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Hive Tyrant (46 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
MULTI ACCOUNTERS!!!
HERE IS A LIST OF MULTI ACCOUNTERS

AmestrisState
Anarchist09
Anarchy101
GRQ09
and,
ze fuhrer

Do Not Trust Him
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SlkySmoothOtter (969 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
New game for 50 points.
I wanted to start a game for a medium number of points, hopefully anyone can play if they want.
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pitirre (0 DX)
06 Dec 07 UTC
ways of communication
i only do my negotiations or "diplomacing" in the chat window in the game and i was wandering if any of you has communicated with other players using e-mail, messenger or just calling using your mobile or homephone.

i will find very thrilling to diplomacing using messenger or cel...but i never had the opportunity.

how was your experience if you have communicated using another alternative than the chat window at phpdip?

i even have a ouija! ;0) Maybe i can get Bismarck to play.
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dangermouse (5551 D)
05 Dec 07 UTC
Interesting Endgame
One of the most interesting endgames I've seen in a while. I wonder who's going to win.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=1977
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Kilinari (100 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
50 point game
Please join at gid=2392
Bet of 50
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AmestrisState (17 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
Re: Multi accounters
i admit that i am a multi accounter but so is hive tyrant with verycheesy and gorilla warfare, grq09 is my brother but the rest is true
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dice00 (100 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
New Game Started
Just started a new game called fun times
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Razz (144 D)
04 Dec 07 UTC
Say What???
06:06 AM Autumn 1905, Diplomacy: Your army at Ankara recieved stand support from the army at Constantinople, but couldn't accept it because your army at Constantinople tried to move

How in the he** can I give stand support AND move at the same time??
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Nick Douglas (408 D)
05 Dec 07 UTC
Hey remember when people abandoned games because they had no incentive to continue?
And then we invented the point system and now no one abandons them any more?

Okay, I wasn't around before the point system, but were there even more abandoned games than the 35 I'm looking at now?
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AmestrisState (17 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
hive tyrant!!!
he is a bitch for saying i am a multi accounter when he is as well
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sean (3490 D(B))
05 Dec 07 UTC
aspirational nobs gather yea swords while yea may
no new games started so i started one, for the aspirational newbies who have joined recently and want to get out of the below 100 hundred crowd. well the winner of the 7 of us will anyway.
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
05 Dec 07 UTC
Why not open a game bet 101?
That's to stop those wannabes from mucking up the games.
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Braveheart (2408 D(S))
05 Dec 07 UTC
Rules governing retreats
Can i just clarify the rules in this version of the game please..... if a unit is forced to retreat it has the option to move to any free adjacent territory? (provided no-one else is trying to move or retreat there)

Even if this means moving further away from your own 'home country', and/or grabbing a supply centre? which could actually be pretty advantageous.
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flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Dec 07 UTC
Where is meer?
We have one place left for Ghengis 2

(same password as for Ghengis 1)
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flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Dec 07 UTC
New Game: Ghengis 2
Nothing to do with the voting threads, but I have resurrected the Ghengis game I tried to start last week.

This is a small pot (5 points) but big on communication and diplomatic creativity...

Those who tried to join the first one, the password remains the same:

Who or what defeated the Mongol's in East Asia (one word).

Rait: you wanted to try a small pot game... I hope you can make it.

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Keyseir (100 D)
04 Dec 07 UTC
07-08
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2368

Game starts in an hour, 90 point bet. Need one more player.
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Locke (1846 D)
29 Nov 07 UTC
Greatest Diplomacy Player ever shortlist continued
The board as it now stands


10 Alexander (Macedonian Leader)
8 Bismarck (Prussian Statesman)
6 Ceaser (Roman Leader)
10 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
4 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabic General)
10 Machiavelli (Florentine Statesman)
2 Napoleon (French Leader)
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fastspawn (1625 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
what the hell,
I haven't voted yet, but I shall now, those that voted for bismarck remind me of bush supporters.
+1 genghis
- 1 Bismarck.

I would have picked khalid ibn al Walid, for the negative, but I am only picking Bismarck because of the rash of anti-genghis votes.
dangermouse (5551 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Khalid
-1 Alexander
bihary (2782 D(S))
02 Dec 07 UTC
Bismarck +1
Alexander -1
14 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
21 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
11 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
4 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)
Locke (1846 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
Bismark +1
Kahn -1

14 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
22 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
10 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
4 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)
Salmaneser (6327 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
The only thing Bismarck did, was fighting other, mostly weaker, nations, with the purpose to unite Germany. Should he have played diplomacy, he probably would just sit there, maybe take Denmark.
Genghis did the same, uniting all mongol tribes and others under his command, but he went way further. So I really don't get why Bismarck is that much appreciated.
Khalid ibn-Walid, if I remember correctly, just conquered some land for the islam during the 7th century.
Alexander is more complex. He didn't have to build up anything, his father did it all. All Alexander had to do, was killing some rebel leaders. On the other hand did he conquer one of the largest empires at that time with an outnumbered army. And he died very young, who knows what more he would (or wouldn't) have accomplished.
Kilinari (100 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Alexander
-1 Khalid

15 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
22 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
10 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
3 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)
figlesquidge (2131 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
If im allowed to vote again yet:
+Kahn
-Bismarck
Salmaneser (6327 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
+ Genghis
- Bismarck

15 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
20 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
12 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
3 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)
flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Dec 07 UTC
I am somewhat amused by the "Ghengis only fought weak opponents in small battles" thesis...

The numbers are on record. He fought and destroyed armies defending cities larger in population than anything in Europe at the time. In fact so much larger we are talking orders of magnitude. Even larger than those of Otto's day...

There were asian cities at the time that had populations passing the millions. London was but a town in comparison...

I would suggest that we should all subject ourselves to reading two books:

assuming quality, one about Otto and one about Ghengis...

and then vote +1 for the Khan of all khans...

Lynius (100 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
Let's get rid of Khalid while we're arguing about this...
-1 Khalid
+1 Otto

15 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
20 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
13 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
2 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)

flashman, I'm assuming that you intended a "minus 1" for Bismarck...
Lynius (100 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
Also, aren't we more concerned with "diplomacy" than "mass killing and destruction"?
fwancophile (164 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
flash, fast, sal - look, my candidates were the first two caesars but they have been defeated. looking at the span of history i am compelled by the creation of the german state from nothing to the most powerful state - a development which russia and england could, and perhaps should, have tried to stop, but by way of diplomacy, bismark succeeded. you add in that he tricked france into starting a war which germany handily won, this on the most armed and advanced region to that point in human history - all the cards should have been against him and bismark succeeded flawlessly.

for all the greatness of khan, the world was not as heavily or well armed, and most of the land under the dominion of the khanate was not all that great. central asian plains and desert - sure, it takes up a lot of the earth's surface, but conquering it isn't like super awesome or anything.
fwancophile (164 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
+otto
-khalid (sorry bro)
fwancophile (164 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
i also think you are discounting just how much wealthier and more productive (not to mention philosophically brilliant) germany was compared to every other country on earth at that point. the establishment of a german state was an ancient goal accomplished without serious bloodshed - this is not just peanuts.
Sirither (100 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
I'll second fwancophile's vote - Khalid ibn al-Walid is out of the running, and it remains to be seen who takes first, second, and third places...

15 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
22 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
13 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
Noodlebug (1812 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
Well Ghenghis shouldn't be behind Alexander, so lets even them up...

Ghenghis +1
Alexander -1

14 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
22 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
14 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader
whoami (178 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
Actually, I think that Alexander was greater than Genghis...
Genghis -1
Alexander +1

15 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
22 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
13 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
Salmaneser (6327 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
fwancophile, both arguments you mention there, were even so accomplished by Genghis. As I said, he started from scratch, ending up with a very large, well organised and civilised empire. Ok, maybe not as civilised as European nations at that time, but there was clearly an evolution, as we see under Kublai. Don't forget that the Mongols were nomads. It's true that it is not hard to 'conquer' sand, but imagine the logistic and communicative problems and the big chance of raids this brings with it.

Bismarcks final move, taking Alsace-Lorraine from France, was clearly a mistake, and would annul all his accomplishments just a few years later, while Genghis' empire was even enlarged, and endured much longer (divided in 4 parts, I admit)
Salmaneser (6327 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
15 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
21 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
14 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
fwancophile (164 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
actually bismark did not want the heavy war indemnities put on the french, but lost that battle to more nationalist (asshole winner syndrome) german politicians. can't win 'em all :)
Locke (1846 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
+1 bismark
-1 Kahn

15 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
22 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
13 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
Salmaneser (6327 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
Lol, still ppl voting for Otto.

fwanco, no german politician was more nationalist then Bismarck at that time (although he favoured Prussia alot).
fwancophile (164 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
all right - the jingoists.
fastspawn (1625 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
genghis did not conquer sand goddamnit you nationalist eurocentric pigs. read history to find out what was more "civilised back in 12th century AD, china or europe, Middle East or Europe, Eastern Europe or Western Europe.
fwancophile (164 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
i know that - but central asia? the caspian basin? a substantial percentage - approaching 2/3 - of the mongol territory isn't very good land, and was not well populated. sure, there is some eurocentrism, but eurocentrism doesn't mean there isn't a reasonable case to be made for bismark ahead of khan.
Lynius (100 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Alexander
-1 Khan

16 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
22 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
12 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
fastspawn (1625 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
where are u even comparing land area? C'mon china and the ME is way larger than whatever bismarck did "conquer" and as explained genghis started of with nothing literally but bismarck started of as president minister.
Noodlebug (1812 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
I think Khan gets it because he performed on a larger stage. China, Central Asia, even Europe proper were affected by his conquests, such diverse populations and civilisations and he took them all in his stride. I'm sure if he had to put on a suit and drink coffee with a King he would have given it a go, but I can't see Bismarck charging an army on horseback.

Bismarck's stage was the European theatre, perhaps smaller even than that, the German theatre. He had a massive impact in Germany, he brilliantly played other Germans, but Germany is just one little nation, and everything he did was limited to that little teacup. Yes, there were effects throughout the rest of Europe in the long term (2 "world" wars) but I still come away with the impression that if Bismarck hadn't unified Germany, someone else would, and things would have pretty much taken the same course. I don't think you can say that about Ghenghis.

So unapologetically, +1 Ghenghis, -1 Bismarck.
fastspawn (1625 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
and another point, what happened to bismarck in the end? he lost at diplomacy and had to resign from his post.

I kinda can't see genghis losing out at that point.
fwancophile (164 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
no, what i am saying is that when you discount what are in many respects wastelands, the mongol empire is not as superhuge as the coloring on the map suggests that it is.

actually, germany would never have been unified at all, or if it had been unified would have generated the ire of england and russia, had it not been for the brilliance of bismark. german unification had failed for centuries; the austrians were much stronger than the prussians in german speaking lands; the patchwork of free cities, kingdoms, and bourgeous-dominated trading regions, was too chaotic, and each part too strong, to have been unified without supreme skill. the number of times that attempts to unify german speaking people resulted in continent wide bloodbaths is many, throughout the centuries.

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Noodlebug (1812 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
Greatest LIVING Diplomacy Player - discussion/nominations only
While the GDP Ever thread is reaching it's climax I thought we could get some suggestions as to who might be the best Diplomacy player out of well-known people alive today.

While Rait is an obvious candidate, to avoid things getting personal we should limit it to people who (as far as we know) don't actually play.

Would it be a prominent politician, such as Bush, Blair or Gorbachev? Or someone behind the scenes, like Karl Rove or Peter Mandelson? Or perhaps the field of modern conflict is business, and the transferable skills for empire-building are best demonstrated by the likes of Rupert Murdoch or other major corporate CEOs? Would military strategists like Schwarzkopf and Petreus get a look in? Could renegades (from a Western perspective) like Castro or Bin Laden have what it takes?

This is just a discussion thread, so no voting until we have a result in the other thread. The most talked about (by different people!) candidates will make the shortlist.
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VIOLA (1650 D)
04 Dec 07 UTC
DRAW
When finish draw a game?
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sean (3490 D(B))
03 Dec 07 UTC
novice to net diplomacy
hi, first i have to say that being new to online diplomacy that after a look at the several sites PHP is the most accessible one . however i do have a few questions. what determines the "end of phase"? seems to be 20 hours, is it always 20ish hours? if one doesn't finalized one is in civil disturbance and all units hold? i use this sites map (in the my game section) so what"s the program on soundforge for? do i need to download it? thanks
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fwancophile (164 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
stuck
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2359
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Braveheart (2408 D(S))
03 Dec 07 UTC
Can your own units swap place on the board?
For example, If I had a army in Norway and fleet in Sweden could I do:

Army Norway move to Sweden
Fleet Sweden move to Norway

And if this is possible assuming no external factors, what would happen if England tried to move a Fleet from North Sea to Norway with NO support?
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Vampiero (3525 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
2 games in stalled
hey kestas, could you process two of my games in 'due now' mode:

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2299
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2190

much thx
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seattle (156 D)
26 Nov 07 UTC
Grand Festive Diplomacy Tournament
I worry that this is already turning into a farce, because of the seeding system - for instance, the number 2 seed in the whole tournament, Locke, is already out.
There might be more mileage in the following heat system next time:
Heat 1
1, 5, 9, 13, 17, 21, 25
Heat 2
2, 6, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26
Heat 3
3, 7, 11, 15, 19, 23, 27
Heat 4
4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28
Heat 5
29, 32, 35, 38, 41, 44, 47
Heat 6
30, 33, 36, 39, 42, 45, 48
Heat 7
31, 34, 37, 40, 43, 46, 49

Semi Final 1
1A, 2C, 3C, 4A, 5B, 6C, 7A
Semi Final 2
1B, 2B, 3B, 4B, 5C, 6A, 7B
Semi Final 3
1C, 2A, 3A, 4C, 5A, 6B, 7C

Final
1A, 1B, 2A, 2B, 3A, 3B and best third place

This makes sure weaker players can get into the next round, while also assuring plenty of places for established players. What does anyone think?
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Zxylon (0 DX)
02 Dec 07 UTC
Win %
I am curious about people's winning percentage. AKA Number of games won over number of games not won (lost= come in second or worse).
I have won 14 and lost 22. So my % is 63.6%. Its a different way of looking at rankings.
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
03 Dec 07 UTC
STARTING IN 1 HOUR...
...rocket launcher. ante is 14. we need two more players.
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Darwyn (1601 D)
30 Nov 07 UTC
The Point System
The debate never ends...Does the current point system alter the way the game SHOULD be played? This is arguable, but If the spirit of the game is to always play for the win, then YES!! The current point system changes this by allowing inferior countries plead for survival with the hope that they can retain some points rather then trying to negotiate with other inferior countries in attacking the superior country.

I am guilty of this myself.

But again, if we can agree that the spirit of the game is to always play for the win, here is what I propose:

1) Change the point system to a token system and keep it private.
Points are only be used as an ante to enter games with players of similar caliber...or to keep out players with lesser points.

What if instead of granting new players 100 pts, they are granted 10 GREEN tokens. Games can only be created by using ONE token of whatever color you decide. So, the new player can join up to 10 green token games.

Tokens are only lost if you allow your country to go CD. They are never stripped from you if you lose. But if you win or lose, they change color.

Each win allows you to change the color of ALL of your tokens to the next higher color...say, blue. After each loss, one of your chips will return to the lower color. So, after winning your first game and getting all your chips to turn blue (allowing you to play in blue AND green level games), each game you enter and lose thereafter will change ONE token back to it's lower color. Ten losses and you are left with ten green chips to play in only green level games. You need only one token of ten to be blue to change ALL tokens to the next higher color, say red. Ten losses after attaining your second win and you'll be back down to ten blue tokens...ten more losses and your back down to green.

Each token represents a game that can be played at that color level or lower.

Games are then created based on the hierarchy of color, not points...AND THEY ARE KEPT PRIVATE! No one will know what color your tokens are...they will only see ranks:


2) Show ranks, not points.
Instead of seeing, for example, Rait (8577), let it show Rait (Superior Diplomat). And make these rankings based entirely on WINS and nothing else.

0 wins = political puppet
1 wins = Apprentice
2 wins = Representative
3 wins = Negotiator
4 wins = Statesman
5 wins = Diplomat

Or some such. You could even further break these down into subcategories by using adjectives before the rankings...1 win = Lesser Apprentice, 2 wins = Apprentice, 3 wins = Superior Apprentice....and so on...

Add to this a nifty little color-coded graphic and I believe the dynamic of this game will change from a "I want points" to "I want to win and get my shiny new rank!".

I understand there's a ranking system in place, but as it stands, it's given very little weight.

Keep in mind that once you attain a rank, you can never drop any lower no matter how many games you lose or what color your tokens are.


These are only suggestions and will need some deeper thought as to how it can be improved and/or integrated. And I'm sure Kestas is very busy...perhaps it's even on his to-do list (0.78: Winner-takes-all-games?)

It just seems that every other thread on this forum in some way speaks to the short comings of the point system in relation to "playing to win".

Please discuss...
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yeunghauyip (1654 D)
24 Nov 07 UTC
Uneven random countries picking
I've just realized that I've never played as England here...
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mightyrobot (202 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
Due Now
I have about 5 games all stuck in "due now"....
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
29 Nov 07 UTC
The Maxims of Smart Jason...please give marks out of 100
Smart Jason's Maxims....by Smart Jason

Contents:

I thik you have al arger crime than I do. You have already been banned for doing multi-accounts for times!!!
When I did repented... I never played more thatn one. It is only your own prejudice... Just ask the Kestas if I have copied names like chairman Mao???
I mean 'well' but not 'when'
Irepented though but Gobble did not
I did repent but Gobble didn't
Well, Gobble said he repent, then how come he is still playint at least two accounts
Have a look there, and you will see...

If you can't find the game,
try to find Jabberwocky through the brothers account arthurmklo or adrianmclo and adrianmclo's second account Chairman Mao...
You guys accused me wrongly when you guys are doing the bad thing...

Now, everyone, if these maxims were a composition by SmartJason how many marks would you give him out of 100?
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