@Drano: I'm in the middle of an argument. I'm not a brat, but I am stubborn as hell and leaving would be tantamount to admitting defeat, which I will not do unless you give me a good answer to my current argument: (This was originally at Abge, by the way) "Now we arrive at your next argument: "As soon as you walked in the door, the contest had started. So, you had two choices: be out of spec (per the first bullet) or be late (per the second bullet) it seems that the second bullet is more severe, so being out of spec was the better option at that point. " The thing about that is, my teacher did something to contradict that argument: He let us try to make it fit. He wouldn't let us disassemble it, but he let us do pretty much everything else. So, do you agree that we could alter things after the contest began? If you agreed to that, then do you agree that if we could have altered things when the contest began, then unless there was a rule prohibiting disassembling the timer (which their wasn't) then it should be okay to disassemble the timer?"
So, if you can give a good response to that argument, I will immediately admit I was wrong.

I think we've gotten to the brunt of the problem. CC started this thread not with the intent of finding out what went wrong and how to improve in the future, but to try to garner sympathy with how hard his life is. He knows what is right and not the teacher who assigned the project, much less all you pin-headed morons on this site can sway him from his certanty. In the future, we should just cut right to the chase and ask CC how we should live our lives and respond, "Yes, oh great one".

Sorry, change all the "CC"'s to CM.

So Conservative Man is not actually a man at all, but a boy! Revelatory.

@dw: So, do you believe that teachers can't make mistakes? That if a student and a teacher disagree, the teacher is ALWAYS right? The teacher is usually right, but not always, and not in this case.
I did come on here expecting sympathy. I didn't get any. I am now expecting to either convinve you I'm right, or be convinced I'm wrong, depending on what happens regarding my current argument.

oops, I meant 'probably' not in this case, as I still might be wrong (again, depending on the results of my current argument)

"I'm planning on going on yahoo answers to see who they agree with."

ROFL FUCKING COPTER

Thank you CM; that is truly one of the best quotes I've ever read!

CM: If you want sympathy, I can relate (sort of, though that would be empathy).

I had to take a chem test quite a while ago. The test was extremely difficult and the teacher allowed us to correct the test to earn back half of the points we lost. I was sick on the day he handed them back but returned the following day and asked for the test at the start of class. He said that he had the test at his desk. Next day, I went to his desk and he said he had it at home. Long story short, he lost it.

When grade reports came out, my chem grade was horrible because of the test, which my teacher blamed me for never correcting. He is no longer teaching at that school.

In your case the fault lays on both sides. The instructions do not explicitly say that you may not come with the device already assembled (such dedication to a project might be admired by a good teacher). However, the directions did implicitly say that you could not bring the device assembled, by saying that you would have time in class to assemble, and that you needed to show that it could fit in the box. While the teacher is partially at fault for not making the directions very clear, you are at fault for not reading into the directions, and, when you were confused, not asking him. A lenient teacher would have let you disassemble and reassemble, but not every teacher is kind (or organized in my case).

Instead of brooding over this instance, which in hindsight will not affect you very much, you should look at it as a learning experience (I'm sure you hate to hear this). You now know to read between the lines (like in Diplomacy :P) and to ask teachers if you have a problem with their instructions.

As to the people arguing with you: Lay off him. You may think he's a little shit but remember: you are arguing with a middle/early high schooler, likely being bombarded with the full onslaught of hormonal rage, who is not thinking completely rationally. You were that war once but now are older and wiser (though this thread has me questioning). You can walk away; this argument is really not that important.

@CM

Do answer your question posed to me. Perhaps your teacher was trying to be nice? You're young and if you tried your hardest, it would be dickish to not let you reorient the project in the box. What would that take, all of 1 minute? Dissembling the project is on a whole other level of failing the rules and would be too time consuming. Plus, since your project wasn't designed to be taken apart, what happens if, in your mad dash to rip it apart, you couldn't get it back together. Big fat F. Don't you see your teacher was trying to help you out?

@Abge: As I said before, disassembling it to fit would have taken 2 seconds. Literally.

@KW: Thank you, and as I said on another page, I did accept part of the blame.

In fact, abge, I will tell you exactly what I had to do: Taken the very top part off of the timer, which was a simple matter as it was ducttaped. And later, I would have put it back on.

Oh, and yes he may have been trying to help me out originally, but I told him all I would have to do, and he still didn't let us disassemble it.

OK, then consider this: He allows you to disassemble your project. Someone else has the same problem, but there's isn't easily disassembled. Does he not let them do it, too? No, that's a recipe for disaster. So, he lets them take it apart and now they can't get it back together. So, does he fail them because they have no project? Do you see how this isn't all about you?

Who the hell would try to disassemble their project if they wouldn't be able to put it back together? If they did that, they would deserve an F. But yes, he should let them do it to, if they're sure they want to.

I've dealt with kids a lot and in a panic they do a lot of stupid things. I would never let a kid destroy their project because they didn't meet all the specs. If that meant being a little tough on someone else, so be it.

Okay, I understand, but you still have to admit it was still partly the teacher's fault.

Guys, why do you continue to respond to this arrogant bratty fool? I'm done with the fucktard.

@Draugnar: Did you not just see that I partly admitted I was wrong?

A better way to phrase it would be: Admitted I was partly wrong.

you took 25% of the blame. Try taking 40%, 40% to your partner, and maybe 20% to the teacher.

@CM

Yes, I'm not saying the teacher is perfect, and the penalty was a bit harsh, imho. But, I don't have the full story, and I certainly disagree that he (and certainly your friend's Mom) is a stubborn asshole. And, admitting to 25% is not going to cut it.

@Draug,

Calm down, I think we've made some progress.

@CC
"Are you really that fucking dense?" No but you seem to be.

"This page was the first page that I posted that argument. Therefore your response must be on this page." Why? Some of us are capable of anticipating arguments. I addressed the problem with allowing you to disassemble in a previous post.

You need to take a deep breath and move on. Asking Yahoo, your hairdresser, the Pope, some guy up the street, whoever is not going to change the mark that you got.

Yeah, this series is going to run and run.

Like the idea from diplomat61 re bringing in 'Yahoo, your hairdresser, the Pope, some guy up the street', though the Pope may cause some contractual difficulties. Also, it's difficult to fit him in a file box with a lid until he's a bunch of ash.

@CM: Take your medicine (including the advice given here), grow, move on and, ffs, lighten up. Otherwise I don't see a further season as marketable.

@Timur,

Do you think any spinoffs are likely?

abgie wrote : Calm down, I think we've made some progress.
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ROFL FUCKING COPTER back at ya, abgie.

When the Conservative Troll is finished with you idiots, you'll all go back into the chest in his bedroom beside his Snakes and Ladders game, his jigsaw puzzles, and his Yo-Yo.

Toys, all of you.

@Timur

What about a mapleleaf spin off?

@mapleleaf

Why are you so angry? :_(

It's not anger.

It's disgust.