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Hive Tyrant (46 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
MULTI ACCOUNTERS!!!
HERE IS A LIST OF MULTI ACCOUNTERS

AmestrisState
Anarchist09
Anarchy101
GRQ09
and,
ze fuhrer

Do Not Trust Him
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SlkySmoothOtter (969 D)
07 Dec 07 UTC
New game for 50 points.
I wanted to start a game for a medium number of points, hopefully anyone can play if they want.
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pitirre (0 DX)
06 Dec 07 UTC
ways of communication
i only do my negotiations or "diplomacing" in the chat window in the game and i was wandering if any of you has communicated with other players using e-mail, messenger or just calling using your mobile or homephone.

i will find very thrilling to diplomacing using messenger or cel...but i never had the opportunity.

how was your experience if you have communicated using another alternative than the chat window at phpdip?

i even have a ouija! ;0) Maybe i can get Bismarck to play.
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dangermouse (5551 D)
05 Dec 07 UTC
Interesting Endgame
One of the most interesting endgames I've seen in a while. I wonder who's going to win.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=1977
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Kilinari (100 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
50 point game
Please join at gid=2392
Bet of 50
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AmestrisState (17 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
Re: Multi accounters
i admit that i am a multi accounter but so is hive tyrant with verycheesy and gorilla warfare, grq09 is my brother but the rest is true
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dice00 (100 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
New Game Started
Just started a new game called fun times
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Razz (144 D)
04 Dec 07 UTC
Say What???
06:06 AM Autumn 1905, Diplomacy: Your army at Ankara recieved stand support from the army at Constantinople, but couldn't accept it because your army at Constantinople tried to move

How in the he** can I give stand support AND move at the same time??
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Nick Douglas (408 D)
05 Dec 07 UTC
Hey remember when people abandoned games because they had no incentive to continue?
And then we invented the point system and now no one abandons them any more?

Okay, I wasn't around before the point system, but were there even more abandoned games than the 35 I'm looking at now?
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AmestrisState (17 D)
06 Dec 07 UTC
hive tyrant!!!
he is a bitch for saying i am a multi accounter when he is as well
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sean (3490 D(B))
05 Dec 07 UTC
aspirational nobs gather yea swords while yea may
no new games started so i started one, for the aspirational newbies who have joined recently and want to get out of the below 100 hundred crowd. well the winner of the 7 of us will anyway.
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
05 Dec 07 UTC
Why not open a game bet 101?
That's to stop those wannabes from mucking up the games.
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Braveheart (2408 D(S))
05 Dec 07 UTC
Rules governing retreats
Can i just clarify the rules in this version of the game please..... if a unit is forced to retreat it has the option to move to any free adjacent territory? (provided no-one else is trying to move or retreat there)

Even if this means moving further away from your own 'home country', and/or grabbing a supply centre? which could actually be pretty advantageous.
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flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Dec 07 UTC
Where is meer?
We have one place left for Ghengis 2

(same password as for Ghengis 1)
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flashman (2274 D(G))
03 Dec 07 UTC
New Game: Ghengis 2
Nothing to do with the voting threads, but I have resurrected the Ghengis game I tried to start last week.

This is a small pot (5 points) but big on communication and diplomatic creativity...

Those who tried to join the first one, the password remains the same:

Who or what defeated the Mongol's in East Asia (one word).

Rait: you wanted to try a small pot game... I hope you can make it.

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Keyseir (100 D)
04 Dec 07 UTC
07-08
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2368

Game starts in an hour, 90 point bet. Need one more player.
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Locke (1846 D)
29 Nov 07 UTC
Greatest Diplomacy Player ever shortlist continued
The board as it now stands


10 Alexander (Macedonian Leader)
8 Bismarck (Prussian Statesman)
6 Ceaser (Roman Leader)
10 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
4 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabic General)
10 Machiavelli (Florentine Statesman)
2 Napoleon (French Leader)
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Sirither (100 D)
01 Dec 07 UTC
-1 Khan
+1 Bismarck
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
01 Dec 07 UTC
Ooh. Machiavelli is dead!
I'd vote one more for Bismarck and one less for Khan.
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
01 Dec 07 UTC
Makes it:
13 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
23 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
7 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
7 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)
flashman (2274 D(G))
01 Dec 07 UTC
I have serious problems with this vote. If anyone has read my books, you'll know that Bismark was my nemesis...

Flashman
fastspawn (1625 D)
01 Dec 07 UTC
this frankly is the most stupid vote that ever took place in the history of mankind. People are just voting without giving a reason. and just voting down Genghis, why?
Noodlebug (1812 D)
01 Dec 07 UTC
All the diplomat lovers are backing Bismarck now they have lost Tallyrand, Machiavelli, Metternich etc. And they are all targeting Ghenghis because at one point he was so far ahead.

The warmonger lovers are split between Alexander and Ghenghis, both of whom did some extraordinary empire-building in their lifetime. I think everyone is indifferent to Khalid, so he is getting neither negative nor positive votes.

I'm going to go -1 Bismarck because while he might be good at managing alliances, there's no evidence he would have the strategic nous and ruthlessness to actually build an empire. He was all about balance of power, keeping things as they are, not conquest and victory.

And while I love Alexander, that comment about the Gordian Knot is still ringing in my ears, he wasn't a diplomat he was a bulldozer. Khan at least knew how to play people off against each other, so Khan gets my latest +1.


13 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
22 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
8 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
7 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)
flashman (2274 D(G))
01 Dec 07 UTC
Decent analysis there, and, as stated above, I cannot help Bismark...

so:

+1 Ghengis
-1 Bismark


Giving us:

13 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
21 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
9 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
7 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)

flashman (2274 D(G))
01 Dec 07 UTC
Oh, and I should add that a lot of the reasons behind various votes are given in the previous incarnations of this thread: the History Qu and then the initial rounds of voting.

My own gripe is that I sense that some of our illustrious members seem to view Ghengis only from the viewpoint of his military successes - which were quite staggering and difficult to look beyond. He was though, and this has been pointed out again and again, a negotiator par excellence. He certainly negotiated from strength later in his life but he also negotiated from positions of weakness to get started... And that, to me, is why I think he would win this game. His life, in many ways, reflects the development of a successful campaign on the Diplomacy board. Opportunistic growth, ebb and flow, outstanding movement of limited forces, consolidation, and then dominance - and all done with a great deal of communication.

He certainly made it to the 18 Supply Centres. Bismark though, although he united his own country and played others off against each other with great skill, was unable to achieve military or political dominance in Europe.

I honestly believe that Ghengis would win this game and that we would shudder to receive any communications from him, whereas Otto would be sitting in a strong, Germanic position at the end, but a distant second nevertheless.

Besides, the rumour about his demise (the unkindest cut of all) makes for a more interesting end to his story... ;)

There, all opinion and no substance - I should run for office.
aoe3rules (949 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Bismarck
-1 Khan
aoe3rules (949 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
*sniff* who killed off Machiavelli?
rexx78 (100 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Alexander
-1 Genghis

14 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
22 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
7 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
7 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)
figlesquidge (2131 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
I still can't believe Khan isn't winning!
Please will someone give me the reasoning behind Bismarck & Alexanders prominence?
dangermouse (5551 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
+Khan
-Alexander
fwancophile (164 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
in bismark created the german state which was assuredly the most powerful in Europe throughout his time in office. He facilitated this rise without bringing down the ire of England or Russia and he swamped France in 1870. In modern times the only other accomplishment of this magnitude is the rise of the post ww2 American lead international order. Its probably racist to say so but genghis was just a barbarian.
Juanito (9 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Bismarck
-1 Alexander

12 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
23 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
8 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
7 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)
Lynius (100 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Alexander
-1 Khalid

13 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
23 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
8 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
6 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)
+1 Bismarck
-1 Khan

13 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
24 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
7 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
6 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)
whoami (178 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Alexander
-1 Khalid

14 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
24 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
7 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
5 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)
Sorakan (126 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Khan
-1 Otto
fastspawn (1625 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
fwancophile,

obviously you haven't been reading any of the messages on the thread, or haven't read any mongolian history. Perhaps you got you information from Bill and Teds Excellent Adventure.
Kilinari (100 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
-1 Khalid
+1 Alexander

15 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
23 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
8 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
4 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)
Juanito (9 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Bismarck
-1 Khalid
15 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
24 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
8 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
3 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
+1 Alexander
-1 Bismark

16 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
23 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
8 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
3 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)
fwancophile (164 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
fastspawn, i've read it - i am just not compelled. its possible i have most legitimate reasons to not see it your way. in my opinion, bismark is far and away the most accomplished diplomat of the available options.
flashman (2274 D(G))
02 Dec 07 UTC
But we are chosing the best Diplomacy player, and for that we need someone who matched their diplomatic skills with their all-conquering exploits. Ghengis wins hands down on that score versus Bismark - as I said above, he is the one who made it to 18 Supply Centres across the world; Bismark created a single nation.
bflynn (146 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
bismarck planned and held. Khan just pitched the WHOLE population against boarder guards the very eastern european empires put. He never lost a battle in his life, that's cus he never really fought an even battle. Even in the few times when he as outnumvered, he always had his mongolian horse archers to pepper the enemy heavy troops. His troops were always better trained and so the battles were unfair, especially when the enemy was a motely collection of god-forsaken old and sick so-called soldiers sent to defend a place where they haven't heard of and die of old age.
2ndly, Khan never really fought the true western european soldiers, which were the best at the time, especially the heavy knights on horses, which when at full speed, could put a lance in a persons gut and send him flying and hitting 10 more people. The furtherest his empire went was to Italy, where they met the Frankish and southern gothic knights. His ponies were no match for the well-fed, groomed and trained chargers of the knights.
3rdly, Khan won by using the 'WAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!' tactic. He charged through the west, but was easily cut off, and his empire crumpled as soon as he bought it, which proves that his empire was based on a VERY WOBBLY base. Whereas Bismarck gained advantages through DIPLOMACY, lost very few to NO troops, and planned ahead, creating a great germany that was superior, and if Willy ii hadn't thown away, would have become a great, SOLID empire.
fastspawn (1625 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
this is like a vote to see who actually has more than a passing sense of world history rather than an euro-centric view of history. So far the eurocentrics are winning.
Salmaneser (6327 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
Genghis started from scratch, banned from his tribe with his mother and brothers, living in the woods collecting berries and hunting. His revenge actions gave him a reputation, and he collected more ppl around him, until he was strong enough to retake leadership of his tribe. It was small and divided after this, and in a climate of tribal wars, he realised he needed protection, and sought for mighty allies, which he found. He defeated his enemies, who had bigger armies, with his superb tactics. At the end, he backstabbed his mecenas, and united all Mongol tribes under his command, reformed his nomad soldiers to a very well organised war machine. With this army, he fought the superior Chinese on his southern border, conquering cities by using Chinese artillery intelligence. Meanwhile, he made trading agrees (naps) with his other neighbours, like the Xhi-Xia (Persians), until they backstabbed him. Genghis reacted by conquering their empire. He also sent scouting armies to Europa, to see how far they would make it without resistance. They made it to Vienna, when Genghis died, and they had to return to elect a new leader. It were his sons and generals who conquered parts of Europe after his death.
Salmaneser (6327 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
-1 Otto
+1 Genghis

16 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
22 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
9 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
3 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)
Noodlebug (1812 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
Well I'm convinced.

+1 Ghenghis
-1 Otto

16 Alexander the Great (Macedonian Leader)
21 Otto von Bismarck (German Chancellor)
10 Genghis Khan (Mongolian Leader)
3 Khalid ibn al-Walid (Arabian General)

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Noodlebug (1812 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
Greatest LIVING Diplomacy Player - discussion/nominations only
While the GDP Ever thread is reaching it's climax I thought we could get some suggestions as to who might be the best Diplomacy player out of well-known people alive today.

While Rait is an obvious candidate, to avoid things getting personal we should limit it to people who (as far as we know) don't actually play.

Would it be a prominent politician, such as Bush, Blair or Gorbachev? Or someone behind the scenes, like Karl Rove or Peter Mandelson? Or perhaps the field of modern conflict is business, and the transferable skills for empire-building are best demonstrated by the likes of Rupert Murdoch or other major corporate CEOs? Would military strategists like Schwarzkopf and Petreus get a look in? Could renegades (from a Western perspective) like Castro or Bin Laden have what it takes?

This is just a discussion thread, so no voting until we have a result in the other thread. The most talked about (by different people!) candidates will make the shortlist.
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VIOLA (1650 D)
04 Dec 07 UTC
DRAW
When finish draw a game?
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sean (3490 D(B))
03 Dec 07 UTC
novice to net diplomacy
hi, first i have to say that being new to online diplomacy that after a look at the several sites PHP is the most accessible one . however i do have a few questions. what determines the "end of phase"? seems to be 20 hours, is it always 20ish hours? if one doesn't finalized one is in civil disturbance and all units hold? i use this sites map (in the my game section) so what"s the program on soundforge for? do i need to download it? thanks
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fwancophile (164 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
stuck
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2359
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Braveheart (2408 D(S))
03 Dec 07 UTC
Can your own units swap place on the board?
For example, If I had a army in Norway and fleet in Sweden could I do:

Army Norway move to Sweden
Fleet Sweden move to Norway

And if this is possible assuming no external factors, what would happen if England tried to move a Fleet from North Sea to Norway with NO support?
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Vampiero (3525 D)
03 Dec 07 UTC
2 games in stalled
hey kestas, could you process two of my games in 'due now' mode:

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2299
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2190

much thx
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seattle (156 D)
26 Nov 07 UTC
Grand Festive Diplomacy Tournament
I worry that this is already turning into a farce, because of the seeding system - for instance, the number 2 seed in the whole tournament, Locke, is already out.
There might be more mileage in the following heat system next time:
Heat 1
1, 5, 9, 13, 17, 21, 25
Heat 2
2, 6, 10, 14, 18, 22, 26
Heat 3
3, 7, 11, 15, 19, 23, 27
Heat 4
4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28
Heat 5
29, 32, 35, 38, 41, 44, 47
Heat 6
30, 33, 36, 39, 42, 45, 48
Heat 7
31, 34, 37, 40, 43, 46, 49

Semi Final 1
1A, 2C, 3C, 4A, 5B, 6C, 7A
Semi Final 2
1B, 2B, 3B, 4B, 5C, 6A, 7B
Semi Final 3
1C, 2A, 3A, 4C, 5A, 6B, 7C

Final
1A, 1B, 2A, 2B, 3A, 3B and best third place

This makes sure weaker players can get into the next round, while also assuring plenty of places for established players. What does anyone think?
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Zxylon (0 DX)
02 Dec 07 UTC
Win %
I am curious about people's winning percentage. AKA Number of games won over number of games not won (lost= come in second or worse).
I have won 14 and lost 22. So my % is 63.6%. Its a different way of looking at rankings.
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
03 Dec 07 UTC
STARTING IN 1 HOUR...
...rocket launcher. ante is 14. we need two more players.
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Darwyn (1601 D)
30 Nov 07 UTC
The Point System
The debate never ends...Does the current point system alter the way the game SHOULD be played? This is arguable, but If the spirit of the game is to always play for the win, then YES!! The current point system changes this by allowing inferior countries plead for survival with the hope that they can retain some points rather then trying to negotiate with other inferior countries in attacking the superior country.

I am guilty of this myself.

But again, if we can agree that the spirit of the game is to always play for the win, here is what I propose:

1) Change the point system to a token system and keep it private.
Points are only be used as an ante to enter games with players of similar caliber...or to keep out players with lesser points.

What if instead of granting new players 100 pts, they are granted 10 GREEN tokens. Games can only be created by using ONE token of whatever color you decide. So, the new player can join up to 10 green token games.

Tokens are only lost if you allow your country to go CD. They are never stripped from you if you lose. But if you win or lose, they change color.

Each win allows you to change the color of ALL of your tokens to the next higher color...say, blue. After each loss, one of your chips will return to the lower color. So, after winning your first game and getting all your chips to turn blue (allowing you to play in blue AND green level games), each game you enter and lose thereafter will change ONE token back to it's lower color. Ten losses and you are left with ten green chips to play in only green level games. You need only one token of ten to be blue to change ALL tokens to the next higher color, say red. Ten losses after attaining your second win and you'll be back down to ten blue tokens...ten more losses and your back down to green.

Each token represents a game that can be played at that color level or lower.

Games are then created based on the hierarchy of color, not points...AND THEY ARE KEPT PRIVATE! No one will know what color your tokens are...they will only see ranks:


2) Show ranks, not points.
Instead of seeing, for example, Rait (8577), let it show Rait (Superior Diplomat). And make these rankings based entirely on WINS and nothing else.

0 wins = political puppet
1 wins = Apprentice
2 wins = Representative
3 wins = Negotiator
4 wins = Statesman
5 wins = Diplomat

Or some such. You could even further break these down into subcategories by using adjectives before the rankings...1 win = Lesser Apprentice, 2 wins = Apprentice, 3 wins = Superior Apprentice....and so on...

Add to this a nifty little color-coded graphic and I believe the dynamic of this game will change from a "I want points" to "I want to win and get my shiny new rank!".

I understand there's a ranking system in place, but as it stands, it's given very little weight.

Keep in mind that once you attain a rank, you can never drop any lower no matter how many games you lose or what color your tokens are.


These are only suggestions and will need some deeper thought as to how it can be improved and/or integrated. And I'm sure Kestas is very busy...perhaps it's even on his to-do list (0.78: Winner-takes-all-games?)

It just seems that every other thread on this forum in some way speaks to the short comings of the point system in relation to "playing to win".

Please discuss...
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yeunghauyip (1654 D)
24 Nov 07 UTC
Uneven random countries picking
I've just realized that I've never played as England here...
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mightyrobot (202 D)
02 Dec 07 UTC
Due Now
I have about 5 games all stuck in "due now"....
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
29 Nov 07 UTC
The Maxims of Smart Jason...please give marks out of 100
Smart Jason's Maxims....by Smart Jason

Contents:

I thik you have al arger crime than I do. You have already been banned for doing multi-accounts for times!!!
When I did repented... I never played more thatn one. It is only your own prejudice... Just ask the Kestas if I have copied names like chairman Mao???
I mean 'well' but not 'when'
Irepented though but Gobble did not
I did repent but Gobble didn't
Well, Gobble said he repent, then how come he is still playint at least two accounts
Have a look there, and you will see...

If you can't find the game,
try to find Jabberwocky through the brothers account arthurmklo or adrianmclo and adrianmclo's second account Chairman Mao...
You guys accused me wrongly when you guys are doing the bad thing...

Now, everyone, if these maxims were a composition by SmartJason how many marks would you give him out of 100?
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