It interesting that the case rdrivera posted against you basically directly led you to become more engaged in the game. The instant you felt some danger, you decided to post a reads list.

Sorry, went out to lunch right after I posted that last bit. I'll get back to my evidence-gathering after addressing some of the recent comments.

@TrPrado First off, you're misrepresenting what I said. I claimed that if both snowy and Jeff flipped town, he COULD be scum. As in, under those circumstances, I'd look into it further. You'll also notice I refer to him as town-ish, a category which RD shares, and a category which in and of itself implies they feel town, but I had minor doubts on.

Secondly, you assume I've followed this game much more closely than I actually have. I know RD scumread me, but I don't recall him having a meaningful case to back it up (or I probably would have responded). Additionally, I'm very confused about the issue with my voting RD after you said I would. In the very post where you say I'll vote RD, you say you know I'll vote that way because he's a scumread of mine. When I saw that post, I was reminded to vote. Is it wrong to vote on my scumreads?

"@TrPrado First off, you're misrepresenting what I said. I claimed that if both snowy and Jeff flipped town, he COULD be scum. As in, under those circumstances, I'd look into it further."

Could implies you believe those circumstances would make it likely.

And I'd also like to point out me saying you'd scumread rd was based on nigh nothing. I'd falsely assumed you too were after each other, but rereading the evidence shows that not to be the case. Where'd that scum read come from?

You also said you took a look at the cases on Rivera and thought they were flimsy. Tom's case was made the previous night, and he was particularly going off that. Why did the case suddenly become believable?

Just because you give them the same designation of "town-ish" doesn't mean they're interchangeable. Your explanations and actions don't add up.

I'll help with your evidence gathering.

Remember that time N1 when Balki said for me to meet him in the QT and I asked if he could send it? Scum indicative, lol

Remember how I was pretty strong about Balki possibly being cop, defending him with a few different conflicting bits of logic because certain bits of information had not yet come out until HR flipped town? Scum indicative, lol

Plus if you thought the case was flimsy - it seems odd you would vote for it. That ambivalence to who gets lynched is usually typical of scum. Though with you, I can't tell if its just disinterest in general.

Where's that evidence you promised on TrPrado? I want to see what you've come up with - see how genuine it is, because saying that his reasoning is backfilled without providing evidence isn't going to cut it.

So, I've claimed that Prado is guilty of retroactively justifying himself, which is almost always a scummy trait, given that town (short of playing utterly whimsically and without purpose) always knows why they did things, while scum cannot share what makes them believe what they do.

In order to best demonstrate this, I'll use the example of TrPrado's defense of Balki, the stalker.

Prado is tunneling on ghug for the beginning of the day, but eventually HR tries to rope him into the vote on Balki, after which Prado stays on ghug, but in his multi-part analysis later on, he includes HR in his scumteam after declaring HR's push on Balki is "fake as shit." Interestingly enough, he declares this a "double bus," and given that, I can only assume TrPrado considers this a legitimate scum tactic, and as such, I wouldn't give him too much credit for tunneling ghug to oblivion; it could very well just be another "double bus."

Now, as HR vs Balki takes center stage, Prado begins pushing the stalker HR theory in Balki's defense (he has absolute confidence in Balki), and here he sets up his first contradiction. He says:
"HR wasn't even top lynch, ghug had twice as many votes before this claim."
in order to explain how HR can't be cop; that is, a cop wouldn't claim because HR wasn't in any real danger yet. HOWEVER, in order to push the narrative that HR is stalker, he later claims:
"I've seen repeated defenses of HR that say this would be a dumb tradeoff as stalker. But it's not even a tradeoff. The conversation that was going on was:
"HR is totally scummy so let's lynch him" vs "You know I totally agree he's scummy and I do think lynching him is a good idea, but he may not be the best lynch for today"
His lynch was inevitable anyway. So a situation where he guarantees the cop's death then dies later isn't a tradeoff. It's postponing his own death to get what he wants: a dead cop."

So now HR is clearly scum because he was going to die, it makes sense to give his life in order to kill the cop.

I'm running out of time to post this and give Tom adequate reaction time. Sorry I couldn't go faster and finish this, I'm not working in my usual environs. Even without further breakdown, though, I feel the above shows that Prado has been willing to pick and choose whatever logic he wants, so long as it fits the conclusions he's already decided on.

@TrPrado about RD, you could have (should have) known I scumread RD at that point because all my scumreads had already been flipped. Therefore, the "town-ish" were now my scumreads. I assumed you were smart enough to have put that together and observed that RD was now one of my scum candidates.

@Tom I did feel the cases on RD were flimsy, but I eventually voted him because such cases had existed at all. Vash had no cases on him, and when reading him, I didn't feel there was a case to be made at all

You have to assume I wouldn't bus guilty-scanned scum if you're going to call me scum. That's bold.

Hmmm. Prado - any comment on that contradiction Baldy pointed out?

Also, you thought Balki was cop from the outset correct? You picked up his fakecrumbs early?

@TrPrado First off, you are bold. You're play has been constantly reaching and pushing hard, so that's not beyond you in the least, from my perspective. Secondly, other people pointed out HR has faked cop scans before. It's entirely possible you thought his scan was BS anyway. You even called out Ika's soft at the beginning of the day.

@Bald: Why did you advocate for vig to kill HR during the night? You said it was "mostly on principle" but also said that you didn't like Balki's actions or defense. Why not advocate vig to hill Balki?

I thought Balki was cop for a while because of the fakecrumb but when hardclaimed then hard retracted cop, I kind of figured he wasn't, but I didn't think he was scum and I didn't want real cop to come forward, so I pushed the Balki is cop narrative pretty hard. I was also one of many people who had already thought HR was scum, and was skeptical of his claim.

Where did I advocate this? Was this in the post where I proposed the idea HR could be a goon?

(I guess I shouldn't forget to ##vote TrPrado)

When he hard clamied and hard retracted, why did you still not think he was scum? Wouldn't a regular townie have never counterclaimed like that anway?

@Bald - N2 p.11

"Busy day for me, glad we got scum, killed ghug, and in the process created a day hilarious in how chaotic it was. I've a fan of killing HR, mostly on principle, but I've got to say I feel like Balki's defense and behavior are lacking. Not a fan of this HR+Balki scum theory, but I guess time will tell."

HR wasn't in proper danger of lynch that day. But his lynch could've come the day after the ghug lynch. That's what I meant. I pretty clearly stated it would've been a different day, and on that day he could've gotten momentum off of ghug as well so that scum couldn't be caught two days in a row. I thought my logic was clear on that, but thanks for asking for an elaboration.

Ah, it was because he faked a cop claim to push his reads. I don't think town should ever do that, so I leaned towards killing him (it had to be one of them), though I acknowledge in that post that Balki's play was also weak for other reasons and I was honestly kind of torn.

Tom:

I had thought it was trying to WIFOM hooker. That was N1. And it's not the first time I'd seen a vanilla townie fake CC when the original claim is putting them in illegitimate danger.

Why would he WIFOM hooker when he could just not claim cop on N1 in the first place

I see where you are coming from with thinking HR was trying to take heat off of ghug.

What do you mean trying to WIFOM hooker. I don't understand.

Because it confuses the scum team.

Also @Prado, if HR had been stalker but figured he could get ghug to take the fall instead, why would he fake claim that day? The longer he lives, the more scans he gets, and the more PRs are revealed.

If he's town and does something like that N1 then hooker has to guess whether or not he's bullshitting, which means the hooker has to risk whether or not to put a RB on him of someone else, which from a perspective could give the real cop a better chance to get a scan off.

Because I didn't know ghug was a vanilla scum.

Did you know ghug was vanilla scum?

Pretending to sort of kind of be cop N1 isn't useful, though, since the hooker is probably just going to go with their PR reads anyway.

You've sure put a lot of thought into who the hooker goes after...