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Hippopankake (80 D)
03 Jul 17 UTC
Need players
Need new players for a modern game just two more to be exact
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Flame (125 D)
03 Jul 17 UTC
Napoleonic variant. RELEASED!
Napoleonic variant from FireHawk is fixed and avaliable for playing here:
http://server.diplomail.ru/variants.php?variantID=101
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brainbomb (290 D)
01 Jul 17 UTC
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Is it happening?
My ghost rating is acting pretty strange, has it begun?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
30 May 17 UTC
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MAFIA XXIX - OFFICIAL GAME THREAD
See inside. Please do not post until the game begins.
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TrPrado (461 D)
19 Jun 17 UTC
Thank you.

I'm becoming more confident in my final read. More to come in about 24 hours.
Balduran (119 D)
19 Jun 17 UTC
Also forgot to ##vote RD
TrPrado (461 D)
19 Jun 17 UTC
##VOTE RDRIVERA

Let's lynch that towny.
TrPrado (461 D)
19 Jun 17 UTC
The rest of the forum is awful right now, so I'm gonna bump this in the hopes that we can get more discussion here.

Vash, Bald, and Tom:

If rdrivera flips town, I would like to hear backup strategies from y'all.
Depends on the night kill man....
TrPrado (461 D)
19 Jun 17 UTC
One more bump to see if I can hear backup plans from Bald and Tom.
Balduran (119 D)
19 Jun 17 UTC
Well the NK is certainly important, in that it removes a candidate. My "back up plan" would be to do some actual rereading on the other two, because the rest of you all seem pretty decent. Going purely on what I've been feeling, I'd go for Vash, but I'm not going to make a final decision without looking over things again.
Balduran (119 D)
19 Jun 17 UTC
I sure hope Tom remembers he needs 5 posts
TrPrado (461 D)
19 Jun 17 UTC
Tommy Boybadil?

Ma boi
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
20 Jun 17 UTC
Bump because the forum is weird tonight
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
20 Jun 17 UTC
Hey Prado. Sorry, some shit went sideways at work today

What do you want from me?

A plan B?

If rdrivera flips town, then I will look for the last scum. I feel pretty confident that rdrivera is scum.

I feel pretty confident the rest of y'all are town.

Tbh, I'm not going to spend hours looking back and sifting through which of you is scum unless I have to - because its probably not any of you, and that would be a waste of time.

If rdrivera flips town, I'll have 24hrs to reread - and if that situation arises, I will use that time to do so.
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
20 Jun 17 UTC
But I do want to ask Balduran something.

Before snowy left us, he mentioned that he had a conversation with you regarding how he felt he should have bussed Maniac D1 when he was scum. Can you tell us more about that conversation?
Balduran (119 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
Well, snowy's always told me he tries not to bus unless his teammates are beyond saving, and I'm pretty sure those conversations were something along the lines of "Maniac is always beyond saving, I regret not just bussing him anyway." Snowy's comment, then, likely implied his doubt in me would be based in the chance I thought ND was unsalvageable garbage
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
20 Jun 17 UTC
So, anyone have a question to me while I am still alive?
I just made another read and still think it's probably Bald, but Vash look less towny on a re-read. I guess Tom or Prado will have to sort this out.
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
20 Jun 17 UTC
@TrPrado - If you think rdrivera is town, why are you lynching him?

@rdrivera - Why aren't you trying to save yourself? For someone who supposedly thinks Balduran is scum, you haven't pushed him at all. Not even any questioning of him.

@Balduran - Do you think ND was unsalvageable garbage D1?
Balduran (119 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
Well, I'm generally not that scathing with my assessments of people. I certainly felt his logic was lacking (which is what I called him out on and eventually voted him for), but I don't think, retrospectively, that it was that much worse than some of the bad cases that town made over the course of this game. So probably not unsalvageable. That said, I feel like I'd bus more easily than people think.
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
20 Jun 17 UTC
"That said, I feel like I'd bus more easily than people think. "

Elaborate please. Have you bussed before as scum?
TrPrado (461 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
Tom:
Come on, mate, are you even reading? My vote for him makes sense in context of what I've been saying. I can explain more later.
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
20 Jun 17 UTC
Yes. You think he is town, and you want an intentional mislynch. I read what you are saying - it just makes absolutely no sense.

That being said, rdrivera is probably scum, in which case despite your best efforts, we will be ok.
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
20 Jun 17 UTC
Tom, I tryed to convince people I am town, but you and Snowy did a great job throwing shadow at me, to the point I don't see any way to change today's outcome. I made a case against Bald last day, people dismissed it because "Bald wouldn't bus on D1". I asked Bald questions and his answers where in the line he doesn't have the time or will to engage on this game. And if he is scum he won't vote himself. Vash jumped on me and I really don't think I can convince him to change. Prado is doing something I don't understand. No one is asking questions to me or questioning I am scum. You are just allowing scum to keep hiding as he don't have to make any effort to lynch me.
So, what else do you want me to do? I played this game to the best of my capacity and still most of town players read me as scum (DO, Oztra, snowy, Ezio, you). Bald and Vash didn't do anything at all in this game but they are read as "obvtown". I am honest when I say that maybe I am the best lynch, because if I am wrong and it's not Bald I will be lynched tomorrow and town lose. This way, maybe the remaining town players will put some effort to find the last scum.
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
20 Jun 17 UTC
Wow, such a live thread. Why we aren't hammering? I am curious to see the God thread.

I almost miss Snowy, but not really.

I miss Brain. Bb, I humbly apologize for myslynching you, I totally understand what you were feeling.
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
20 Jun 17 UTC
Is this the case you are referring to that you made against Bald?

"D1, he first voted Moscow when pressed to vote (“MF, HR, ghug, and perhaps Prado (I liked him earlier, but Balki, a townread of mine, is making a somewhat convincing case). For now I'll throw out a ##VOTE MF”). He didn´t put ND on this list but made a hedgy comment that ND is in his “scum wahtchlist”. Then he voted ND “for now” with a bit more than an hour to EOD but keeping an option to opt out at EOD, saying he will come back in 30 minutes. But when he came back it was ND x y2k, so staying on ND isn´t that towny indicative as this was the best option for a scum too. D2 he voted Ghug and then Balk with and end vote and just vanished. This is the most towny vibe I get from him and what made me read him as town for most part of the game. D3 he voted Peter to make him answer a question and stayed there until the end, good way to stay away and unnoticed. D4 he voted Peter all day long but never really pushed his lynch and was around at EOD but didn't say a word and also didn't answer when I asked him about it. D5 he voted y2k when y2k wasn't the leading wagon and jumped to Jeff in the end, when Jeff was the counter-wagon to y2k with a hedgy explanation. (http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msg?id=1487919&player=Balduran&var=vote).
I also did a full re-read on him and even knowing that hedgy is his usual meta, this game it seems forced. A lot of sentences started with “I am torn”, “Maybe”, “time will tell” and the likes. I really don´t get a town vibe from his interactions, he looked a lot like myself in the first game I played as Mafia, trying to seem lost but having an agenda."

Because if so, I'd ask what about that seems different than town Balduran. He is always hedgy. He always starts sentences with hedgy words like maybe, and I'm torn. He's been absent a lot, but isn't typically active as town anway - why do you see that as alignment indicative?

I feel like that is a really weak case especially not good enough to convince me that he is scum bussed lawyer D1
TrPrado (461 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
Scum Hate Him!

Man Reveals One Trick to Read the Game
Tr just do your thing, this is boring and we are close enough to EoD
dargorygel (2596 DMod(G))
20 Jun 17 UTC

##OFFICIAL MAFIA 29 Vote Count 8.01
Rdrivera (5) Tom Bombadil, rdrivera, Vashta, Balduran, TrRrado

End Votes: (1/4) Vashta

Currently Rdrivera2005 is set to be lynched.
This day ends in around 2.5 hours.
TrPrado (461 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
Sorry, almost done typing it up. I meant to do that last night and put it in a notes tab of one of my games, but I got distracted.
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
20 Jun 17 UTC
@Tom - I didn't remember he lurking so much in the last game we played and he was town. He is usually hedgy I agree, but this time he seems to be avoiding any commitment. I started to scum read him the day we lynched Peter and he didn't say a word near EOD but sent a joke message 10 minutes after EOD. So he was reading the thread but avoiding engagement. I asked him about this and he answered with "not being available" or something like that.
And I don't think my case is weaker then your case on me, but of course I have a bias.
Balduran (119 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
@Tom sorry for the slow response. No, I've never bussed as scum before. Of the two games I've been scum (ignoring Tibet because my position was somewhat unique there), one went well early so there was no need to bus, and the other I was the one who got bussed D1 :(
rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
20 Jun 17 UTC
I feel really sad you believe I would have voted following two scum partners on D1. I am much better then this as scum.
TrPrado (461 D)
20 Jun 17 UTC
(+1)
So this end game is entirely messy and not an easy solve. To that end I need to explain a few things:

First and foremost, my strategy. Intentional mislynch. I got the idea from rdrivera last night when he said that lynch should be between himself and Balduran. I made it overtly said and tweaked it to be myself and snowy. I also added the detail of mylo, even though we aren't set to go to mylo.
A big part of me doing this was a reaction test.

A reaction test?? It's D8!!

Not an easy game to read. I was stuck N7 and had too many town reads.

I wanted to see how people responded to the idea. I got snowy to agree to it, volunteering himself to be mislynched, and rdrivera tried to put himself in place of either of us. His argument is that he and I are both greater assets to town than he could be. The way he's played D8 indicates he still is on board with that. It should've been long obvious that he's town. I've come to believe he's still the best lynch as far as getting the easiest mislynch out of town to prevent us getting bogged down at lylo. The only other reaction N7 was Tom's total dismissal of the idea. Vash dismissed it earlier today in a similar fashion, and Balduran said that under different circumstances he could agree to it, feeling that it's best if there's a clear singular weak link in town.

Then EoN came and a certain detail was quite unexpected. Tom didn't die, but rather snowy.
Tom was the most obvtown around, so his death was the one we expected.

Vash pointed out it could be a game of WIFOM. That alone is obviously not worth scum reading someone, but it was worth going back and taking a second look at Tom. Something I don't think anyone has done in a very long time.

The most significant detail to reading the thread is watching how they behaved when it came down to D2, particularly the way they reacted to HR's fake claim and then comparing to how ghug and y2k reacted. When you look at ghug's reaction, he was deadset on believing the claim, trying to find a reason that was believable. He knew Balki would flip scum, but he couldn't just say it. When you look at y2k's reaction, he spent a few posts trying to create plausible deniability.

So I'm going to take the time and explain my thoughts on everyone a bit.

Upon rereading quite a bit of the thread early on I ended up with 2 town reads, 1 scum read, and 1 null read. I absolutely didn't want to play my hand until I managed to get to 3 town reads.

rdrivera2005:

I've explained my town read on him ad nauseam. Balki wouldn't use a scumbuddy to back up a fake claim D2, rdrivera was too hesitant to the idea of Balki as scum, not giving the idea much leeway, and now the biggest detail is his willingness to clear himself out of town to help prevent losing at lylo. He was my most confident read other than myself.

VashtaNeurotic:

He was my other town read. He's still a town read. A lot of this comes down to something he did D2 that would be absolutely dumb as scum. He actively adamantly promoted the lynch of Balki over ghug when the momentum was on ghug. When HR first claimed, Vash asked to hear Balki's story because he saw a scenario where it was plausible for HR to be scum. After Chaqa's claim, he actively tried to give logical reasons why he felt Balki was still a logical lynch over ghug. Balki having a far more important role than ghug makes this seem highly unlikely for scum to do. It's a correct assessment that he hasn't done much, but he's also pretty actively not scum.

Balduran:

He was my null read. There was a lot to be confused about when going back to reread him, particularly because of his long chunks of absence. He was a significant part of why I felt the need to get a reaction test. From which I managed to garner the following quote:
"I wouldn't necessarily mind dying today since other people are more likely to put up passionate fights at lylo (should RD flip town)"
Not the strongest reason to townread someone, but a list of willing mislynches who can actively back up why they're willing is particularly an unorthodox thing for scum to be part of.

Tom Bombadil:

That leaves one. By (mostly) process of elimination, the last scum is Tom. This is the most bizarre read of the game. Most of us have treated him as obvtown. I posted earlier that HR or Oztra should be MVP. I had thought Oztra had been the one to talk about scum being under deep cover, but apparently that was brain. Tom has some deep as hell cover.
I'll submit D2 as evidence again. This was Tom's response:
"Well this is great. It's beautiful outside and I want to spend my day out there.

There is no way HR would fake here. Doesn't make any sense.

%%vote Balki

Also, Tr - that is nuts. We lynch the guilty scan."

His confidence on the flip was astounding:

"TrPrado - will you eat a shoe if Balki flips scum?"

One might say ghug levels of astounding.

But when Chaqa proclaimed a guilty on ghug:

"%%unvote

I'm starting to believe the idea that Ika was real cop, and actually got the scan that ghug is goon. Then getting a sub was the best way to potentially fix the situation?

But then what would the rationale be for HR to fakeclaim cop?
And why would Balki counterclaim?

It doesn't make sense."
"%%vote ghug

Ika/Chaqa is cop. The substitution makes sense if GM's actually screwed up the PM (which means ghug is probably goon)

I mean Ika's first post of the D2 was that ghug is scum.

I just don't understand why HR would fakeclaim? And Balki fake counter claim. It doesn't make sense."

He took the opportunity to jump on the scum that was not worth as much to the scum team.

What an interesting day of activity.

When it came to the intentional mislynch strategy, he had quite the response:
"Ok. Can we volunteer other people?

Because I volunteer rdrivera for this "intentional mislynch""

This being a clear attempt to abuse the strategy and manipulate it to his own ends.

So why haven't we been looking at him more closely?

He's really good at pretending to be town. His voting record is pretty solid. But I don't think I know of many people who've taken the time to go back and read his behavior.

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