cruise in 4 days, and I can't use my phone there.
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Geofram (130 D(B))
15 Jun 11 UTC
Let's Go Vancouver!
They almost look like the leafs. =/
The cup belongs in Canada.
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taos (281 D)
16 Jun 11 UTC
i want to translate diplomacy
i want to translate diplomacy
i know english and spanish
who is in charge of that?
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Geofram (130 D(B))
15 Jun 11 UTC
Welcome dforce66!
I'd like to welcome a new member to our community. I had the chance to play a live gunboat with him earlier today.
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icecream777 (100 D)
15 Jun 11 UTC
LIVE GAME
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ezpickins (113 D)
15 Jun 11 UTC
error
i need help, everytime i log on, the website shows the last build phase as the current phase. i'm not sure what is going on, here's the game http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=57963
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Furball (237 D)
11 Jun 11 UTC
Japan.. How do we perceive them?
Hey guys, lets talk about Japan.
What are your thoughts on Japanese authorities allowing themselves to keep shrines for the old imperialist Generals in honor of their 'heroism'?
If you don't know what 'heroism' they have displayed in the past, than please I believe that we all have the right to know, and we can start this thread with those information.
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rkane (463 D)
14 Jun 11 UTC
How do I contact a Moderator
Hello, how do I contact a moderator about a likely violation of the rule about one person controlling two powers in a game?
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
15 Jun 11 UTC
Game with several people from Boston Ftf - open to anyone - game starts in 2.5 hours
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=61416

Join up guys pass = Boston
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DipCastGuys (100 D)
14 Jun 11 UTC
DiplomacyCast Episode 5 up tonight!

Enjoy it, everyone. Sorry about the delay.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Jun 11 UTC
I Hate To Ask Another Religious Question, But...
...this one won't STOP, because so many of teh friends I know won't stop. I'm NOT questioning anyone's beliefs, I'm just curious as to the reason why some religious people--and I'll admit this is mainly Christians I mean here, but that's just from my own personal experience, so if this is not you, don't take offense--seem to thank Jesus or Gor for EVERYTHING...even when it's clearly something THEY did (like do well on a test...unless God REALLY CARES if you got that A+, why thank him?)
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Putin33 (111 D)
12 Jun 11 UTC
"Catholics don't go door to do. "

Ever heard of the Legion of Mary?
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change." James 1:17

Verse from the Bible. This is why.
Also God doesn't specifically care about your test score but He does care about you, and if the test score brings you closer to Him than He does care about your test score.
Draugnar (0 DX)
12 Jun 11 UTC
From the Legion of Mary's website (a .ie in Ireland, where they were founded).

"We are looking particularly for Catholics who are no longer practicing their faith"

This is hardly the same as the Jehovah's Witnesses who won't go the fuck away. Tell the LoM you are not Catholic and never were and they leave you alone.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Jun 11 UTC
They openly advertise that they do door-to-door evangelizing. I don't know how they could possibly tell just by looking at house who is a former Catholic.
Baskineli (100 D(B))
13 Jun 11 UTC
@Putin33
Regarding your question about Hanukka (and other holidays).

It is hard to argue that historically, Judaism was first and foremost a religion. Avraham wasn't a Jew per se - he was a "commoner" who realized that there is only one God.

However, a lot of Jewish holidays have various meanings, and each Jewish population emphasizes different meaning. For example, Hanukkah is celebrated as a holiday of liberation of Jerusalem and the Temple in 167 B.C. However, the religious people emphasize more the miracle of the oil that lasted 8 days instead of 1, and secualr people emphasize more the liberation of Jerusalem by the rebellion (while still lighting 8 candles to remember the miracle of the oil that lasted for 8 days).

Nowadays, being a Jew doesn't have to do anything with religion, but with tradition and values. There are a lot of secular Jews in Israel, and there are a lot of religious Jews in Israel - starting with Jews who want complete seperatation between religion and the state, going through religious Jews who work and live in Israel and celebrate both secular and religious holidays, and ending with Jews who don't recognize the state of Israel and think that we all should wait for the Messiah to "come and save us all" and the existance of the state of Israel prevents Messiah from coming.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Jun 11 UTC
You know, since this conversation's resurfaced anyway, something I've always found sort of interesting about Judaism and the Jewish community is that it's such a fascinating example of a culture evolving over time...

You have the early nomads...
And then the various conquests...
And then Temple and Mystic Judaism...
And then the Diaspora and Rabbinical Judaism...
Orthodox Judaism, especially in the East, was really emphasized...
And then a bit of the secular, artistic side of Judaism pops through...
And then the waves of pogroms...
And the advent of Zionism, and Judaism more and more as a cultural/national dream...
And then the First World War, and the effect that had, populations moving...
And then the Jews coming to America and the American Jew is born...
And then they alway are making their way to Palestine...
And all this time the Orthodox vs. Secular debate rages...
And then the Holocaust occurs...
And then suddenly Reform Judaism takes wing and it REALLY adapts to the present...
And then Israel is founded...
And now, today, arguably it's more secular and cultural than purely religious.

Thousands of years and miles, how far it's come--

I do wonder if the same might happen to Christianity someday...?

Is this the course a religion, ultimately, takes?
Mujus (1495 D(B))
13 Jun 11 UTC
Lots of nominal Christians are really very secular. The state churches of Scandinavia, for example, have quasi-governmental functions. There are seminaries such as one in Claremont, CA that are adding programs for rabbis and moslem religious leaders. Many U.S. politicians call themselves "Christian" when their actions are anything but. And the "Christian Yellow Pages" have some business that I think just use the Ichthus logo (shaped like a fish) to drum up business from unsuspecting religious people.
Mujus (1495 D(B))
13 Jun 11 UTC
businesses
Mujus (1495 D(B))
13 Jun 11 UTC
Which brings us to the definition of religion. :-) Many Christians will define a religion as a system of works by which one can work one's way to heaven, paradise, nirvana, etc. But Christianity is the exact opposite. Christians are not those who think they can get to heaven by working at it, but those who know that they need the free gift of eternal life through trusting in Jesus' death on the cross to save them.
Mujus (1495 D(B))
13 Jun 11 UTC
Jesus said in Mark 2:17, "When Jesus heard this, he told them, 'Healthy people don't need a doctor--sick people do. I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners.'" NLT
Mujus (1495 D(B))
13 Jun 11 UTC
We believe that the criteria for being saved is relationship rather than religion, and that we must know Jesus and accept him as our personal lord and rescuer. So there are many religious people who will be rejected by Jesus. Matthew 7:20: Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions. 21 "Not everyone who calls out to me, 'Lord! Lord!' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, 'Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.' 23 But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God's laws.'
Mujus (1495 D(B))
13 Jun 11 UTC
This is what made the Pharisees hate Jesus--They worked so hard to be righteous, and he was saying that they were like whitewashed pigpens--clean on the outside but stinking on inside. And that's how it is with people who think that their religion (good works) can save them. That's Jesus' message. Previous quotes were from www.blueletterbible.org, New Living Translation.
joey1 (198 D)
13 Jun 11 UTC
@ Putin, what do you mean Catholics don't go door to door. In the past our Catholic Church has had several door to door missions where we invite people to the parish. (We also share the Gospel). If people are not interested we move along, but often we are invited in to talk. It was a good experience when we last did that.
Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Jun 11 UTC
Actually, it was me who said Catholics don't go door to door, joey. Putin said they did and used the Legion of Mary as an example.
Putin33 (111 D)
13 Jun 11 UTC
Joey, I said Catholics do go door-to-door. Draugnar was saying they don't.

" That's Jesus' message."

That message is reprehensible. Doesn't matter what do you as people, so long as you "believe". That's the very definition of moral hypocrisy. The idea that the Pharisees, and not the Christians, were the real hypocrites is odd, to say the least.

Invictus (240 D)
13 Jun 11 UTC
"Doesn't matter what do you as people, so long as you "believe". That's the very definition of moral hypocrisy."

Hm. I suppose North Korea gets a pass on that one, eh?
Leif_Syverson (271 D)
13 Jun 11 UTC
@ Putin, you miss my point and change the subject.

To refresh your memory, my point, to which everything else I said was aimed at supporting was as follows, "Someone who has studied a subject and formed a belief is not necessarily discredited simply because they have made up their mind on the subject. That was my point and the point that it seemed Draug was trying to reiterate."

Thus the reason for asking if the last person worth talking to about the subject of marxism/meninism is a marxist/leninist professor because they are biased toward that belief system. (As you seem so keen to point out about Christianity)

Any religious belief starts with an underlying worldview as I am sure you would agree, however not every individual who espouses that belief began life with that required worldview. No worldview is provable beyond a shadow of a doubt, be it Christianity, Islam, Secular Humanism, Atheism, Marxism/Leninism. And those last three are no less fundamentalist in their championing of their worldview than the religions, despite the fact that the underlying assumptions of those views are no more provable (or disprovable) than the religions. Thus, someone who examined various worldviews and made an informed decision based on evidence rather than blindly following a world view, in my opinion would be a good person to talk to about that worldview, be it Christianity or Marxism/Leninism. (However, for some reason, I don't think you will acknowledge this last sentence at all and will focus on the sentence preceeding this.)

A little clarification as well since you bring the subject up:
"But on the subject of religion you can hardly expect a non-biased answer, since their "Lord" commands them to "spread the good news" at all costs."
"The whole point of Christianity is to absolutely convert everyone."

The first is correct, the second is not. The command as you said is to spread the good news to everyone, but the command is not to convert everyone. Christians were given the task to spread the word. God did not however command us to "convert" people; He's kept that job for Himself, and while He pursues everyone He doesn't force anyone to believe Him, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. Any Christian attempting to do the converting themselves, and against a person's wishes is thus not following the commands of Scripture. We are called to preach and teach, not convert. Unfortunately, there are a significant number of Christians who have this wrong, and have misrepresented what Christ taught.

Now let me contrast with the marxist/leninist view, which as history has shown, is meant to be enforced on people regardless of their belief. The working class is supposed to tear down the rich because the rich are incapable of treating the working class as they deserve, there cannot be equality without revolution. Broadening the argument, socialist policies in general are designed to be enforced because the uneducated don't know what's best for themselves, so the intellectual class, who knows what's best for everyone takes from the wealthy class and gives to the working class, while claiming they are the only ones qualified to have power because they are educated and know what's best for everyone.

Now, you tell me which of these views pushes itself unwanted on individuals in a more sinister manner.. Revolution and/or involuntary wealth redistribution? or telling a miraculous story about a God who became a man, died for humankind's rebellion so humans could be saved from destruction, and letting the world decide what it believes on the subject? (and again I grant you that this is unfortunately not the route that all of what is called Christianity has taken, and that many have used Christ to fuel their own power trip)
Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Jun 11 UTC
Leif +1
Putin33 (111 D)
13 Jun 11 UTC
" Unfortunately, there are a significant number of Christians who have this wrong, and have misrepresented what Christ taught."

Yes of course. This is the *out* Christians always leave for themselves. All the evil things done by Christians is not *real* Christianity. But *your* Christianity is the *real* thing. Your interpretations are infallibly true. Their interpretations are completely wrong.
Any belief system worth its salt wouldn't allow itself to have these horrible misinterpretations throughout history. Christians are supposed to be about moral accountability. When will they take responsibility for their actions? When will they stop passing the buck and acknowledge that their is a fundamental flaw in their worldview that allows these things to take place?

"Now, you tell me which of these views pushes itself unwanted on individuals in a more sinister manner.. Revolution and/or involuntary wealth redistribution? or telling a miraculous story about a God who became a man, died for humankind's rebellion so humans could be saved from destruction, and letting the world decide what it believes on the subject?"

Which is less sinister? I don't of many belief systems that advocate eternal hellfire for those who simply don't believe. Your "choice" is the same kind of choice that armed robbers give to convenience store owners. "Sure, you have the 'free will' to decide whether or not to hand over money, but you're going to get a bullet in the head if you don't do it". That sounds very sinister to me and to many people. Or are you going to weasel out and say that the scripture doesn't actually say that? Eternal hellfire for not even committing a sin, but just for not believing. That's a sick and perverse worldview. You can sit here and claim that Christianity doesn't call for world conquest and converting everyone, but the fact is that Christianity predicts its own conquest over the rest of the world, and predicts eternal damnation for all those who refuse to be converted by sword in this world. (Matthew 16:18; 28:20; Isaiah 60: 1-3).

"Broadening the argument, socialist policies in general are designed to be enforced because the uneducated don't know what's best for themselves, so the intellectual class, who knows what's best for everyone takes from the wealthy class and gives to the working class, while claiming they are the only ones qualified to have power because they are educated and know what's best for everyone."

Nice caricature. Where does Marx or Lenin say that intellectuals are to rule? They very clearly say over and over again that the working class is to rule. You're just making stuff up. You guys can't help yourselves. In order to defend your sorry belief system you have to engage in redbaiting at every opportunity. Marxism Leninism calls for justice *in this world*, an overthrow of the exploitation of man by man and its replacement by a classless society. You leave people to suffer in this world for the "hope" that they get rewarded in the next. But this reward only comes for a select few. The vast majority to condemned to eternal torture by fire and brimstone.
Jack_Klein (897 D)
13 Jun 11 UTC
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. Matthew 28:18-20

It seems your God does tell you to go covert everybody. But hey, I'm sure you can weasel out of any particular verse you don't like. I mean, most Christians handwave away any of the more perverted instructions from your superstition anyhow. One more won't surprise me.
Putin33 (111 D)
13 Jun 11 UTC
" And those last three are no less fundamentalist in their championing of their worldview than the religions, despite the fact that the underlying assumptions of those views are no more provable (or disprovable) than the religions. "

I don't know how many times these efforts at false equivalence have to be made before you quit. No, sorry, Marxism-Leninism doesn't have claims which are less provable or disprovable than religious claims. Religious claims rely on miracles, on things completely unseen. They rely on the complete rejection of scientific epistemology and materialist ontology. Marxism Leninism doesn't make any claims that miracles occurred 2,000 years ago. Marxism Leninism doesn't make these outlandish claims and only offer up the "testimony" of people who lived 100 years after the "miracles" occurred.
You falsely claim that other belief systems rely on the same kind of flimsy evidence that your does. If Christianity was held to the same standards that scientific theories are held to, it'd have been laughed out of existence a long time ago.
Yonni (136 D(S))
13 Jun 11 UTC
If Hermain Cain had passed his bill before the Good Lord decided it was necessary for a sequel, then there wouldn't be so much ambiguity and room for debate as to His commandments.

http://my.firedoglake.com/somethingthedogsaid/2011/06/08/gop-hopeful-herman-cain-ill-sign-no-bills-longer-than-3-pages/
Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Jun 11 UTC
@Putin - "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,"

That doesn't mean every member of every nation. In fact, the greek word "matheteusate" is a verb which we don't have in English. It essential means "to disciple" if disciple was a verb. So, it is, in short, sasying to teach the wrod fo God to the nations (to disciple them). But the individuals hearing the word are free to accept or deny it at their pleasing. The original Greek makes it clear we are to bring the Word to world and teach, but no one is required to attend the classes. So no, we weren't ordered to make everyone a convert. We were ordered to provide the opportunity to everyone and, to those who accept, to baptise them and continue to teach them.
Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Jun 11 UTC
Excuse the typos in the previous, please.
Putin33 (111 D)
13 Jun 11 UTC
Yeah I think that's the handwaving Klein was talking about. There's nothing which indicates "choice" in believing or not believing (especially when you add in Jesus's eternal hellfire for those who don't believe), the new age Christians simply surmise this idea out of wholecloth. "Make disciples of all nations" suddenly don't mean everyone and suddenly means that it's voluntary. What an utterly ridiculous butchering of the definition of disciple. Disciple means committed adherent. "To disciple" then would mean to "make them into committed adherents". Furthermore he instructs his followers to get people to obey his commands.

The Christian manages to sow confusion even with the most clearcut of commands in the Bible. It's beyond dishonest at this point.
Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Jun 11 UTC
What an utterly ridiculus translation of "matheteusate". The original Greek word does not in any way imply forcibly converting or coercion or any of what you think it means. It has been misinterpretted for so long. Don't believe me? Do a little research. It doesn't mean to cooerce.

And he instructs his people to teach the new converts to obey his commands. Order of precedence. Something a programmer gets, but I guess eludes a polysci grad student.

First, make converts. Next, baptise those converts. Finally, teach those converts to obey Christ's commandments. Oh, and those commandments? Love God and one another. He gave us those commandments as the two most important and upon which all the law and the prophets are built. They are the only two commandments he ever gives us in the entire Gospel. really tough ones to follow there.

And I have one more question, Putin. Where did Christ (and use Christ's words, not Paul's, not Peter's, not Luke's) ever speak of eternal damnation/hellfire?

The one sowing confusion is the one who refuses to realize that the current interpretation of disciple from "matheteusate" is incorrect in implication. It is more accurately translated at teach, but you refuse to accept that and believe that it must mean disciple because some one, whose motives you don't trust to begin with, being an asshole ...er... athiest, said it means disciple several hundred years ago.
Putin33 (111 D)
13 Jun 11 UTC
I'm convinced Draugnar has never even opened a Bible.

"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell."
Matthew 5:21-23

This is straight out of the mouth of Jesus, the Sermon on the Mount, the single most famous sermon Jesus ever did.

He continues:

"If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."
Matthew 5:28-30

"27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell."

So much for the claim that "love" was the only commandment given by Jesus.

"“So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 27 What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. 28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

Matthew 10:27-29

"“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?"

Matthew 23:32-34

"“If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out."

"Mark 9:42-44


But whatever, you'll never admit you're wrong and you'll probably reinterpret what "hell" means. You stack the deck in your favor (words must come from Jesus) and you still lose, but you still find a way to distort the basic meaning of words so you can pretend that you didn't.





Putin33 (111 D)
13 Jun 11 UTC
" It has been misinterpretted for so long."

Draugnar's the expert on Greek, the countless Christians who translated the word in this way are all wrong. The countless Bible translations which all say "disciples" not "teach" or whatever the hell Draugnar is saying it means, are all wrong.

Even if what you say is true, whose fault is it that your Christian brethren are too stupid to translate things correctly for millenia?
Invictus (240 D)
13 Jun 11 UTC
Is there anything you don't have a ridiculously strong opinion on?

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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
10 Jun 11 UTC
New Ghost-Ratings up
Usual site:

tournaments.webdiplomacy.net
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Dunecat (5899 D)
08 Jun 11 UTC
Spendy bet and three-day phases: WTA
Who wants to play? (This is the winner-take-all thread.)
1000-point bet, 3-day phases (shorter than a 4-day phase, longer than a 2-day phase, a 3-day phase should be just right), standard map
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Riphen (198 D)
15 Jun 11 UTC
Strike up a live game
Pretty good game up until Germany left. Yea a major power quitting is never good.

This is the usual moment were i rant about something but I will give it too Russia well played.
gameID=61513
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Dpromer (0 DX)
15 Jun 11 UTC
For the "Not Quite Professionals"
Everyone is either into the crazy expensive live games or the cheap live games. I would like to make a live game with the stakes approx. 100. This would be a winner takes all and a 5 min phase. Who would like to take the risk?
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
15 Jun 11 UTC
Replacement needed
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=61146

Anyone willing to pick up China? Its only the first year and it could be salvageable
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BenGuin (248 D)
14 Jun 11 UTC
Live Game Mulits Detected, Can Mods Respond QUICKLY!
In the Game Live!!!-4 gameID=61428#gamePanel I believe that

Russia: Libe userID=36148 and
Italy: Somewhat10 userID=29241 are Multis
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
14 Jun 11 UTC
Can we program a variant where a single player can play all seven powers?
I was wondering if it is possible to create a variant or a type of game where a single player could control all seven countries to test out certain strategies or to replay some games that were played elsewhere (not on wedip)?
No points/stat/Ghostrating will be used or rewarded of course.
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Gunfighter06 (224 D)
11 Jun 11 UTC
Best Inventors of All Time
Who are some of your favorites? What did the accomplish, and what year(s) was it done?
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Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
14 Jun 11 UTC
New game, WTA, anon, 24h, 201 points
Please, express interest via PM or below. There're some selection criteria (CD's and experience/rating) ... can't really bother to define them, so let's say it's all subjective but everyone is welcome :)

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=61488
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TiresiasBC (388 D)
13 Jun 11 UTC
Insomniacs unite!
If you are up because you can't or don't want to sleep, even though you really should be, post here. Let's count and prove whether or not we are few or many.
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Serioussham (446 D)
14 Jun 11 UTC
New Game!
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Mafialligator (239 D)
08 Jun 11 UTC
Tell a joke!
There have been so many serious and argumentative threads lately, so I figured I'd lighten the mood. I remember a thread a while back that I enjoyed where people all shared jokes. I thought I'd make a new one rather than find the old one, (it was nearly a year ago). So share your favourite jokes, and laugh at everyone elses (or not I suppose, if they're not very good).
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The Czech (40297 D(S))
13 Jun 11 UTC
101 Point Live Gunboat
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JakeBob (100 D)
02 Jun 11 UTC
obama: yes or no
taking a poll on how many of you out there support/oppose obama. feel free to list all the reasons you like, or just your opinions :)
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Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Jun 11 UTC
I wonder if Kestas knew...
Did he?
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Darwyn (1601 D)
03 Jun 11 UTC
R.I.P Dr. Jack Kevorkian
In the wake of the death of Dr. Kevorkian, let us discuss euthanasia...what are your thoughts about it? Do people have the right to choose to live or die as they wish?
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uclabb (589 D)
06 Jun 11 UTC
Ways to play with 6 people
Hey, I am playing diplomacy with some friends, and hope to have 7, but it is looking a little shaky.... Does anyone have any ideas for how to play with 6 besides just having a CD Italy?
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