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Legilimens (110 D)
15 Mar 13 UTC
Bug?
Look at gameID=111572 , specifically at France's fleet in Piedmont... why is Piedmont not blue, given that it is not an SC?
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hecks (164 D)
15 Mar 13 UTC
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Nice things thread
It's a gorgeous late-winter Friday in Maine. There's not a cloud in the blue, blue sky, and it may get all the way up to the high 40s today. I'm in an uncharacteristically good mood, so I decided to start this thread inviting you webdippers to be happy about something.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Political Philosophy MOOC @ Harvard
https://www.edx.org/courses/HarvardX/ER22x/2013_Spring/about

I've signed up, anyone else up for this?
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krellin (80 DX)
15 Mar 13 UTC
Inflation
Why do government "inflation" figures always discount FOOD and ENERGY prices....which are the *bulk* of people's regular spending...?

Anyone know why this formula is used?
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Mnrogar (100 D)
15 Mar 13 UTC
why are we not proceedig to the next phase?
Game-56

Everybody has input their orders (green check mark everywhere) why is the game not progressing???
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Liberal of the day awards
To help Sbyvl36 on his noble quest of muting liberals, we will utilize this thread in determining who is the most liberal person of the day, and why he is liberal. Post possible nominations below and reasons as to why they are the liberal of the day. Together we should be able to make a decision and make Sbyvl36s life easier.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
15 Mar 13 UTC
Better Thought Experiments than SYnapse Posted
Schrodinger's Cat. Borel's Monkeys. Parfit's Teleporter. No. Pensées... so much more fun. More thought; no answers.
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hecks (164 D)
15 Mar 13 UTC
Blankflag variant
global press only no punctuation capitalization or line breaks anyone who uses them has to nmr the round whos in
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
A mute a day keeps the Liberals away.
I have now started a tradition of muting one liberal everyday. I mute these people based on the radical statements that they make in the forum. As I don't want to hear it anymore, I am taking advantage of a very pleasant tool.
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CSteinhardt (9560 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
EOG: Grande Armée
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
14 Mar 13 UTC
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Happy Pi Day! (and happy bday to me too :)
Three point one four one
Five nine two six five three five
Eight nine. And so on.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
15 Mar 13 UTC
An MSNBC Article a Day Keeps Sbyvl Away Because He Likely Muted Me
http://theclicker.today.com/_news/2013/03/14/17313112-big-bang-theory-stars-tease-bittersweet-episode-romance?lite

The Big Bang Theory. Let's go, liberals.
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jimgov (219 D(B))
15 Mar 13 UTC
Real Science! The Higgs Boson confirmed
Since we are talking science today, I've noticed that no one has jumped on the announcement that the Higgs Boson was confirmed today. Although it has been suspected for decades, actually finding the particle that possibly gives everything its mass is a huge announcement.
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Mathmaticious (100 D)
15 Mar 13 UTC
Join my game gameID=112459
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King Atom (100 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
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I'm Taking Back This Goddamn Forum!
I USED to be the Liberal antagonist troll 'round these parts. Now Sbyvl69 thinks he can just come through and stick his ass in the burner? Hell no, Subivyl, I defy you and your poorly placed beliefs. AND I WON'T REST UNTIL YOU'RE DEAD! (Also, anyone who 'keeps' krellin, but mutes Draug is just about the dumbest dumbass in the world.)
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TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
10 Mar 13 UTC
Last seen online?
I just saw somebody in a game online with a blue icon, but it didn't change the flag 'last seen online'. Question: how do these functions work? Is the blue icon reliable? Does the flag switch when a game is opened or literally when somebody is online?
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ghug (5068 D(B))
14 Mar 13 UTC
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Hey Thucy
"On the other hand if I must say anything on the subject of female excellence to those of you who will now be in widowhood, it will be all comprised in this brief exhortation. Great will be your glory in not falling short of your natural character; and greatest will be hers who is least talked of among the men whether for good or for bad." -Thucydides

#hypocrite #sexist #fuckthucy #ineedtogetsomesleep
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2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
14 Mar 13 UTC
Shooting in my hometown today
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/nyregion/four-killed-in-shootings-in-upstate-new-york.html?hp&_r=0
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krellin (80 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
@ulytau - nice try -- yes, *military* ammo is retricted in Switzerland. Gun laws and gun ownership in general are not. You lie to try to make you point and fail.

Chicago - very restrictive gun laws...guns readily available to criminals, high murder-by-gun rate
D.C. - very restrictive gun laws...guns readily available to criminals, high murder-by-gun rate
UK - low gun crime, HI CRIME rate...so do you want to be murdered by gun or knife, that's the UK choice...

Gun laws do NOT prevent CRIME and do NOT prevent murder.

Gun laws *do* prevent law abiding citizens from protecting themselves. Gun laws do not prevent criminals from committing criminal actions.

I understand...this is logic backed up by fact...but the good liberal gun-b
krellin (80 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
...gun-grabbers will never let FACTS get in the way of belief.....kind of like environmentalists...
blankflag (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
i doubt Tettleton's Chew or anyone else here has the same politics as i have. people here seem to fit into right or left. if he is right then he probably is pro-war for example. or pro-corporate power. or even pro bailout for all i know. i dont think i have heard anyone on here who is truly anti-totalitarianism or anti centralization.

and i dont particularly trust the nra. most major organization is controlled to a greater or lesser extent by the conspirators. some of their funding comes from gun supporters, so they have to do things to get that part of the public on their side, but they also get a lot of cash from these major contributors who want them to do things to further the gun agenda. make gun support look bad by doing crazy things, or steering the debate in a way that no matter which side youre on it looks bad. and those big doners have the power. because the small donations will probably come in either way but if the elites want them to go down they can withdraw a huge amount of their funding all at once.
ulytau (541 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
"Gun laws and gun ownership in general are not. "

They are completely in line with gun laws in the rest of Europe. The idea that no one is allowed to own guns is just an American delusion.
ulytau (541 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
*no one IN EUROPE is allowed to own guns
ulytau (541 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
So tell me, krellin, would you be so pro-gun if your gun was issued by the federal government? If you were obliged by law to own it? If the small government position would be to NOT have a gun?
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
14 Mar 13 UTC
I think those ARs look kinds cool, I'd love to have one personally, but do I want to see teenage kids with mental health issues have training on them, or any possible means of obtaining one that happens to be fully loaded with plenty of spare ammo for extra killing power ..... probably not.
I suppose if a lot of the bad guys are killing each other it keeps the prison numbers down and probably saves the country a small fortune so I get what your doing over there
ulytau (541 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Are you for a big government-sponsored programme of arming all able-bodied American men with guns, krellin? Are you for spending billions of taxpayers money on such an intrusive government regulation, forcing everyone to take care of something they don't want, being responsible for keeping it functional and safe, something even more demanding than mandatory health insurance? No? Then stop using Switzerland as an example supporting public policy in the USA.
2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
14 Mar 13 UTC
As of 8:30 EST this morning, state police finally shot and killed the suspect as he was holed up in an abandoned apartment building after he killed a police canine. Still no answers as to his motive, premeditation, etc., but just based on what I know about the area, it was pretty clear that this crime was premeditated. If he was bent on a true shooting rampage, he could have easily gone to the high school, which was less than a quarter mile from his home, or the local Wal-Mart, closer than the oil change place across the river. My theory is that he set fire to his house as a distraction, walked to the barber shop around the corner because he had a problem with the barber, then to the oil change place for the same reason.

I had no family or friends among the killed, but the barber was a true village institution, he moved there when I was young and I never had my hair cut anywhere else until college. The people shot and killed were friends and parents of friends, however.

I wasn't trying to start a(nother) gun control thread on the forum when I posted the story. At the time, it was just a story of note that happened to hit the national news and happened to be (somewhat) close by to several webdippers. Dan-i-Am88 (who still lives there), TheJok3r, and a few other occasional players are all from the same area, so there was at least a personal connection for a few of us.

However, after seeing FB and Twitter reactions of some of my friends and neighbors, I can't help but pose the forum a few questions regarding gun violence:

1. A lot of vitriol was expressed toward Gov. Cuomo in the aftermath of the original shooting. Not entirely sure why. As the biggest political name to tackle gun control issues thus far, it was legislation like his that tried to prevent an incident like this from occurring in the first place. Knowing the area and the type of crime this (likely) was, I can say with a relative certainty that the shooter would NOT have been dissuaded by knowledge that barbershop patrons or the barber himself had a gun. In all likelihood, one or two of the patrons may have even had a gun in their car or several at home. The barber himself would never keep a gun in his store as it is a very popular place for junior high and high school kids to frequent as well as young children. Furthermore, the suspect, while admittedly being a somewhat strange man (I'd seen him around town on a few occasions, never knew who he was) would never have submitted himself to mental health counseling or never been identified as a potentially unstable individual. He had a good relationship with his landlord and kept to himself. After the fire was put out, police recovered nearly a dozen firearms of various sizes and types from his apartment. Why does a man need a dozen guns? He may well have hunted for all I know, since my village is very small and rural and hunting is quite popular. Does that make a difference? Why is anybody with a clean record allowed to purchase and own twelve guns?

2. On a somewhat unrelated note, several local businesses posted different variations of "WE'RE UNHARMED THANK THE LORD" to FB in the aftermath of the shootings to let people know that patrons and themselves were unhurt. Is posting something like that appropriate when a shooter has just killed and injured six people and is still on the loose? I understand the need to let people know you're uninjured, but does invoking God make the victims and their families feel slighted in any way? I feel like it's a lot similar to saying "Good thing the cops were there to protect me, why weren't they protecting you?" Anyone (Mujus, et al.) care to weigh on on this?

I'll post any more pertinent details as they arise, but for all intents and purposes, the incident is finally over except for the final investigation, motive, connections, etc. I feel like obiwan posting such a long post, and I apologize for it, but this incident has really made me rethink some of my stances on the gun control debate, and for the better IMO. As long as people have guns, people will kill others. Yes, people can kill with knives, bats, fists, poison, or whatever, but I'm not talking about knives and baseball bats. Killing isn't as wonton and as devastating with a knife or bat. If this man didn't have any guns, he wouldn't have killed four people. Period. If the Newtown shooter didn't have access to guns, he wouldn't have killed as many (if any) kindergarteners. Whatever "protection" I have when I own a gun could just as easily be turned into fear or murder at the drop of a hat.

Sorry for the long post.
krellin (80 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
"Are you for a big government-sponsored program of arming all able-bodied American men with guns, krellin?"

I never suggested it, and of course I do not believe that government should FORCE gun ownership any more than I think that they should take away the CHOICE.

This is a false and ridiculous "argument" that really has no bearing on the topic.

That's like saying, "I think pot should be legalized.....therefore everyone should be forced to smoke pot". It's a stupid counter-argument by people trying to detract from the *truth* that legal gun ownership prevents crime...
krellin (80 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
I know someone that was recetnly seriously injured in a car accident because of an irresponsible driver texting while driving. It is time to:
* BAN Private care ownership
* BAN texting in any form.

It is clear within society that *legal* car ownership is a deadly plague upon society. Our society could very easily adopt a purely public transporation system. Sure...it would cost money and be inconvenient...but THE CHILDREN....THINK about the children who's lives we coudl save. IF WE COULD SAVE BUT ONE CHILD'S LIFE by banning automobile ownership....which is purely an object of self-indulgence.

PLUS...it would SAVE THE WORLD from be DESTROYED by emmissions...

ewww...look at all those emotional hot buttons!!!
Fasces349 (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
I support background checks before purchasing guns, but Nigee et all its important to note that there is no correlation between crime and guns.

Yes the homicide rate is America is higher then in other countries, but the burglary and assault rates are lower by a similar margin.

Yes Australia hasn't had a shooting since they banned firearms, but their homicide rate hasn't dipped and burglary rate is significantly higher since the ban.

Yes a majority of mass shootings happen by assault rifles, but in America hands and fists kill twice as many every year.

At the same time its important to note that a majority of mass shootings occur in gun-free zones, in america states which permit carrying a concealed weapon have lower rates of rape and assault.

The point I have tried to make in this thread, and other gun control threads, is that there is no correlation between gun and crime, as long as your cherry picking your statistics you can make guns look good or bad.
2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
14 Mar 13 UTC
"i doubt Tettleton's Chew or anyone else here has the same politics as i have."

blankflag, you're really not special. Get over yourself. You're not unique, despite what your mother told you. Once you move out after you graduate high school, you'll find out that the world is infinitely more complex than your basement.
krellin (80 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Oh, I know...krellin, that's STUPID...blah blah blah.

NO...it's not. People DIE because of legal car ownership. Car ownership is not NECESSARY to life...it is just convenient. It is also convenient to pull out my pistol and shoot a robber.

Neither is necessary...it is in fact easier to demonstrate a saving of lives by eliminating cars than it is by eliminating guns...therefore it should be a no brainer...

...except you all like the convenience of your cars....not the necessity...for there is NO necessity...that is a false argument...so it is *purely* for selfish reasons that you require a car...

thus exposing the fact that you have an INCONSISTENT ideology., and do not *really* care about saving lives.
2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
14 Mar 13 UTC
Fasces, you somewhat make a good point, but looking at the correlation between guns and crime is a bit of a red herring and is almost intentionally misleading. There has been and always will be crime, even with gun control legislation. Gun-related deaths, on the other hand, are an entirely different statistic. The US has a higher guns per capita rate than Switzerland but its gun death rate per capita is three times higher. I'd much rather have my home broken into and have everything be stolen than to be shot and killed in a senseless act of gun violence.
ulytau (541 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
"I never suggested it, and of course I do not believe that government should FORCE gun ownership any more than I think that they should take away the CHOICE.

This is a false and ridiculous "argument" that really has no bearing on the topic."

That's the official military doctrine of the Swiss Confederation. If you ever use Swiss example again, I suggest you inform yourself about it.
krellin (80 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
GUN RIGHTS: Serious Question: What is the objective. It is not just "to get rid of guns". WHAT is the ultimate objective of the idea of "gun laws"??
2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
14 Mar 13 UTC
Cars do have a purpose and are entirely necessary, krellin. Don't purposely play dumb. Or is it on purpose? In either case, most Americans enjoy the luxury of being able to travel more than a mile away from home in a given day, so despite your protests that cars are unnecessary, the millions of Americans who commute BY CAR each day would beg to differ. A gun, on the other hand, serves no justifiable purpose other than to allow blowhard conservatives to blather on about their RIGHT to own it. A gun is both a justification and the means to an end that exists only in and of itself. I can own a gun because i have the right to. Also, since I have the right, I'm going to buy a gun. No rationality there.
krellin (80 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
ulytrau - *IF* I grew up in Switzerland, in a culture that supports such a law and the citizens were in a "gun cultrue" I would support that law. You did not lay out that premise. If you said we should implement that law in the US, I say no. If you say is it good in the Sitzerland, I say it is not only good, it is great, and a highly successful law, at that. You have not pointed out any faults with the Swiss law, and have not pointed out any high crime rates for the Swiss, so clearly it is affective and I support their right to have that law.

I do not want that law in the US because since our *founding* as a nation we have always believe in CHOICE and FREEDOM OF ACTION. That is why I don't support it here. It has nothing to do with whether or not I believe it would improve safety of communities. Freedom is just something that you do not understand, apparently....I pity you.
2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
14 Mar 13 UTC
WHAT is the ultimate objective of the idea of "gun laws"??

Obviously we need to get rid of guns to allow the government to take over and install a New World Order and one centralized government run by the Pope and the Masons. Don't be stupid.
blankflag (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
if you look at the statistics in the us where places have introduced open carry or concealed carry you will see that violent crime goes down. we are not just talking about property theft. you may be fine if your stereo is stolen but how happy will you be if your family member is raped? or gang beaten? gun crime statistics is retarded. so if you have gun deaths go up by 5 but stabbing homicides go down by 10, then you would think it was bad because gun deaths went up? obviously we should care about deaths or violent crimes, not gun deaths or gun crime.
krellin (80 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
"Cars do have a purpose and are entirely necessary, krellin."

No...there was actually a day and age in which there were NO cars.

AND...a revised public transportation system could eliminate their need.
2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
14 Mar 13 UTC
Personally, I enjoy my freedom to life without it ending because of someone's freedom of choice.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
But 2ndWhiteLine, something your ignoring is that the guns already exist. Say you banned legally owning handguns, now suddenly there are ~150 million illegal fire arms (I have no data on how many handguns are in the country, but I am guessing its around there, so forgive me if I am wrong) in circulation. That is far, far worse then having 150 million legal firearms in the country.
krellin (80 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
2WL just because you find a car convenient does not mean it is necesasary. Ever hear of a *BUS*??? Subway??? TRAIN??? Taxi?? Streetcar???
elimination of private ownership of cars would just mean the money you spend on cars would go to a revamped and vastly expanded public system of transportation. You wouldn't like it..but it would SAVE LIVES...

...and isn't it ALL ABOUT LIVES?

So...again...unless you agree private car ownership should be eliminated to save lives, you don't really believe in saving lives, and your "gun grabbing" idea is for other purposes, not saving lives, because you don't care about lives.

I have had elderly relatives without cars...they used public transport...they still have groceries, go tot he doctor, take trips to the mall, go on vacations. Cars are, in fact, *entirely* unnecessary in a civilized society.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Also Krellin please don't use the argument that cars kill 10 times as much as guns. Its the most retarded argument ever:
Guns are used to kill things, being animals, criminals or people.
Cars are are valid source of transportation.

If there war a choice between banning all automobiles and banning all firearms, only a fool would ban all automobiles just because they kill more.
krellin (80 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
"Personally, I enjoy my freedom to life without it ending because of someone's freedom of choice. "

So you support eliminating cars, which frequently kill people who wish to not be killed...and which are entirely unnecessary with a good public transport system.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Also on a sidenote does anyone think that Krellin is secretly a liberal pretending to be a conservative?

I'm the opposite of everyone else because most people thought TC was a troll (I don't) and most people probably think Krellin is not (I do).

I've thought this since debating Krellin on climate change a year or so ago and half the articles he linked were against his own case.
2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
14 Mar 13 UTC
krellin, the same applies to diabetes, heart disease, and banning large sodas and unhealthy foods. In 2011, 32,000 Americans died from vehicle related deaths. In contrast, 2.5 million died from heart disease. So your freedom of choice kills eight times more people than a car...interesting...since you care so much about saving lives. Your freedom of choice to own a gun also kills about the same number of as cars each year. So if it's really ALL ABOUT LIVES you're a complete blowhard.
krellin (80 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
faces - cars are unnecesarry and they kill. Gun grabber claim they want to ave lives - I offer a way to sve lives. Intended purpose is not the argument...it is a distratction. My gun is not intended to kill people, it is bought to skeet shoot and target practice - that is it's purpose. I *can* kill with it...jut like I *can* kill with a car.

*IF* the purpose is to save lives...I can save lives by eliminating cars and giving everyone a bus pass. Perfectly logical and parallel argument.

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Admiral Jones (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Unpause
Hello all, I am in a game with six others playing in 1902 Europe and we all paused the game and now cannot unpause it and continue playing. How do we unpause and continue??
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
14 Mar 13 UTC
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Blankflag Confusion Thread
If Nigee wasn't enough... here you go.
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Fasces349 (0 DX)
13 Mar 13 UTC
Burning fossil fuels makes the planet greener?
see below.
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yaks (218 D)
13 Mar 13 UTC
Underused Move
Look for the post
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blankflag (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
expert advice needed
it seems as though i played everything perfectly, yet somehow lost. im not sure what happened here. is it possible i am not as skilled as i once thought?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=112222#gamePanel
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Microfarad (100 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Cannot vote unpause
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=111482
In this game we are not able to unpause. Please an administrator fix it
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Mathmaticious (100 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Join my game. gameID=112459
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
13 Mar 13 UTC
Do Americans save money?
It may just be stupid television, but it seems like most Americans either spend their money as soon as they get it or save it to buy something more expensive as soon as they've got enough. Is this true for most Americans or is that just television? I don't know about other countries but here in the Netherlands most people (adults at least) have quite some money stashed on a bank account for worse days...
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Babyboy (111 D)
23 Feb 13 UTC
Noobi tourny
5 point gunboat, classic map tourny for noobs.
please post below if intrested.
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TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
24 Feb 13 UTC
Default disband orders?
Hey all, I just joined a game as CD replacement, and Russia CDd as well during a disband phase. Since he does not fill in a disband order, the adjudicator forces him to disband.
My question: how is this disband determined?

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jgurstein (0 DX)
14 Mar 13 UTC
locked games
I don't understand it: I see so many locked games that people join but I never see them advertised in the forum. How do people who create the game expect to get the password to potential players? And, if I want to participate in a locked game, would it be odd to pm one of the players who already joined and just ask for the password?
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DoctorJingles (212 D)
14 Mar 13 UTC
Live gunboat interest thread.
Trying to play a live gunboat wta on either Ancient med or the classic map. anyone interested in playing either, post below and just put which map you prefer. which ever gets enough players first, i will start a game. lets go guys :)
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