Id rather find out if hes one of the 5 scum goldy. Or was that not clear?

That really was not clear, brain. It looked an awful lot like saying

"He could be in pile A, which includes vanilla town and scum; or he could be in pile B, which includes town PRs"

I will say that my reason for wanting to keep Balduran in the game is not something so altruistic as our being friends, but because I think he's the one I have the best chance of accurately reading.

Further, even taking everything as straight value, I can't see how as we currently stand you could convince yourself to switch from civwarbuff to Balduran. Their level of scumminess are not comparable, in my opinion.

Explain.

"Their level of scumminess are not comparable, in my opinion"
So one is extremely scummy and one isnt? (This is getting good)

Explain what? civwarbuff's scumminess? You believe his initial comment was a pivot. I'm not so convinced, but both of us agree that his deflection of the question and hostile remarks to Jamiet, and on my part the "nothing really happening" comment soon thereafter was highly questionable.

Versus what, a guy who may be softing VT (which again I don't agree with the interpretation, and obviously I believe my own interpretation of his statements is more reliable) and is in any case a rank newbie?

I know your votes have been all over the place and Moscow seems to corroborate this tendency, but I have to wonder how you decided Balduran is a better lynch than civwarbuff (again, as it stands - statements and reads can change tomorrow).

Yes, to be completely honest I don't have a scumread on Bald. All these things he's said are completely typical of him.

"He could be in pile A, which includes vanilla town and scum; or he could be in pile B, which includes town PRs"
(Pure fucking bullshit)

Part B was never implied. I said there is no way he is a PR. Thats worlds different than me voting him; then implying he could be.

I wasnt asking for clarity on of he was a PR. I was clarifying that by his own admission he has no promises he can make, no objective claims, and is lying

"Balduran doesnt like lying. But lying wont be an issue here for him because he has no promises to make or objective claims. So hes admitting hes scum or vt yes?"

That is your quote. Let me enhance a bit.

"So he's admitting he's scum or vt, yes?"

"SCUM OR VT"

What else is there bb? Please, tell me. I'd love to know how you weren't implicitly looking for PR there.

In every lynch we are implicitly looking for what is not our most valuable assets. Anyone claiming vt should be put under a microscope as godfather.

You keep trying to contort it to fit a narrative I am PR hunting while you yourself defend all new players as beyond scrutiny.

I made an observation this player says he will never need to make any promises or claims this game. That tells me hes not afraid of ever being lynched or nk'd.

No, brainbomb. What I did was find something you said and point it out. And instead of actually looking back at it and seeing that it comes off exactly as I'm saying it does, you called it "Pure fucking bullshit"

And now you're trying to defend it as saying you're hunting for godfather and that I'm the one who is contorting the narrative. That seems like specious reasoning to me.

Is it OK to vote for someone based on nothing more than a small thing they did in a webdip game. Legal and moral opinions welcome.

@Jamie @goldfinger @Captmeme

^ @HR @DO @civwarbuff

@Brain - I was Mafia 3 of 4 games here, this means my chance of being Mafia in this game is the same as any other player.
You asked about QT, what I can say is that it clearly depends on the players. M25 Chaqa took the lead on the QT being the more experienced ones (big mistake). Last one as we have many lurkers I tried to speak more but it didn't worked at the end. And M23 I was alone most of the time. But in none of them we discussed which page to post or something like thpat. And in D1 there is no coordenation yet, so I don't think it will help us.

Until now I find odd Moscow and Goldie behaviour. Moscow because he is so calm and controlled, not really like last games. And goldie because this stupid "will not vote newbies" thing. Newbies should be pressured like everyone else, and D1 is a good moment to do that because if they are scum they don't have any advice from the others yet. But I can follow his suggestion: ##vote goldie

@brainbomb - Yes, I know MF was joking with his 'anxious' comment. However, I feel like he may have intentionally referenced his anxiousness from last game in an attempt remind us of his town role there, hoping to link it to this game. No proof, just a feeling. I'll roll with it for now though.

Interesting that Snowy chose me to point out as someone he 'hadn't heard a lot from. Why's that snowy? Why are you specifically interested in what I have to say?

I'm not around for the next 24 hours. Will check in again then.

@ Maniac: If you were voting someone to punish them for their conduct in a dip game that'd be fairly awful. If you'd analysed their conduct in dip press and felt this gave you an insight into when and how they might lie or make false claims them that's totally legit. Why do you ask?

I notice Maniac is only asking people who are in a game from which he's just about to be eliminated as Austria...

Well, 5 of the folks he asked are, anyway. HR was a dreadful, shitty, obnoxious sitter in that game and halfway ruined it.

'Just about to be eliminated' - Dream on, I'm planning on soloing but we shouldn't be talking about a live game in the forum.

@GMs and Mods please ban JamieTý

It's not an anonymous game, Maniac. Don't be silly.

Now, again, why did you ask this question?

Goldie is refusing to vote newer players. Says lets lynch a veteran. Non veterans includes peterlund, ezio, rivera, snowy, balrund, tom bomb, civwar and zorclex.

8/17 players are off limits for goldfingers interest.