Lol.. you are a meme. Love that

Yeah, rusty is okay. It can take a bit to get that back but you'll be fine. You have a clue about what you're doing and I didn't mean to blame you for the conflict when I asked you to make peace with Austria. I sent him the same message (of course he CD'd at that point, so you know..).

oh, and Vexx. if you are still reading this thread, I kind of didn't tell the whole truth about bo's history :P

Yeah, I more or less ignored your message. My reasoning (hence my reply) was that in that case, you and England would have to help me out more or less out of self-interest, and that would give me a little room to grow before the shit hit the fan. As it turns out, the Juggernaut didn't happen anyway.

well, the Juggernaut DID happen in Fall 1901... just not for any of the other phases :P

I wouldn't have expected you to. Still, I didn't trust the guy entirely but I admired how he worked to keep us both from biting each other (Kudos to you too, bro!).

I'm not very good at self-interest. What are we talking about?

I told the truth somewhat, the side I see of bo is the side i told you. But I don't recall him ever beating me...

but yeah, he does try, so theres that :P

oh, and i lied about that to try to convince you to go after Germany.

Lying is Diplomacy. Without it, you will never amount to anything.

Wait, so... what was your lie, again? I've most totally forgotten what happened in that game.

But, regardless, as long as bo kept up the act of trying to keep us from stabbing one another, I wouldn't have stabbed. Partially because it would've be difficult and cumbersome, mostly for other reasons.

except lying where it is not needed is classless (Turkey is for sure guilty of that one, bo might be guilty)

I told you bo was ahorrible player who got stabbed all the time, basicly. And that he tries to influence/manpitulate actions all over the board, but generally fails :P

FD, I sometimes lie unnecessarily but I saw potential for it to be necessary. If it makes you feel any better, you would have probably taken Munich the next season o_O

meh... i don't think i would've. My position was off

Oh. I'm not sure I believed you. I don't take people's words for full value--especially in this kinda game. Even if he was trying to manipulate me (were you?), I probably would've broken off once it stopped being in my interesting. He didn't really seem to be doing it though; it looked more like he was trying to actually work with me.

I wouldn't have stabbed him just because others did it before me. ;)

I would've stabbed him if my paranoia got the best of me, and he seemed to be moving against me (it would've been easier to see, considering the nets he was buildings).

I'm still wondering why you bounced yourself on Munich, FD. >.>

My moves were ultra-aggressive to the point that I was going to swap Munich for Warsaw until you told me to SH everything. I had originally left Munich wide open.

But i do see bo stabbed quite a lot.... been a while since i have seen bo do well in a game

did it make a difference, Vexx??? the result would'vee been the same

SH?

I would've helped him do well, provided he helped me do well. ;D

And Vexx, in spring 1901, I'm manipulating everyone because, unless I'm a certain yellow southeastern country, I don't know what I'm going to do right away. I didn't think you would move on France, so yeah, I guess I was. Like I said, I try and reward an established and productive alliance (check out the number of 17-17s or three-way draws I've tried versus solos even when I'm up). No doubt we had France right off the bat and I wasn't going to fight you for that. I told FD I would to try and get him to let his guard down. So yeah, there's your unnecessary lie...

SH = support hold, our last moves were arranged

Well, I don't recall what were the rest of the positions of Germany's forces, but I'm fairly sure you would've gotten a build out of taking Munich then. Fairly. I don't watch the /full/ board... only the parts directly related to mine. >.>

It's always a good skill to develop if you can see the whole board at once.

FD, you're right, I'm bad in live games. That's why I don't play them much anymore. It took me a few weeks of playing nightly to figure it out..

Well, i liked England the best out of the group. I was serious when i became England's vassal

I had actually tried to ally with France at the start, which is why he wasn't really expecting it. It was a genuine attempt for an alliance too, but I've never had an alliance with Germany before. So, since you were up--and you gotta take risks from time to time, right?--I just went with it.

The parts where I felt (kinda) manipulated were when I "agreed" to attacked France with you, and when you said you'd support me into Belgium. Other than that, you talked mostly like a partner.

Oh... SH being support hold makes sense... Whose last moves were arranged? >.>

mine and Germany's, notice the lack of agression?

It is a good skill, but I'm very very lazy and can only handle so much information at once. ;)

FD: Such a funny statement it was. Pretty sure you were fairly stronger than me at the time. Thanks for liking me best though! I feel loved! :D

So you two were in cahoots? Gasp!

I don't think I noticed at the time... maybe if more turns had played out.

but i knew the press...

i perfer to think of it as "we have other shit to deal with, so stay away"

Staged suggests cahoots. ;)

I wonder what was Germany's other shit... Don't tell me you were gonna move on dear old England? ;D