SY - you been talking to hookers?

I wonder if Synapse will admit that the world is made up of 3 races...

SYnner - So offensive language *can* be used in a morally correct way?

OK...let's say we are using "offensive language" in the context of a political discussion in order to present and example and amplify a point among individuals you assume are rational adults -- is that an acceptable use of "morally offensive" language? To demonstrate a point?

Sbyv, the world is made of 4 races - caucasian, negroid, mongoliod and australoid. Look it up.

The Derby, The Grand National, 2000 Guineas (or Ascot Gold Cup)

It's acceptable, but not very advisable. Using such language in a political discussion undermines your point as it makes you seem irrational and emotionally involved. A cool-headed rational speaker will thus win the argument

Three: Japethic (Caucasian), Hamitic (Mongoliod, Australoid, Negro), and Shemitic (Hebrew and Arab)

That's not correct, sbyvl.

In what respect? Have you noticed that the Australian Aborigines are Negros?

No they are their own race. They originate from Madagascar, and supposedly colonised Australasia in small canoes. They are not negroids.

Not only do they look the same, but their haplogroups are very close to each other, relating to a common ancestor (i.e. Cham)

Well we all relate to a common ancestor.

SYnnapse - so if I use the word "nigger" in the context of discussions - to make a point - it is not advisable, but not morally incorrect? The point being made that our society has language that is "special reserved" for individuals of a specific SKIN COLOR (**NOT** national origin or any of your other special identifiers...)...and that these special rules based solely on SKIN COLOR (**regardless** of cultural upbrining, socio-economic, status or ANY other qualifiers...but SOLELY on SKIN COLOR) is a grossly racist concept.

And that the idea that BLACKS can use a word wherever, and whenever, and that whites can never use a word, regardless of morality, is a very racist concept.

Can you agree to that?

Glad to see one of your kind admit it.

Thats one point for creationism

Holy Jesus I come back to this thread and it's descended into arcane race categories circa 1870.

Understand that race categories are social and therefore completely fluid.

Anyway, krellin mon ami, here I respond to your rarefied inquiries, despite the fact that I see no need to "man up" as I don't define my self worth in relation to my gender.

"You think people should not be treated equally?"

I think people deserve to have equal opportunities in their lives. I think they do not right now, usually on the basis of gender, race, and class. You disagree. For this I consider you ignorant at best, bigoted at worst. Most probably you have a hard time reading other people's words and considering their points for more than five seconds.

"You think people should have special priviledge [sic] in their behavior based upon skin color?"

I'm not sure I understand this question. What is "special priviledge [sic]" in my behavior, or anyone's behavior? Are you asking about white privilege, which is a description of an injustice, or are you asking a normative question about whether people *should* have privileges? If the former, I say yes, white privilege exists, though it doesn't deserve to. If the latter I say no, no one deserves to have a special privilege over others.

"You think minorities and women need the help of white men to succeed?"

No. But I do think that the whole of society (in which white men consistently have the most power - an injustice, to be clear) keeps people in oppressed categories oppressed, and that this should be changed. I think that all people, oppressed or privileged, have a responsibility to confront these injustices. To that end a white male has a responsibility to care about the oppression of women, minorities, and others.

But this is not because women or minorities are somehow less capable that a white male.

Your line of reasoning is essentially this:

"For thousands of years these groups have been oppressed, and as a result they live lives of oppression in the present. To suggest that they should cease to be oppressed it oppress them!"

It would be like saying supporting the end of white rule in South Africa was oppressive to the blacks because it ignored the agency of the blacks themselves. This line of reasoning is clearly nonsense and I will not be replying to it any further.

You've really gotten hung up on it in the last month, but seem not be aware that it's a dead end. It's the ugliest sort of evasion to avoid confronting actual racism and sexism - accusing those confronting it of the same.

It's not advisable, most people discussing it say "the N word" to avoid being offensive.

The thing you are describing, blacks using the word with each other, does not exist perse. It is a thing that occurs through subcultures, ie the rap subculture, the lower classes. In some lower class neighborhoods a white kid will call black kids "nigga" without any offense being derived from it. I've listened to black+white rap groups who use it.

But newreaders and middle class people, whether black or white, don't use it because they're better educated and understand the meaning of the word. It is offensive to them because they understand the offensive meaning.

If I teach my child that "fuck" means apple, and she goes around saying it to me, it's not offensive, but release her to the outside world then it will be offensive to somebody else.

The point is that you know what it means, deliberalely use it to provoke/offend people, to claim your "RIGHT" to say it, which in itself is offensive because you're trying to challenge blacks by using the word "nigger". If you didn't know better, nobody would tell you off for it, they might educate you but not argue with you. But you do know better, and you should know better.

"The thing you are describing, blacks using the word with each other, does not exist perse" You are an ignorant, delusion fuck. It is used ***all the time*** within the black community, and anyone that is too much of a coward to admit this is either a bald faced LIAR or too ignorant/stupid to continue a discussion with.

Do some research, pal.

You have now proven yourself unworthy of having a discussion with.

Thucy, as well, with his dithering and excuse-making, is like-wise unworthy of talking to. He stands fast in his superiority and role as Noble White Liberal who will Save the Poor Dumb Inferior Minorities and Women from themselves...

Bigoted assholes....

Krellin, if you go to some really upperclass Beverley Hills neighborhood, you won't see the black residents going "hey wassup yall niggas" and enjoying big buckets of KFC with kool-aid outside their house.

It's purely class/culturally based, not race-based.

You are talking about a very specific black community, there is no "THE black community".

Sadly I really think your citation in this case is Chris Rock or Eddie Murphy.....

""You think people should have special priviledge [sic] in their behavior based upon skin color?"

I'm not sure I understand this question"

Thucy - you understand the question *precisely*...you pretend you don't understand the question because you know I'll nail your ass to the wall if you answer it the way you truly believe and demonstrate your *severe* racism.

SYnner - I know you are probably pretty limited in your exposure to anything "black"...to I'll lay it our for you. Jesse Jackson uses the word nigger in off-mike speech. Athletes use is constantly and consistently in the field of play and locker rooms *amongst* their white colleagues. Check out any comedy jam featuring black comedians (not just two old guys that don't do stand up anymore...sigh...) and most of your modern comedians use nigger freely in their routines. Check out the hip hop music scene, and the lyrics are loaded with nigger.

Your naive, demented, head-in-the-sand idea that nigger is not a main-stream word in the black community is, again, sever ignorance, or just a fucking lie. And if it is used pretty much *everywhere* in teh black community of performers/athletes/politicians off mike/etc...then it's a pretty damned safe bet that it's used in teh neighborhood. AND...this is backed up by doing a very, very simple google search and finding any number of commentaries by Black scholars discussing the word, who freely admit that it is used in the community...and freely admit it is *their* special word for only people of a certain skin color to use.

Do your research before you answer any further.

I *reject* the notion that Americans of a particular skin color have a right to special behavior. I think Blacks are intellectually capable of living by the same morality and principles that I am...so within the confines of discussion here on site, I will make my point by exercising my EQUAL RIGHT and EQUAL ACCESS to language I have knowledge and proof is used widely and freely by my fellow Americans.

"Krellin, if you go to some really upperclass Beverley Hills neighborhood, you won't see the black residents going "hey wassup yall niggas"

yes...because athletes, movie stars, hip-hop stars, etc....<shhhh...> they don't let's dem kind in Beverly Hills...

You are SUCH a biggoted fool, SYnner...Yes, rich blacks that make their money off using the word nigger in routine and song don't use the word....err....uh.....

You forgot about all the trouble Al-not-so-Sharpton has caused with regard to the blacks believing themselves to be superior.

Gwyneth Paltrow hangin' with her niggers....Oh me, oh my!!!!

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/06/14/gwyneth_paltrow_tweets_n_s_in_paris_and_causes_controversy_should_we_be_upset_and_kanye_and_jay_z_too_.html

SYnner -- slight change of subject -- do you object to Charlie Rangel (D) using "white crackers" to refer to his political opponents?

You think hip-hop artists are for real? That they act at home like they do on TV? LOL.

Krellin, I am referring to a certain class of middle class black people who have respectable jobs in jourrnalism/business, who have a wife and kids and go home to eat their dinner, who have never uttered the word "nigger" in their life and find it grossly offensive.

Ever met one of those?

Jesse Jackson is immoral for his behaviour so let's not go into that.

You shouldn't use the word "nigger" especially. Black people shouldn't use it either. However, this doesn't justify you to use it. You should be better than other people by disciplining yourself.

Your attitude however is "everybody else is being a warmongering piece of shit on the earth so I have the right to" which is a particularly disgusting viewpoint.

Your sources seem to be all from celebrity gossip. Celebrity behaviour is not synonymous with real, normal people. I think you spend way too much time on the internet reading blogs. Ever sat down and spoke to some real people? They're not as extreme as the internet portrays people are.