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Thucydides (864 D(B))
04 Aug 15 UTC
GRE scores
What's a good score? Share your score too, if you feel comfortable. I just took the test this morning
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alulahello (0 DX)
12 Aug 15 UTC
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halloween costumes 2015
I know, 3 months early blahblah. But I'm bored and I want to talk about Halloween.
Some people are into crazy Costumes and go all out to make them. Brainstrom ideas for costumes and how to make/obtain them. What are you thinking of going as?
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
11 Aug 15 UTC
Opposite Gender Friends leads to Lower Academic Performance
Interesting paper I'm reading right now. Not completely done with it, but its methodology seems sound.

http://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/app.20140030
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ssorenn (0 DX)
12 Aug 15 UTC
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this is interesting--watch the video
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/08/10/everyone-fails-to-ride-this-bike-you-would-too-this-is-what-it-tells-us-about-the-brain/
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P13ANATOR (100 D)
12 Aug 15 UTC
Hi I am new, quick question
I am starting a game with some friends, can you play with less than 7 people? If so, is anything different compared to a full game? Thanks :-)
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ND (879 D)
20 Jul 15 UTC
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MX: All Star Game
See inside for details
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
10 Aug 15 UTC
MAFIA XI: Confirmations
I know some people may not realize sign up thread is also confirmation thread so let's make that ultra clear:
Starts 8/11/15, 6 PM EDT
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guak (3381 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
When retards play gunboat
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JamesYanik (548 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
Fly Free My Baby :'(
I just sold my first computer, it was really old but i'll never forget its beauty. I never can think of things to bring on trips, but my computer was my best possession. It was like a Mac -1... you know, pre-internet
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
10 Aug 15 UTC
Ferguson
Apparently the anniversary of Mike Brown's death turned into a reenactment. Anyone know anything?
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2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
04 Aug 15 UTC
2015 Gunboat Tournament Ideas
See inside.
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trip (696 D(B))
10 Aug 15 UTC
Cheap Gunboats
3 games, 10 point, 36hr, WTA, HDV, Anon
First come, first served...
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ghug (5068 D(B))
29 Jul 15 UTC
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Pacific Northwest FTF
I've only ever played FTF with people who don't really care about the game and want to be done after a year, and I always feel a twinge of jealousy when I sew those people having fun playing in real life on that crappy coast across the country. This is just a post to see who might be interested in getting something set up on this side of the country. I'm in the Seattle area.
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Hlud (115 D)
10 Aug 15 UTC
Monday Evening Live-2
I'm trying to join Monday Evening Live-2 starting in half an hour, as it only shows 6 current players, but only gives me the option to spectate. Why is this? My RR is 100%
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TrPrado (461 D)
05 Aug 15 UTC
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Conundrum
So the people who make the schedules at my school are kinda dumb. I signed up for both AP Micro/Macroeconomics and AP European History. Only one class of each is being offered. And they happen to be the same hour. So I need to drop one and pick up some other course. I really don't know, so what (preferably AP) course would you suggest for me to take instead of AP Micro/Macroeconomics (because there's no chance I'll drop Euro)?
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
07 Aug 15 UTC
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DIPCON @ Philadelphia Massacre - Live
I'm risking life and limb to bring you guys the latest news all weekend and all tournament long.
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Check_mate (100 D)
03 May 15 UTC
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Not "Who am I?", but WHERE am I?
Have some time to kill. Ask yes/no questions to guess WHERE I am. If you guess right you go next. If you guess wrong you're out for the rest of the round.
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
07 Jul 15 UTC
MAFIA XI: Sign-ups
MAFIA XI: Sign-ups
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ssorenn (0 DX)
04 Aug 15 UTC
The dreams of solo--
Friends and enemies are welcome. 36 hour wta anon 50pt. Who wants action?
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Check_mate (100 D)
10 Aug 15 UTC
Cheating accusations
Without mentioning names or game ID's, can I please clarify something.

Making cheating accusations via in-game global press is not allowed, right? The correct procedure being to email the mods who will investigate?
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
08 Aug 15 UTC
New Italian strategy article
The army in Venice should go to Piedmont.

(with apologies to Chris Martin)
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MrcsAurelius (3051 D(B))
23 Jul 15 UTC
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Setting up a game
Hi, I have been absent for three years. Its startin' to itch, as Diplomacy remains my favorite board game! Want to play a game with a friend of mine who also hasn't played for a long while.
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
09 Aug 15 UTC
I'm still alive
Sorry about that.
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Octavious (2701 D)
09 Aug 15 UTC
Clause IV
The people's flag is deepest red, or at least it could be. Comrade Corbyn has been suggesting he could bring back clause IV into the Labour Party constitution. I'm interesting in what it sounds like to an international audience.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Aug 15 UTC
My Cat's name is Shadow!!! EOG
This is the difficulty of playing a stalemate line, and I done goofed.
gameID=165777
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JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Aug 15 UTC
I got a cat
she is shadow
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CL8At_SUwAAl-74.jpg
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CMurder (749 D)
07 Aug 15 UTC
Getting Germany every single game
Hi everybody, I'd like to ask if anyone has experience with an account getting a certain country every single game. One of my friends who I've played in several games against has drawn Germany out of the pot every single time. We're onto the fifth time out of 5 games he's gotten Germany.

I'd put it up to chance but we've reached 5 sigma and are on our way to 6. Thoughts?
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JamesYanik (548 D)
08 Aug 15 UTC
THE PREMIER LEAGUE IS BACK!!!
Join a Modern Live game as we watch Spurs and United fight it out, followed by the Premier League Season!!!
gameID=165741
Come on soccer nerds, you'll be on your labtop checking stats so just join it and stop pretending.
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OutsideSmoker27 (204 D)
04 Aug 15 UTC
Stop the solo or tighten up the draw?
Which is more important, in your opinion?
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
01 Mar 15 UTC
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The School of War - Study Group of Winter 2015
This thread is for the Winter 2015 Study Group of the School of War. Please be courteous to those running the game and respect any reasonable requests they may make. This semester the Study Group will be overseen by A_Tin_Can and goldfinger0303. gameID=155736
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
12 May 15 UTC
I think that'd be helpful ATC.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
14 May 15 UTC
Bump.
thorfi (1023 D)
14 May 15 UTC
ATC: Oops, I didn't go through the messages archive. Actually I was thinking of something that would appear at the top of the game display, but I think that maybe I'm thinking of something that doesn't exist. :-)
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
15 May 15 UTC
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A gentle reminder that the game MUST end in a E/I/G/R draw. Thank you for your cooperation.

Valis2501
SOW Chancellor.

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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
15 May 15 UTC
Valis: This is the study group. I think those are supposed to end in solos.
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
15 May 15 UTC
I'm up for that
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
16 May 15 UTC
bump
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
18 May 15 UTC
Germany:
http://tinyurl.com/kcjtc99
MarquisMark (326 D(G))
23 May 15 UTC
BUUUUUUUUMP!
So, I shall do some quick commentary here. Good to see that the game hasn't moved on too far during my absence. I won't do grades like I normally do until there are builds

There are some general things each person on the board should be asking themselves. Who is the power in the West? Is it England whom France is fighting back inch by inch? Or is it France, whom England has rallied a Grand Coalition of Germany and Russia against. For the non-E/F players, understanding who is going to come out on top in the West is vitally important for judging your decisions.

The other main thing I want to point out is Italy's actions. This should be very worrisome for France/Russia. Why would Italy be pulling back? Is it just to hold Ionian against Turkey? OR is an I/T in the mix? If its an I/T, why would Italy be deciding that? And why would England be support holding Sev? If its not, how come Italy has not worked together with Russia in the containment of Turkey? Turkey has clearly been expecting cooperation with all the support holds of Serbia (will talk more on that in my grading)

And finally Russia - you need to find a way to stop the bleeding this year. If England is the type of player who won't help you out, its reaching that point where you should sell yourself body and soul to someone who will help you survive. Be that Italy, France or Turkey
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
27 May 15 UTC
Moves for bump - wait what?
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
27 May 15 UTC
turn down for thoughtful-commentary-from-well-established-members-of-the-community
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
27 May 15 UTC
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COMMENTARY

The Best - Great work as usual, Russia. A+

The Rest - Meh C or w/e
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
28 May 15 UTC
Retreats are in
LeonWalras (865 D)
31 May 15 UTC
Bump for phases actually progressing!
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
31 May 15 UTC
Three within two minutes of each other, too
Apologies for not getting to this. Will put some up now
goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
31 May 15 UTC
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So let me do a quick recap. I held off on grades last time because I wanted to see what everyone was going to build. I was happy with Russia's destroy and Italy's build, but disappointed with France and England.

France - you will never, *ever* be able to tackle England while he has so many units sitting around the island. And right now, you're at risk for losing a lot. With comparative ease, England could take and destroy Holland, as well as punch his way into MAO this year. And let's be clear - if England gets MAO, you're dead. I don't care if you got to Edinburough as a trade for MAO. What I wanted from you are army builds! Punch through Munich. Shore up Belgium. Get that English fleet off your shores! That's where England is weak! Not at sea, defending Liverpool.

England - same could be said for you. Another fleet? Why. Right now you have 6 fleets. That seems to be about 2 too many. Baltic has been worse than useless this entire game, and now you'll likely lose St. Petersburg to Russia because of it. I'll go more into Russia stuff in your scores. You lack of armies will seriously hamper any future efforts though. Once I have 4-5 fleets as England, I try to never build another fleet again.

As for this phase's builds, I am upset with France for the fleet for the same reasons as above.
goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
31 May 15 UTC
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Autumn 1908 Grades

Turkey - A

Good job Turkey! Well done. The decision to abandon the attack on Russia and Jugg was a very good one. Not only will your territorial gains be getting some more traction now, but you have the unquestionable dominance in your relationship - always a positive. Russia cannot strike you without the fear of being obliterated as a result, so the reins are in your hands. I look forward to seeing what you do with them. Unfortunately, Ionian will take a long while to break through, but it isn't an insurmountable obstacle. Hopefully the West doesn't use that time to react.

Russia - A-

A similarly good decision on your part to decide to Jugg. For the first time in forever, you can now go on the offensive. St. Petersburg is a good and obvious goal for this year. But you should be wary of giving too much of the spoils of victory to Turkey. I would see if you could swing getting Vienna for yourself, or at least trading it for Rumania back. Your alliance with Turkey is getting you back on your feet, but you don't want to be standing up and bent over ;)

Italy - B

Turns out taking Vienna probably wasn't such a good idea. That seems to be what finally turned Russia against you. I don't know if you had promises from Turkey or anything of help, but I will at the very least give you credit for trying to break the stalemate in the East. Something had to be done, and you were the only one to take action. Unfortunately, this is a situation where the first mover has a disadvantage, rather than an advantage. What you should've done was get england to tap Ukraine while you stabbed Russia, allowing Turkey into Rumania. That probably would've spelled the end for Russia and improved your position a bit more, as Turkey and Russia probably would've remained hostile with each other.

As for your more recent performance, I can't say I'm thrilled that you attacked Budapest twice. Once it became clear that R and T were allied, you should've done what you could to 1) Get that third army of yours into play and 2) Lock down Galicia.

France - B-

France. Oh France. France France France France France. I don't know how you did it. I really don't. But you're still in this game. That you still have 3 armies in Germany is astonishing to me. That you control the channel and have a unit in Clyde is moreso. Your goals should be strictly around controlling the mainland right now. Don't get distracted by trying to attack the English home SC's. Take back Belgium, get those English fleets off the mainland and push through Germany to finish him off!

You have a huge opportunity/threat coming your way with the Jugg. How you deal with that is up to you. But I would say that if you want to solo, you want the Jugg to stall out, though not fall apart. At least until you wrap up England. And how you wrap up England is taking Kiel and Berlin for yourself, and not trying to beat England when he has a 5-4 advantage in fleets and well as an army sitting back there! Taking the mainland coupled with Russia taking St. Petersburg would mean England has 4 units to defend the mainland. At that point you can overwhelm him. But I think that your focus on his home SC's was premature.

England - C+

I gave you this low of a grade because I'm blaming the Jugg on you. Yep, that's official. The Jugg is your responsibility. Why? Because of Moscow. Because of your lack of armies. Because of the inability to get Germany back on his feet and pumping out armies. Moscow was the reason there was a stalemate in the East. You didn't help Russia or Turkey the whole time you were there. You just sat there. That is the worst thing a piece can do in this game. And believe me, I see the support holds, but you knew they would fail, so I'm counting that as just sitting there. That stalemate, in turn, led to Russia and Turkey working out their differences and making amends, to the great detriment of yourself and your ally Italy (and if he isn't your ally at this point, you've been doing this all wrong).

So now you've lost Moscow, will likely lose St. Petes (unless you guess right twice in a row), and will not only have a destroy, but now have to protect Scandinavia as well. Oh, and your German lands and ally will now likely become Russian again in the near future as well. This is a disaster. And its all because you and France can't work things out OR because you can't just put the nail in the coffin on France. There are so many ways it could've been done. Why Holland is still blue I will never know. Holland should've been your priority over that French fleet in the channel. And you had a German army to cover Kiel. Who cares if you lose it, Germany has been your ally! His gain is your gain. And with the French fleet you let slip behind your lines, France and Russia now have multiple ways in which they can work together. More bad news for you.

Remember, France can surround your island with as many fleets as he wants. Until he gets an army there (which he won't) you will never risk losing your home SC's. Why not let himself overextend there and concentrate on getting dots on the mainland. The low countries, Ruhr, Munich should all have friendly armies sitting on them right now. Those losses would cause France to disband any fleets that are still pestering you.

Something on your mind should also be - at what point do I convince Italy to cave into the Jugg and come west. Overextend France to the north a bit more, have Italy stream west and take Marseilles and Spain. Who knows, he might be able to get the builds in time to save the Italian peninsula from Turkey. Something for you to chew on.

Germany - C+

So, I'm giving you this grade because I'm disappointed you haven't gotten a second center yet. Russia destroying an army in Munich was a golden opportunity to either court France or England to get you into it. But neither happened. Well England tried to make it happen, but you needed him to full-out assault Holland in the spring if you ever wanted it to work in the fall. Remember, you owe your loyalty to no one! If they won't get you a second center, flip and work with someone else. You have Turkey coming to the region now, and a likely Russian build in Warsaw next year. That gives you more players to make deals with. I want you with a 2nd SC come fall. Make it happen!
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
03 Jun 15 UTC
Bump for moves
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
05 Jun 15 UTC
Bump for disturbing lack of moves. Italy, are you there?
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
05 Jun 15 UTC
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I happen to believe this is not the only game he's NMR / missing in, so I don't think it's a case of him simply forgetting about this game in particular.

I expect him to make moves As Soon As He Logs In.

If he continues to be MIA by the end of Monday, I'll consider replacing him.

Thank you for your patience everyone.
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
09 Jun 15 UTC
It is the end of Monday and Italy has not logged in. I am officially opening a Call for Applications for taking over Italy. Please contact me by PM if interested.
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
10 Jun 15 UTC
a replacement has been found and I'll be coordinating the swapping later today
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
11 Jun 15 UTC
The replacement has joined and I have unpaused and reset the phase to allow acclimation.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
11 Jun 15 UTC
Maybe some comments on this phase to help acclimation?
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
13 Jun 15 UTC
Bump4Moves
Draffin (172 D)
13 Jun 15 UTC
Post for the star
A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
13 Jun 15 UTC
Wow, this snuck up on me. Sorry everyone!

Autumn 1909 commentary:

First moves from the new Italy!

Something that I think isn't acknowledged often in discussions about online games is player replacement. Many experienced players claim that the personality and press style matter more than that strategies in play - and critically, when a player is replaced this is what changes the most. I meant to post this before the phase change, but:

***For the new player***

You have a great advantage here, in that you have nearly 10 years of press from the other countries, but they (usually) don't have any information on you. Have a read through at least the most recent messages from every country, and get a read on whether or not they're trustworthy, and what kind of messages they send. You can also see how they reacted to press from the previous Italy. Are there players who reacted badly to being told what to do? Or are there players who want to hear your tactical suggestions? What about the press that the previous italy sent? Can you tell what their plan was, from the deals they were making? Is it a good plan? Do you want to stick to it?

A great tool which you don't get to use in a game where you *aren't* the replacement is "well, that guy was clearly an idiot - let's do this other plan instead". It's a great way to instantly mend a relationship that had broken down completely - if another player was mad at your previous player, they aren't necessarily mad at you.

Another thing that's very useful is "Can you send me a summary of the deals we had together?" This will not only tell you what the existing players think was important, but you can cross check it with the existing press to determine if they're telling the truth.

***For the existing players***

You're (usually) in the dark about the new player and how they like to play - so this is a great time to ask questions. Maybe the replacing player is entering the game with a pre-established alliance that they hate. Or, maybe they have a favourite alliance that they're not yet in. Can you use that? Often replacement players come in to the game with a plan in mind ("hey, that position looks fun to take over -I could stab Germany and roll with France"). What is this plan? Can it benefit you? Is this new player more or less trustworthy than the old one? And how can you tell, quickly?

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***Turkey/Russia***

Good job on securing yourself a build. I think that Turkey gets the far better deal out of this arrangement, but hey - Russia is still alive, which I wouldn't have predicted a few seasons ago. Russia's build will show a lot about what he plans to do next, and I think both options are good.

Turkey, I like your fleet movements this turn, although I think you could have done better long term by working with Italy. With all four of your fleets bearing down on Italy, It's looking like that's less of an option now.

Turkey: Where are your 18 centres?
Russia: Where are Turkey's 18 centres?

***Italy***

It looks like you still have an enemy in Turkey -maybe you weren't able to repair that relationship, or maybe Turkey had it in for you no matter what. I hope you're looking around for a friend to use against him.

Good work with your fleets - a solid defence that was a good response to Turkey's moves. I don't like Tri->Ser, though. Looks like Russia promised you support to Serbia? That seems unlikely to work, even if he came through with it - since you know that Turkey is trying to arrange to pick up Budapest, any support is likely to be cut.

I think it would have been better to offer Russia support to Serbia - combined with Vie->Bud, Russia would get a build and you'd get a friend (assuming Russia knows Turkey's moves, which is likely - you can even suggest to Russia that he and Turkey go for the same moves again).

***Germany***

Please please get a second centre. I want to put up a banner in my house that reads "Go The_Captain1234", and you having a second centre would be reason enough. Unfortunately, both of your neighbours seem to want you not to have a second centre. What arguments could you use to convince one of them to give you a build?

***England***

I'm going to go back over some previous phases and write up some missing commentary. For you - I think you have too many fleets, and it's starting to really cost you.You have only four units that can be used to further your position, and three of them are fleets. Fleets can't reach most of your enemy.

Where is your next centre coming from? I see three possible options, and I think two of them make your position actively worse, while the other one is going to be very difficult to take. You're the board leader with 9 - but I can't count to 10 centres for you, let alone 18 :(

How are you going to turn that around? How is your 9 centres going to turn into a possible 18?

***France***

This war with England is helping neither of you. And, while you both have so many fleets, you're locked in to it.

Why this obsession with getting on to the British Isles? With one of England's (three) armies there, you're not going to get much from him. How much better would it have been to accept the Bel/Hol swap, and pop that fleet in Pic? England could have rebuilt an army, and you could have worked together.

I'm not saying that you should work with him (although I think you should), I'm saying that while he has so many fleets you CANNOT work with him. And an enemy who has the opportunity to work with you is categorically better than one who doesn't.

My questions to you are:

1) Where is your next centre coming from? Can you hold it?
2) Come up with say... three options for your next centre. What does the board look like 4 years after you take each one? Which option is best for you?

Countries I would take over this phase:

Turkey
Russia
Italy
Germany
A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
13 Jun 15 UTC
I'm going to highlight a couple of things that have happened in the past few turns (where we have missed commentary, sorry about that). In this past commentary, I'm going to go in to depth about one or two things, rather than give overall commentary.

**COMMENTARY FROM THE PAST: Spring 1906**

Spring 1906: Turkey lost Sevastopol, but I don't think it was necessary. Let's recap the position:

Russia: Armies in Bud, Gal, Ukr, Mos
Turkey: Armies in Ser, Rum, Sev, and a fleet in the Black Sea.

Russia can double attack Sev, triple attack Rum, and/or cut any support from Ser or Sev. Bla is the only unit that can provide unbroken support, and so it feels like a 50/50 guess. Except, I think you can do better.

Let's assume Russia orders straight up attacks on the centers you've just taken from him (the most aggressive assumption). In that case, we have:

1) Bud->Rum
2) Gal->Rum
3) Ukr->Rum
(in each case the others support, and Mos->Sev)
4) Ukr->Sev s by Mos, Gal->Rum s by Bud
5) Ukr->Sev s by Mos, Bud->Rum s by Gal
6) Mos->Sev s by Ukr, Gal->rum s by Bud
7) Mos->Sev s by Ukr, Bud->rum s by Gal

The orders Turkey made were:

Ser->Bud
Sev->Ukr
Rum s Sev->Ukr
Bla s Rum

These defend successfully against all three Rumania attacks, in the hope that Russia doesn't attack Sev. In the Russian orders above we have:

1-3 = lose nothing
4-7 = lose Sev, forced disband

The Ser->Bud order is great, as it cuts support and opens Serbia for a retreat if Rum does get taken from Bud (although Rumania can't be taken with the rest of the Turkish orders). If Russia does somehow get into Rumania from Bud, then the Turkish position is strong - Bud, Ser, Bul, Sev, Bla.

I don't like the support with Rum- there is only one set of orders where Rumania isn't cut, which means that the order is likely wasted.

In this position you could have ordered:

Sev->Ukr
Rum->Ukr
Ser->Bud
Bla->Rum

This would give you:

1,7 = lose Rum, gain position

2,6 = lose nothing

3 = lose Rum and Sev, gain position (Russia is in Sev, Rum, Gal, Bud, you're in Serb, Bul, Bla, Arm and Ukr(!), on the other side of the line) From here, you can ensure you retake Sev, and have the opportunity to take Mos or Warsaw, or potentially pop the army in Rum (forcing an out of position rebuild). All of your units are useful.

4 = lose Sev, but get Ukr (Russia has Gal, Bud, Sev, Mos, you have Serb, Bul, Ukr, Bla, Arm). You can defend Rum, and retake Sev while guessing about Moscow and Warsaw.

5 = lose Sev and Rum, but get Ukr. Russia has Gal, Rum, Sev, Mos, you have Bud, Ukr, Bul, Bla, Arm. This position isn't great if Italy is hostile and in Trieste.

While we're here - I'm not a fan of Alb support Ionian - that's only useful if Italy uses two units to attack Ionian - but he either wasn't attacking, or would have hit with three. Instead, Alb->Trieste would have been much stronger - you could even have asked Italy for the bounce if you weren't ready to make moves he wasn't expecting.

Of course, sometimes in Diplomacy, even the best tactics won't help. I was discussing this position with peterwiggin, and he pointed out that there's a bigger strategy and diplomacy issue here:

"No matter what Turkey did, he was going to have a hard time taking Russia down without help from Italy, England, or both. In this case, if he had done what you suggested, he would not have lost Sevastapol, but he still would have been stalemated by Russia with Italy outnumbering him in the Med, and I'm not sure there's any set of moves that really prevents that as long as Russia doesn't move in a way that gives up Ukraine. The bigger problem for Turkey is just that his stab was not well-timed."

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