Finished: 04 AM Fri 15 May 15 UTC
Private SOW Winter 2015
2 days /phase
Pot: 37 D - Spring, 1909, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
16 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Some of you may be saddened or jealous that I just referred to the Kaiser by the pet name Snugglebug. I would like to apologize profusely if that is the case. And I would also want you to know that my having such a affectionate or adorable pet name for my nearest neighbor does not in any way change how I feel about you. And in my heart I have an affectionate pet name for each of you. If I have not used it yet with you it is only because I am worried that you might think that our relationship is moving too fast.
Make it a great day,

-jenga
17 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: I would also like an adorable pet name.
17 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: I have had interesting points raised by multiple parties, so I will allow the phase to play out for the full allotted time.
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Good to see you already finalized France. Always happy to engage someone who is as thorough as you are in the diplomatic negotiations. Make it a great night.
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: I always have that problem with text that I can't tell if someone is being sarcastic or not.
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Turkey, it is good to see you here. While I do not feel comfortable sharing my adorable pet name with you in global (what can I say, I am the King of England and we English embarrass easily) but I have found I picture that I think captures our close relationship. I am working on the final details and will get it too you soon.
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Hi England,
Well, Ive already talked to everyone about the next few turns so that's the reason behind my finalization. Also, I really wouldn't call it that, since it's easily changeable. It's just my way of letting everyone know that my builds are pretty much fixed, based on the press that I've had.

Unfortunately, you will find that I haven't done much negotiation with you, however. I apologize but I do not regret my decision. You see, I don't cooperate with those willing to throw the game and make it less fun for the rest of us over something petty as a stab.

I do appreciate your efforts to rally negative thoughts against me and try to gain support from players around the board though. Very good use of diplomacy.
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Good Morning King Yoyo,

I am happy that you have decided to reengage me in diplomatic negotiations. It is a pity that it is to be done in the global chat, but such is your prerogative. Before we get into the discussion of troop movements, however, I wanted to suggest something to you. You should not lie so frequently. Allow me, if you will, to give you an example. You say, "Well, Ive already talked to everyone about the next few turns so that's the reason behind my finalization." Now, you have not talked to me about the next few turns, so that is an obvious lie. Beyond that, you admit to the world a few lines later that you have not talked to me. Now everyone has seen you caught in a deception. There may be some merit, to being the dishonest diplomat, who cavalierly lies without a care in the world; but some diplomats might have trust issues with such a figure. They might think, if he lies so easily about this, what else might he lie about. So as your friend and neighbor, I thought it prudent to warn you that there may be dangers attached to lying so freely. And the funny thing is, I don't see any reason why you should have lied in this circumstance at all. Perhaps it is a compulsion for you. And if that is the case, I am truly sorry.

This brings me to the second thing I wanted to mention before we recommence our diplomatic negotiations. I do not appreciate your attempted character assassination. I believe that the average reader could come to believe that you stopped negotiating with me because I threatened to you that I would throw the game. Would you suggest that that is a reasonable conclusion to draw from your comments? That conclusion, for anyone else who might me reading, is completely, factually inaccurate. Luckily, other readers already know that you are a deceiver, but it is still quite hurtful to be characterized so poorly.

So I would request a public apology for your slanderous remarks, before we start back up with our diplomatic discussions. I believe I am in my right to do so. Taken at face value, your comments could hamper my ability to engage in negotiations with other diplomats. What you have done is both a shady move and a low blow.

After the apology, I know I would be happy to reengage in our diplomatic talks. Either in our private channel or here. It is kind of freeing, in a different way, to talk in public.

make it a great day,

-jenga

ps. How can you possibly accuse me of not bringing fun to the game? That hurts even more than your bountiful lies.
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Lol you can't call me a liarbecause you misinterpreted my press. I did not include you in the 'everyone' because I would address your rare case mere sentences after that comment if you kept reading.
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Oh France, you bring me such joy. Here in jolly old England everyone means everyone. But it is interesting to know that in France words take on different definitions when it is convenient. On the good news front, that does not sound like the sort of rhetoric that a renowned deceiver would use...

I do think it is telling, however, that you suggest that I cannot call you a liar because of my given example, trying to escape on some technicality. You did not say "you can't call me a liar because I am not a liar." Why is that? Or is that a question that you do not want examined too closely?

Anyhow, make it a great day,

-jenga
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: So you are implying that because of I said 'everyone' but excluded you, that I just go about spouting lies all the time? Ok, makes sense to me. Go ahead and "examine" me all you want, you are just upset because you have the French in your back door and the Russians in your front.
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Everyone else can easily check their messages to validate my claims. Even if I didn't message everyone, it should make the people that I do message feel that much more special, unlike the the cheap claims and empty false cordiality you send to everyone.

Also, what slanderous remarks? I haven't said anything to you since you threatened to throw the game, and all I've said on the global chat about you (besides the fact that you told me that you would throw the game to russia if I didnt move out of your space and into Tunis and Italy, which you did indeed say more or less) was that you were trying to rally negative thoughts about me, which is obviously true.

Your manipulation and playing semantics is getting quite old. You pretend that you're on everyone's side when you're really not. You specifically instructed me to invade Italy before then you wanted me to enter the vulnerable Germany. I am most definitely not dishonest and anyone that I've talked to can vouch for me, your arguement is based on irrelevancy and fallacy.
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Fascinating. Yet again, rather than deny that you lie frequently you attack the example. Perhaps you no longer want to tell the large lies, which denying that you lie frequently would be. Perhaps you have seen your compulsion and the negative influence it has had upon you. And if that is the case, then regardless of my personal outcome in this game, I think that I have made the world a better place. I have improved someone's life.

You know France, people say that admitting they have a problem is the hardest step, but it is also the most important. I am truly happy for the small role that I have played in helping you to realize that you have a problem. I would consider it an honor to continue working with you as you are on the road to recovery.

make it a great day,

-jenga

ps. I do not wish to distract you from the path that you now seem to be on, but I do still want the public apology before we can get back to the nuts and bolts of diplomatic negotiations.
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Thank you England for showing me the light! I am a changed man, I tell you! I look forward to spreading the good word with my newfound perspective on life! Again I say, thank you!

With raging lust and exctasy,
King Yoyo

P.S. Im not a liar, nor do I lie frequently.
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Oh France, I see that I was mistaken and you have not changed at all.

The first order of business is this. The slander you have spread in global chat, and have now double downed on is this. "besides the fact that you told me that you would throw the game to russia if I didnt move out of your space and into Tunis and Italy, which you did indeed say more or less." While I appreciate that you are now hedging your statement with a "more or less," the fact that it is an inaccurate characterization of my words to you is still extremely slanderous. Furthermore, suggesting that I ever encouraged you to attack Germany is utterly fabricated. I have reread every message we have exchanged, which you suggested that we can do, and I never mentioned attacking Germany once. Yet another lie. I did suggest that attacking Italy and taking Tunis would be easy supply centers to take, and an easy path of growth. The evidence seems to support that that would have been the case. But that is behind us now.

So we have multiple lies that you have spread in global. You also lied to me multiple times in our personal chat, which I cannot imagine you will deny. So in every avenue that we have communicated you have been repetitively dishonest.

make it a great day,

-jenga

ps. Personally I think that referring to my cordiality as either empty or false is both rude and inaccurate, but that is for another argument.
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: I can quote you directly from the chat, but you would just call that "fabricated" as well. The "more or less" was placed because it isn't verbatim. That conversation spanned multiple turns and I have ignored every attempt of you trying to convince me to stab my allies.
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Also, before you get into "slanderous remarks," let me inform you of how this conversation was started. You addressed me. I apologize if I came off as rude in my first reply, as I was a little ticked off that someone would be willing to throw the game, as this is very cheap play in my opinion. Btw you haven't refuted my claims.
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: France I look forward to refuting your claims by using our private discussions to do so. I believe that you are referring to my message to you on Tuesday, March 17. That brings up two points. The first is your suggestion that this is a conversation that spanned multiple turns. If you are discussing the March 17th post then claiming that this is a conversation that has spanned multiple turns seems like a gross misuse of the truth. The second is that you claimed that you cut off negotiations with me because I threatened to throw the game. Since the only message you sent me since March 10, a full week earlier, was one of you laughing out loud when I asked you to lay off your attack; I would suggest that nothing I said on March 17 was what stopped us from diplomatic negotiations. Because you had already stopped negotiating with me on any real level a week ago. So we have another lie.

But enough on your repeated and frequent lies and stretching of the truth. On March 17, after some considerable time of you simply laughing at any diplomatic outreach I might make I said, "If you continue in your pursuit of my centers I will gladly support Russia into them to prevent your solo." My attempt to stop you from getting into a position to solo should I be utterly destroyed, does not mean I am throwing the game. It just means that in my dying breath I am preventing you from walking away with the game. I think most people, not just me, would prefer it if you didn't grow too large, too fast.

You do realize, I am sure, that you are the big bad on this board. I lack the numbers to adequately defend against you. Italy is completely exposed to you. Russia, though technically larger at this moment, is fighting battles on multiple fronts. So you are in the cat-bird seat. So while I enjoy you characterizing my taking a stance to prevent you from conquering the continent as reducing fun for others, I strongly think that there are five people who are not me who enjoy the idea of you actually not soloing. (in the pursuit of honesty I do not actually enjoy you characterizing my actions as such, sarcasm sneaking on through)

But now that we are being so open, why don't you (after scouring our private messages) please inform us all of when I said 'attack Germany,' or 'enter the vulnerable Germany' or anything of the sort. I am sure we are all waiting with baited breath. Because that is a complete falsehood, and I would like to see how you attempt to wriggle your way out of it.

As always, it has been a joy,

-jenga
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Lol
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: I was advised to not humor this ridiculous conversation. You are, in fact, the liar and I stand by that. I hope you are able to find someone who actually believes your foolishness.
18 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: What do I do with all this popcorn now?
19 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: I'm just throwing out a pause vote, because I don't want Austria to NMR and I won't be around at the end of phase. Austria's been scarce the last few days, so I don't know if he will be back this phase to put in orders or not. If he shows up and puts in orders then I will take back my vote when I return. If he doesn't could someone else try to get people to pause/check with Austria to make sure he doesn't NMR. It's not the worst phase to NMR, but I know Austria's been busy.
19 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: I put mine in.
19 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: A cursory look at the FAQ did not tell me what I wanted to know regarding pauses. What percentage of people have to vote pause to pause a game? How about to unpause a game?
19 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Everyone must vote to both pause and unpause. Pauses last forever, unless unpaused. The current countdown is stopped and then resumed on unpause (so if we paused right now, at unpause there would be 10 hours left in the phase)
19 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Ah, so it is sort of abusable. That is good to note. Although, I guess it is much less abusable because this is a moderated game.

And in this case, would we, should everyone else vote pause, get a moderator to vote pause on Austria's behalf? Is that how this would work?
19 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: I don't think it works this way - doesn't Austria have to be here to vote, otherwise it will fail? And if he was here, he could put his orders in.
19 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Yeah pretty much, but I was just trying to let everyone know. I'll let valis know so the mods can do something since he still hasn't shown up.
19 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: (captainmeme): I've put on Wait for Orders mode so no NMR occurs. This is a temporary measure - it will be switched off again once the player has entered orders.
19 Mar 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: (captainmeme): Wait for orders mode has been switched off again as the player has now entered orders.
20 Mar 15 UTC Spring, 1903: I'm glad to see that my efforts were not actually needed, but thank you captainmeme for the temporary safeguard. Valis wants me to remind those that were concerned about abusing pauses that:

"a game like SOW will have a close eye on it by the SOW Chancellor and the Mods and that infinitely/abusively long pauses will never happen in this game."
02 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1904: Peace out Austria. You will be missed.
15 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1906: (goldfinger0303): Paused by request of the SoW Director
15 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1906: Will we have advanced knowledge as to when the unpause will take place?
15 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1906: I just discovered that we can place orders while paused, so my inquiry is less pressing.
15 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1906: Hey guys, I requested a pause because I'm on a trip with severely limited internet access. I will be back home on Saturday or Sunday but most likely Saturday. Sorry for the late notice.
19 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1906: I agree with England. Can we have a notice of when the pause will stop, since there is only 8 hours left in the phase? Or perhaps set it back to a day or something left in the phase.
19 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1906: In case anyone missed it from the commentary thread:

"The pausing player said they would be back today. The game will be unpaused no sooner than 4 P.M. UTC to give everyone a little warning of the last 8 hours. Thank you everyone for your patience. You should be checking this thread for learning, but also make sure to check it for these types of announcements."
20 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1906: Thanks guys for waiting. I just got back today
22 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: Hey England/France can you guys put in orders? Thanks...
22 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: I would not dream of skipping an order. That would be wrong!
22 Apr 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: TREACHERY!

I mean...err..yeah.
28 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1907: Folks, it's my birthday, so apologies if I'm a bit silent for a few hours. I'll be around before the end of this phase, though.
28 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1907: Make it a great year rmf.
28 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1907: Happy Birthday! Just come back to us sooner than Draffin did... ;) That guy knows how to party!
28 Apr 15 UTC Spring, 1907: Happy Birthday!

In my defence it was my 30th and there was a lot of whiskey that I needed to drink with a lot of different people...and beer...and wine...and cider.
14 May 15 UTC Well shucks. I guess that is a wrap then.
14 May 15 UTC It was a pleasure everyone. Best of luck in your future games.
14 May 15 UTC Good game everyone.
14 May 15 UTC Yes, thanks everyone.

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Russia
Steingrim (404 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 9 D
15 supply-centers, 15 units
Italy
rmf (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 9 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
England
jengamaster (2422 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 9 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Germany
mrh308 (197 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 9 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Austria
sportsnut109 (291 D)
Defeated. Bet: 2 D
France
Yoyoyozo (182 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Turkey
Draffin (172 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
Mintyboy4 (100 D)Austria (Spring, 1903) with 3 centres.
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