@ CM Now you are deliberately being obstinate.

...and obtuse.

Oh, and I'm through trying to explain it to you. you didn't learnt he lesson and you will end up flipping burgers at McDs after failing out of McU.

@Draugnar: What lesson did I not learn? Anyway, I didn't see your second paragraph on your last post on the last page. But still, how the fuck was I supposed to know that? Please, tell me. Also, what is wrong with disassembling it and then reassembling it? It adds an extra step, but so what? Plus, I thought the device would count as fitting anyway. Nowhere in the rules does it say the box must be closed all the way.

If it's not closed all the way, it's not closed. I'd like to send you through an training gas chamber and give you a gas mask and instructions and let you find the difference between all the way and not all the way. It might also teach you how to fallow instructions better.

@Warsprite: The rules never said closed. In fact, they are so vague that one group came to the competition with no lid, because they didn't know they needed one.

Like I said before and others have said they are quiet clear. If some one tells you to take a piss do they need to tell you to unzipp your fly first? Did the other group also get a deduction in grade? Did not the majority of your class manage to fallow instructions to your teachers satisfaction?

@Warsprite: 50% of the class followed the instructions correctly, 25% forgot to bring a box, and 25% had timers that did not fit. Now, If one tells you the lid has to be on, does that always mean all the way closed? Couldn't part of the way closed (which it was) still count as on? It does to me. Apparently not to my teacher however. But he should have made that clear. Or at least have given us a chance to fix it, once we understood what he meant.

That means 25% are airheads(California) because they forgot the box, 25% are no better than you in fallowing instructions, 50% need better class mates. Have you ever considered that one objective is to teach you how to understand and fallow instructions without someone standing over you.

God damn my OCD with making the little blue mail icons disappear, have to keep reopening this thread.

@warsprite: I'm done here. I followed the instructions. My teacher just did things that were never said in the instructions.

Yea waste of time. Sitting here drinking a beer and yelling at an argumentative kid.

@CM

Do us all a favor and never enter a field where what you do matters. I really don't want someone I love to be killed because you refuse to admit that directions even exists.

One more thing: "50% need better class mates" Are you calling me dumb? Because I happen to be the 2nd smartest kid in that class, I just happen to have Asperger's Syndrome.

@Abge: Fuck you

Also @Abge: When did I ever say the directions didn't exist? I followed them to the best of my ability. Now I'm going to bed. I probably won't even participate in these forums again.

"Bring your timing device to school on contest day in a standard cardboard file box (approx. 15" by 12" by 10")."

You were given the dimensions of the box 15"x12"x10". That is all the information you needed. By not being able to close the lid, that means it's impossible that you were within the proper dimensions. How is that not clear to you.

Honestly, if this was your first thread, I would feel bad that this happened. But after reading your other threads, you've shown yourself to be outrageously stubborn and ignorant. This is something you should see to, if you want to successful later in life.

Not dumber. I never thought you where dumb. Mostly obstinate, and argumentative. You need to consider that maybe you can be wrong.

Also I've seen a lot of smart people do foolish things including my self.

@abge: Okay, but I'm not disputing that the assembled timer did not break the rules. I'm disputing that the unassembled timer, that the teacher didn't let me convert to, did not break the rules, because it didn't. The teacher should have let me disassemble the timer a bit, so it fit, shouldn't he have?

Why? He said to bring it in the box, and it must fit in the box, and you would have time to assemble it if needed. You should have allready disassembaled it before you arrived. Because you did not your project was late or incomplete.

The rule was to arrive with all the components inside a box of the specified dimensions. Yours did not. Your teacher applied the rule as written. Simple.

Being allowed to disassemble afterwards is beside the point. With the aid of a sledgehammer most teams could probably "disassemble" their projects to the specified size. If you had been allowed to break it down then, to keep with the spirit of the challenge, you would have to rebuild it and demonstrate that it still worked. How many chances do you want? I bet the other kids would like an opportunity to correct their mistakes too.

Stop whining. Learn the lesson. Move on.

As for your Asperger's: do not use that as an excuse. In the real world, if you are being an asshole people will not care why, they will just treat you as an asshole. So you had better learn to overcome it.

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"I probably won't even participate in these forums again." = Result

@ CM: "· Bring your timing device to school on contest day in a standard cardboard file box (approx. 15" by 12" by 10"). "

There's a solution you missed.

The box dimensions specified are approximate. You mentioned before that your device was only half an inch too large. If you could have found a slightly larger box, you'd have been ok.

However, it's pretty clear that everyone who has responded to your thread is pretty much in agreement that you are at fault here. It's obvious from the rules you've posted that the device/components had to fit in the box. The box was specified as "a standard file box". A standard file box comes has a lid. Therefore a box without a lid does not meet the specification. Neither does a box where the lid does not fit on properly because the contents do not fit properly into the box.

You failed. Learn from your mistakes and stop whining.

*a standard file box has a lid.

Whats more disturbing that a minor class project you screwed up on is your simple inability to deal with the fact that YOU have to own and take responsibility for things.

You screwed up. News flash, it happens all the time. Despite their own notions, most High School kids are barely competent to finger-bang their girlfriends, much less perform complex tasks. Not to worry, you'll do fine if you can learn from your screwups (all of us have, I guarantee that)

But the first step is to understand you screwed up, and you're failing miserably at that... due to ego, or a misguided attempt to shift blame (onto your instructor, on to Asperger's syndrome, or whatever other bullshit you've got today).

Welcome to adulthood. There are rules here. And yes, they do apply to you, and yes, you will be held to them. You may wish to grab a helmet first.

You do realize that never in the history of humanity has so much electrons been spilled on commenting the whinage of an individual high schooler?

@Diplomat: "The rule was to arrive with all the components inside a box of the specified dimensions." If you can show me where it actually says that, I'll admit I screwed up. Otherwise, I did not screw up. It says the dimensions. But it says nothing about it having to arrive following those dimensions. In fact, my teacher gave us time to try and fix it, but he wouldn't let us disassemble it.
"If you had been allowed to break it down then, to keep with the spirit of the challenge, you would have to rebuild it and demonstrate that it still worked" I could have done that easily. It would have been a simple matter of taking something off, and later putting back on.
"With the aid of a sledgehammer most teams could probably "disassemble" their projects to the specified size." Technically, unless they had a sledgehammer in their boxes, that would be illegal. You can't use anything besides yourself that is not in the box. And even if they did bring a sledgehammer, they wouldn't be able to rebuild it, and they'd still get a 0. Now me, as I pointed out above, only needed to take one thing off and put it back on.

Congratulations.

You're a snot nosed kid. What is more, you're just like your peers, and you're just like many of us were when we were kids. (I was, honestly, probably even more stupid and arrogant than you, for the record)

One day you'll understand how stupid you are. But apparently that day is not today.

@CM

"Your entire timing device, with all its parts and materials, must fit inside this box."

You agree that you failed at this, correct? Your question is, why couldn't you have time to disassemble it before the competition? This is why:

"· The contest begins at the start of the period on test day.
· NO Late Projects - NO Excuses!"

As soon as you walked in the door, the contest had started. So, you had two choices: be out of spec (per the first bullet) or be late (per the second bullet) it seems that the second bullet is more severe, so being out of spec was the better option at that point.