Happy New Year, folks (as long as you don't live in the regions in question, that is)
Kompole, I started this to see what others thought, and to express my thoughts. Yes, I do back Israel 100%, and I will defend her here, but I not only like to hear what others think, I also think it is good- if you have a reason that you believe Israel is in the wrong, I'd like to hear your opinion, and in turn I'd like to share my opinion. I've changed "100%" opinions before in part at least.......
I like these discussions- as long as they stay in the green or at least yellow, not the red, if you know what I mean-
For instance, I remember I had a High School Class a few years back, a college-level course with really intelligent kids. And that class became the United Nations from Hell- me, right behind me a guy who was anti-war for America, next to him, a guy who was entering the Army no less, and then next to me, a Sufi Muslim who was 110% for Iran, the nuclear erradication of Israel and all Jews, was pro-Holocaust..... and then we had the Latino and African-American occaisonal clashes, and then our Asians almost always refused to talk to ANYONE if they were not Asian too.
Yeah. The teacher, he was a guy who liked a healthy debate, but it always came back to one of those parties clashing with their obvious opposite- most notably the Muslim and me.
Actually that's how I got INTRODUCED to Diplomacy. We had a class game for teaching WWI, and so we all factionized along the expected lines, and I led a couple of my quiet-but-super-smart friends as England- so of course the Muslim kid (name was "Khaled," he got freaked out when I finally got tired of him putting down Jews and pronounced his name the correct way- sounding the "h" like a hard, Hebrew/Arabic "ch" sound, the rest of the class had always just pronounced the K) just HAD to be France.
It was great- I flew out in front, took the Scands and Belgium, part of Russia, then crushed his France and took everything-
But Gaza- I mean, Portugal.
And there I was, 14 centers or so, a superpower (the anti-war kid was Turkey, also at 14 kidn of ironic he'd fly out in front, but he was one of those RTS guys, just hated real war, I guess.)
But no one enjoyed the game at all, because the thing seemed REAL. There were so many bitter factions, Zionist, Sufi, anti-war, pro-war, Asian superiorists, Asian pacifists, African Americans, Latinos- EVERYONE had bickered all year, and so the game became a sort of proving ground- each move became like a real, political statement.
So you can imagina how, after hearing "Jewish-pizza-oven" jokes all year how elated I was to have crushed the Muslim kid so effectively, sent three fleets in to take out Portugal-
And it was saved.
Italy, damn ITALY, had cut support at Spain and sent fleets. The leader of Italy- the ultimate pacifist in the class, a girl who was a student council member, straight A's, popular-
Ms. Perfect and likeable (and I guess that's a great persona for Italy, make your neighbors like you, it sure worked here.)
She demanded a 7-way peace at the start of the game- no, I said. The Latinos as Austria were crushed by my manipulating Asian Russia and through the efforts of anti-war Turkey.
Same offer- no.
Germany's head was a maverick, a cutthroat who was in it for herself (winners got a LOT of EC as I recall, like enough to turn a fail to a pass, and she wanted an A+, another preppy), and she and I worked together to take out Asian Russia.
Italy comes up, same offer- no. Italy was pissed she just wanted it all to end, but I had her far outgunned, and I was determined to not ony go for the win (I was always a top-2 power, me and Turkey were neck-and-neck), but teach that Muslim kid a lesson.
So France fell FAST, and I even let a couple of Russian lands go to Turkey to keep him from fighting me at the moment- I was still growing in power with the conquest of the Muslim kid's France.
So I attacked Portugal, and, in all honesty I HAD had enough, heard enough anger in that room, and I had no other grudges- I strongly felt that unless something huge happened that turn, like if I grew to 16 or so, then after the Muslim kid fell, I'd take that draw, take the credibility,split the EC with the other groups, and end the war.
But ITALY! She insisted the Muslim kid get his share too that we all be "in peace."
My response I can remember to this day, word for word, "If you really want peace, you'll let me crush this Anti-Semite, and only then will I draw."
FOUR turns, two full years, I hit Gaza- I mean, Portugal- but damn "France" held out with one fleet there and Italy's huge help.
And in the meantime, this had given the maverick Germany and anti-war Turkey the perfect opening to attack my eastern flank. Kicked out o fRussia, lost the Scands, lost HOLLAND- and I saw it all and could have blocked it, but didn't care whether I drew the game with a huge empire or two fleets- just as long and France DIED, so long as I made that kid pay........
In the end, we were deadlocked; I was the best tactician in the room, and so even with EVRYONE against me with their forces and me outnumbered 4-1, I still kept my English empire afloat and still attacking Portugal while defending my homeland.
After nearly three weeks all told, the teacher had enough. It was by this point 1917 (yes, I held out THAT long against everyone, dragged it out THAT long) before "America," the teacher, entered the game, and took complete control of all the other nations. He was a veteran of chess and Diplomacy, and this was my first game, and I had six centers left-
I drew, with them never having gotten into Israel- sorry, England- and yet having never taken out Hamas in Gaza- sorry, the French fleet in Portugal.
You may see it silly, but THAT'S what this real-world war is- that game. Israel doesn't want to lose face, just wants to crush the taunting Hamas. Hamas in a straight fight would lose easily, but with aid and a defensible postion, creates a nightmare for all.
And yet, if ONE of those other powers- Italy, Germany, anyone- had aided me or made me an offer to take care of my anger, an alliance (I had some non-agression and touch and go alliances, but it was mostly a solo I was playing, just me, the quiet kids in my group too scared to make a wrong move and screw up my strategy), something to end my fear and anger of France by giving me real help, that Captain Ahab situation I- and Israel in real life- faced would have ended on a much better, less drawn-out way. By the end of that game, aside from the fact I loved Diplomacy as a game, I was miserable- an AP teenage HS student miserable over pieces on a board, only they seemed to me like much more- and I wasn't the only one. A couple friendships were REALLY strained during/after that game, and I saw at least one couple break up after Austria fell (a Latino screaming "How could you do that to me?" while the Asian Russia just walked away with a sneer and a taunt, at his GIRLFRIEND.)
My point is this- that game seemed like real war for us, and it was wonderful and terrible at the same time.
This war in Gaza is just TERRIBLE, and needs to end- and unless someone wants to step in and help, the only alternative I would back at this point is Israel doing what it can to end it for her people. (I know a LOT of nice Muslims, that scumbag kid was a radical and a fluke I know, but, given the choice of whether I'd want Israel or Palestine to go, I have to back my people, and if that's bigoted, sorry, but I hope you'll understand)