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Sicarius (673 D)
13 Apr 09 UTC
who's a terrorist?
probably you.
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scottkwong (426 D)
13 Apr 09 UTC
Mod Please Help with Unpause
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9098

England was CDed when all other countries voted for a pause. Before the pause started (within 5 minutes), a new England came in, but said that it was an accident and was leaving the game. All countries, except for England, have now voted to unpause, and the game has not yet proceeded. Can someone please manually unpause the game? England never voted for the pause and said he wanted to leave, even if it meant losing points.
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nomoney (532 D)
13 Apr 09 UTC
stonebridge
New game up, join and lets start playing
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gomey (781 D)
13 Apr 09 UTC
Extra unit on board.
Could a mod look at this please? In game: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9655

England was just forced to disband two units out of four, but still seems to have three units on the board. The fleet in St.Pet shouldn't be there right?
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Invictus (240 D)
12 Apr 09 UTC
I found a gray hair today.
I'm 19.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
11 Apr 09 UTC
Turritopsis nutricula
This jellyfish is immortal. Literally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_nutricula
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Malleus (2719 D)
13 Apr 09 UTC
Potential multi-accounter (or meta-gamer)
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9625
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Javabeans (252 D)
13 Apr 09 UTC
Question on Civil Disorder / AFK player
Hey guys, we have a player in a private game that has not turned in moves after the first move orders. We were wondering if there was anyway to replace him with another friend who wanted to play, or the conditions until the game basically does not wait for him to turn in moves. I believe this is called civil disorder yes? How long does it take to get into civil disorder? Thanks
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Sicarius (673 D)
01 Apr 09 UTC
I'm on the news
not trying to brag or anything but I am very proud of what we're doing

http://www.wtol.com/global/Category.asp?C=151146&clipId=&topVideoCatNo=14996&topVideoCatNoB=129734&topVideoCatNoC=129730&topVideoCatNoD=129733&topVideoCatNoE=106878&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=3606968
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LOL Don, I had already cut the quote and was ready to paste it.

Yes Sicarius, where does that 95% come from?

And if I didn't pay my mortgage, I would expect to be foreclosed upon, and I would expect to call the bank and beg and do everything I could to keep my home. But I'd also accept the possibility that I'd need to move into an apartment instead.
DipperDon (6457 D)
02 Apr 09 UTC
..and this one from an early post "90% of foreclosure evictions are illegal anyway" Where does this supposed fact come from?
mapleleaf (0 DX)
02 Apr 09 UTC
Do the Chicken Hawks like it when you wear the hat?
alamothe (3367 D(B))
02 Apr 09 UTC
Sic, will you help DJ and DD with their foreclosure?
captainkirk (299 D)
02 Apr 09 UTC
I salute you sicarius. I am delighted there are anti capitalists in USA. Keep it up
DipperDon (6457 D)
02 Apr 09 UTC
"anti capitalist"? Why not just use the correct term, SOCIALIST.
captainkirk (299 D)
02 Apr 09 UTC
im a socialist, idk if sicarius is
DrOct (219 D(B))
02 Apr 09 UTC
Sic isn't a socialist, he's an anarchist. There are certainly some overlaps, but they aren't really the same thing.
DrOct (219 D(B))
02 Apr 09 UTC
to be clear DipperDon one doesn't have to be a socialist to be anti-capitalist.
diplomat1824 (0 DX)
02 Apr 09 UTC
DrOct +29.92

Oh, by the way, nice hat, Sicarius.
(not even kidding)
DrOct (219 D(B))
02 Apr 09 UTC
@diplomat1824 Thanks for the +!

I'm not really clear why I got it, but I'll take it!
diplomat1824 (0 DX)
02 Apr 09 UTC
If you don't pay for something, you lose it. Like a Big Mac. If you order a Big Mac and they give it to you and you walk away without paying for it, then they have a right to get it back.
diplomat1824 (0 DX)
02 Apr 09 UTC
Don't listen to Sicarius. The reason the economy collapsed is because people who could never pay off their houses got mortgages. Fannie and Freddie collapsed when the bubble bust, and the rest is just dominoes falling down. Our heavy reliance on consumption, which was holding up our shaky economy, collapsed when people started losing money and they got frugal. They started eating Ramen noodles instead of going out to Red Lobster four times a week. Our auto industry collapsed because GM kept trying to make the same cars in a different, smarter world.

Not that Obama is helping things by throwing taxpayer money into a black hole, with AIG executives at the bottom. Now, Obama and his liberal buddies are regulating the FREE market to death to make sure no one ever makes money off the stock market again.

Free market is the only way out. The stock market CAN save itself. It has done it before and it will do it again.
DipperDon (6457 D)
02 Apr 09 UTC
"to be clear DipperDon one doesn't have to be a socialist to be anti-capitalist."

Yeah, I know. Socialist. Anarchist. Dumb and Dumberer.
bartdogg42 (1285 D)
02 Apr 09 UTC
I would also like to know where those statistics are coming from, because don and dingleberry seem to be dominating this discussion.
Foreclosures are necessary for the markets to adjust. I'd have sympathy if people themselves weren't also responsible for subprime mortgages. Truth is, they were. As were many banks and finance companies.
Chrispminis (916 D)
02 Apr 09 UTC
If socialism is dumb than so is the rest of the developed world, and so is Obama.

Anarchism is more fiscally in tune with capitalism than socialism anyways.

The financial institution was bailed out. Sic is just bailing out the general populace.

I don't like it, I think it's a bad idea, but I have to give him points for having the courage to act on his ideals and not be an idle supporter.

But don't make up statistics... just because everyone else does doesn't make it right. =)
TheClark (831 D)
02 Apr 09 UTC
There are a lot of reasons for people going into foreclosure. There was a significant number of foreclosures in the early days of this crisis from investors divesting themselves of assets that were valued less that the leveraged position the investor had in the property.

Many investors walked away from the property once they were "underwater". This created a downward pressure on the market.

Most of the investment properties were rental properties. Tenants who had faithfully made their rent were being thrown out the these foreclosures because the landlord had not paid the mortgage.

At the same time, people who had received mortgages expecting to be able to refinance because of increased equity and improved credit scores before the expected rate increases were caught in a situation where equity was not advancing and a recessions was dragging down their improved employment opportunities.

Mortgage brokers, banks and investment houses were pushing more and more creative(risky) mortgage products. Underwriting virtually went out of existence as banks wanted more market share at any cost. These folks are the experts on risk and they didn't care one bit about whether the loan would hold or not. I know from personal experience that the average consumer has no idea what is going on with this stuff. If you tell them this is an amount they can afford, they're apt to believe you. Why shouldn't they. You represent the guys lending the money, you should be looking out for that money right? Wrong - most of these guys up and down the line were looking out for their commissions and were making sure they made their money before the whole thing blew up.

If you think this situation grew out of the normal, establish, conservative business practices of the mortgage industry of old - you are sadly mistaken. I am fifty years old. I was a real estate agent 20 years ago. I was trained to pre-qualify(pre-underwrite) buyers for every type of mortgage in existence then. The practices that were in place for the last 6 or 7 years defied every bit of underwriting wisdom since the end of WWII. You didn't need to be a Nobel Laureate to know for certain it would, if not stopped, lead to a disaster. If anyone says they didn't see it coming they are lying, an idiot, or so self delusional they should be removed from any position of authority and not allow to ever run heavy equipment. I would say that the whole bunch in the over-class should be charged with criminal negligence at a minimum.

There are a good number of people who are elected and otherwise employed to see that the industry is run in a responsible manor. Yes there is regulation. There is also a fiduciary obligation of professionals to their clients and customers. All of this was throw away and these folks knew they were out of line.

The banks are being bailed out and the little guy is paying the dearest price - being thrown out on the street. There are so many reasons why this bail out has to happen. As reprehensible the behavior of many of the participants is. There are as many reason for seeing to it that the little guy in all this is bailed out to a degree as well. It has a lot to do with maintaining the credit worthiness of the country to foreign investors. Replacing the lost wealth of the middle class.

I see a lot of arm chair philosophy spewing about this thread. These are the same discussions people were having in the 30's. Are problems are practical problems with completely practical solutions. The main problem is really about maintaining financial viability of the individual up through the economy. The solutions will be part socialist and part capitalist, but all democratic. If we can't do that, we will revisit the solutions to the last great calamity. Fascism, Communism, civil war, anarchy(the bad kind) Regional war.
TheClark (831 D)
02 Apr 09 UTC
Our problems instead of Are problems
diplomat1824 (0 DX)
02 Apr 09 UTC
"If socialism is dumb than so is the rest of the developed world, and so is Obama."

So true.
If you were being sarcastic -100000000000000000
If you were being serious + 100000000000000000000000
diplomat1824 (0 DX)
02 Apr 09 UTC
And now the bullshitters (aka Democrats) are bragging that the porkulus (sorry, Rush) bill worked, just because the stock market rebounded. It's all part of the natural cycle:
People start selling while stocks are good. As a result, stocks get cheaper and people start selling like crazy. Once the stock market bottoms out, people start buying again because stocks are dirt cheap. The prices rise again, and the cycle starts over.

Wow, I already know more about the economy than Tim Geithner. That's not saying much, though.
Onar (131 D)
02 Apr 09 UTC
And at such a young age, too...
(Sorry, but I had to beat everyone else to it)
alamothe (3367 D(B))
02 Apr 09 UTC
diplofool?
zuzak (100 D)
02 Apr 09 UTC
"People start selling while stocks are good. As a result, stocks get cheaper and people start selling like crazy. Once the stock market bottoms out, people start buying again because stocks are dirt cheap. The prices rise again, and the cycle starts over."

Or, people don't have enough money to buy stocks, or have lost faith in the stock market, since they just lost tons of money. Ever heard of the Great Depression?

By the way, Sicarius, I like what your group is doing. I admittedly don't know that much about how the economy works, but shouldn't the values of the houses decrease to an affordable level naturally, so that they can be sold?
diplomat1824 (0 DX)
03 Apr 09 UTC
"Or, people don't have enough money to buy stocks, or have lost faith in the stock market, since they just lost tons of money. Ever heard of the Great Depression?"

Wow. People buy stocks when they're cheap. Like now. And, we recovered from the Great Depression because everyday Americans stepped up to the plate and got up on their feet WITHOUT waiting for the government. Unlike now, where people are throwing unemployment parties and waiting for the government to give them taxpayer money from people who WORK for a living.

In the words of Ronald Reagan:

"The nine scariest words in the English language are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help,"".

He nailed it, ladies and gentlemen.
Chrispminis (916 D)
03 Apr 09 UTC
Nice post TheClark.

diplomat, of course it was sarcastic. I would describe myself as a fiscal conservative but I don't think that socialism is "dumb".

Your economic view is terribly simplified, and at it's heart simply fallacious. If what you say is true than capitalism would be a preposterous economic system because it would be so prone to these crashes which cause such dire consequences and suffering. It would happen "naturally" every "cycle". The concept of business cycles that you seem to be using is antiquated. It's now accepted that business cycles are not really cyclical and are unpredictable and do not follow a particular pattern. They're more accurately termed economic fluctuation.
Jerkface (1626 D)
03 Apr 09 UTC
I was always under the impression that Capitalism died with the great depression and we haven't had a shadow of a true, robust Capitalist society since then. Is that not the case?
The only reason the US got out of the Great Depression is because the US started hiring all the unemployed to build roads and bridges and parks and schools. Not because they 'got up on their feet without gov't assistance' but because the government hired them and paid them to get up on their feet.
TheClark (831 D)
03 Apr 09 UTC
Many people seem to confuse democracy and socialism. Many people in this post aren't quite clear on what capitalism is. We don't have capitalism in its mythic configuration of the laissez Faire period.

We have a society, a community, that is democratic. Modern democratic societies do not have, can not have, a specific class or group that dominates over the other classes or cliques. Laissez Faire proved unable to stop the development of economic monopolies and oligarchies from forming. This naturally leads to political monopolies and, or, oligarchies forming - ending democratic rule.

As our democratic capitalist system evolved we found it necessary to develop a way to regulate(eliminate) this tendency to monopoly and oligarchy. We still have a way to go on that one.

When people advocate capitalism, it is usually free market capitalism that they are talking about. A free market is a theoretical construct that is used to analyze the behavior of people trading items of value. Its can exist in the real world in all its simply glory - usually for a brief period of time. Free markets tend to last about as long as some of the man made elements from a super collider. Markets tend to become controlled by monoplies(single players within the market) or taken over completely by political powers(players outside, but with an interest inside the market). Monarchs and dictators tend to franchise monopolies on a market through cronyism and patronage.

The United States was one of the first countries which attempted to restrain monopolistic forces from gaining control of markets. Our policies have been used to maintain a price taker market ( a market of equal players) not a price maker(monopoly) dominated market. This has required regulation of the markets. Quite a paradox. To maintain a free market the market must be regulated.

Markets tend to become controlled and exploited. Regulation is require to combat this trend. Most of the modern industrial counties have some form of regulated market capitalism to make capitalism work in a fair, equitable and sustained way. There is no socialism in these concepts. It is done for the sustainability of Democratic government. Not to redistribute the wealth, but to maintain its distribution. Regulation of markets is required to maintain the very political underpinning of capitalism. I could discuss market externalities and the need to regulate market activity in these regards, but I'll spare you all.

The nine most reassuring words might be "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you." After all, It is a government of, for and by the people in any case. If you don't have faith that our government operates under that mantle then maybe you, Mr. conservative, need to be the one to leave. Find a new country that fits you better than this one.
Invictus (240 D)
03 Apr 09 UTC
"The only reason the US got out of the Great Depression is because the US started hiring all the unemployed to build roads and bridges and parks and schools. Not because they 'got up on their feet without gov't assistance' but because the government hired them and paid them to get up on their feet."

The Great Depression ended because of World War II. Hitler did more to substantially end the Depression than FDR. The New Deal was very important for rebuilding confidence, but rearmament and the increase in the money supply through the new economic activity is what solved the Great Depression.

It wasn't people stepping up to the plate, it wasn't New Deal programs, it was Hitler invading Poland.

I for one can live with an indefinite period of no growth or shrinkage of the economy if it takes a war to really fix things, and it seems to.

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djbent (2572 D(S))
11 Apr 09 UTC
is it meta gaming?
a theoretical question about meta gaming. i have my opinion, wondering about others' views.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
11 Apr 09 UTC
You all seriously need to sign up for this lol
http://the-state.mybrute.com/

its fun and a good way to blow off steam
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airborne (154 D)
13 Apr 09 UTC
Publishing a variant
Where do I go? I have two variants which I believe are great diplomacy experiance. Do I have to give out personal info?
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kman1234 (100 D)
13 Apr 09 UTC
fun 3 game
1 hour moves!!!
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xgongiveit2ya55 (789 D)
06 Apr 09 UTC
PPSC
Lets just get rid of it. Anyone agree?

Or maybe we should implement other variants as well?
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
11 Apr 09 UTC
New game.
All are welcome, living or dead.....
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Kaleidoscope (113 D)
12 Apr 09 UTC
Support Hold on Move
Just a question I was wondering about. If you move a army(1) into another army(2) (without support, thus does nothing), and army(3) tries to support hold army(1), does army(1) get the support hold bonus when someone tries to invade it with 1 army with 1 support army?
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CaesarAugustus (100 D)
12 Apr 09 UTC
New game, PhD2
Hi, we have a new game, PhD2. Pot of 5 per person and several of us know each other but that doesn't mean we're inclined to favour them over anyone else. We're just here for fun.
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New game
Made a new game, only 5 point wager. This is mainly for fun not for points, so join if you can please.
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Taelisan (127 D)
11 Apr 09 UTC
New Game with fixed alliances
I have started a new, cheap game. It will be played with a variant for fixed alliances.
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jadayne (283 D)
12 Apr 09 UTC
differences in playing styles as the stakes get higher
I've played a few games in the 5-20 point range and i think i'm ready for some higher stakes games.
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eliwhitney (107 D(G))
11 Apr 09 UTC
Could a mod kill this game - The coast is NEVER clear

I mistakenly made a private game called "The coast is NEVER clear". I do not have 6 friends, so please delete this game OR open it up to the public.

Thank you in advance.
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Daedalus (100 D)
12 Apr 09 UTC
New game 25 points
Audentes fortuna iuvat (fortune favors the bold), 25 point buy in, 24 hour turns:
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=10034
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Canada86 (100 D)
12 Apr 09 UTC
Steady the Mainsail
72 hour phase game just started, bet is 50, check it out so we can start playin!
Steady the Mainsail
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americandiplomat (0 DX)
11 Apr 09 UTC
Controls
How many different controls are there? I know /unpause, and /draw, but nothing else.
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greendjinn (0 DX)
11 Apr 09 UTC
Embarrassed to ask...
.....but this is my first game here. How do the pull-down menus for the moves work? For example, if I want to move and chose that, where do I find the options for WHERE to move? The FAQ doesn't seem to give much detail on the mechanics of the site.

Thanks in advance!
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Ukla (390 D)
10 Apr 09 UTC
Starting Placement
Is there some kind of placement by ranking that goes on with the computer? Just curious, as I seem to get freaking Turkey a LOT. Like way too often for it to be random.
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Quadsniper (110 D)
09 Apr 09 UTC
Quit/Surrender option
I'm fairly new to this site, but in a few games already I've really seen the need for a surrender option. In these 48 hour turn games, it's unbearable to wait the full turn limit for retreats when the player is obviously giving up on the game. I know not everyone would use it, but for those who are nice enough to quit when they don't feel like playing instead of wasting all of our time i think it would be great.
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Javabeans (252 D)
11 Apr 09 UTC
Is it possible to start a private game over or delete it?
Hey guys, my friends and I have started a private game but we have a problem. The move deadline is soon and a player has dropped out. While i have a replacement i would rather not let that country hold for the first turn so is there anyway to delete the game or restart it so we can start with a fresh slate? thanks!
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TheSleepingBear (100 D)
11 Apr 09 UTC
Help with move rules
Hi, can someone help me with move rules in this game:
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9866http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=9866 (see the reply for more info). Thanks.
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Hamilton (137 D)
11 Apr 09 UTC
Join Quick Game
12 hour per turn!
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