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Mapu (362 D)
08 Sep 12 UTC
People who can't even CDR right
How bothersome is it when someone misses two turns to CDR and everyone has been waiting for the cycles, then they visit the game again but do nothing so you have to wait two more days for them to CDR again. It can really put a parking brake on a game.
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Sandgoose (0 DX)
05 Sep 12 UTC
21
So... Turned 21 today... Any ideas? :)
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Draugnar (0 DX)
07 Sep 12 UTC
Headed for Calgary week after next for two weeks...
I'll be flying in Sunday evening, home Friday, back in Sunday and back home Friday again. But looking for something to do Sun-Thur evenings after my meetings...
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
08 Sep 12 UTC
Paralympics Medal table
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/disability-sport/19083815

You can see from this table that some countries don't take disabled sports seriously, how has your country performed.....well done Ukraine
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Putin33 (111 D)
04 Sep 12 UTC
So much for the "modernization" of the Tories
Same old Tories.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/sep/04/cabinet-male-white-southern-reshuffle?newsfeed=true
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T-EX (50 D)
06 Sep 12 UTC
Any big time players here that I can ask a question too?
Can u hit me back please, thx
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Fortress Door (1837 D)
08 Sep 12 UTC
High Quality Gunboat Game
my first decent gunboat in a while

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=98191
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Conservative Man (100 D)
07 Sep 12 UTC
Some homework help please?
I'm probably just over thinking this, because I understand all 68 of the other problems on this worksheet. So, find Y ' for: ln ((x^2)-4y) = x-y-2
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
07 Sep 12 UTC
EoG: Afternoon Delight-3
God damn, what a game!
gameID=99052
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Baskineli (100 D(B))
07 Sep 12 UTC
I'm flying to Gibraltar
Anyone there and in for a game? :)
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stranger (525 D)
03 Sep 12 UTC
new game
I want to play a new game, prefering rather experienced players.
I thought about 2 days/phase, 101 bet. I don´t really care if it is gunboat or classic game, you guys tell me what you would like better. Write, if you are interested.
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therhat (104 D)
07 Sep 12 UTC
Giants vs. Cowboys
The NFL Season Opener was last night; Giants vs. Cowboys. I myself am a big Giants fan and personally thought they should have won the game. The Cowboys committed over 12 penalties and even though it affected their yardage it was a main factor to why they won the game. Based on last nights performance I think that some of the penalty rules in the NFL need to be changed to stop things like this from happening again. What do you think? Leave your answer as a comment.
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KingJonSnow (124 D)
06 Sep 12 UTC
Interested in a 10 Minute Live Game?
Anyone want to play a 10 minute live game tonight? I enjoy live but 5 minute phases are a little too fast for negotiation. 10 minutes would take longer but it would be the happy medium for a serious game. Any takers?
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yaks (218 D)
07 Sep 12 UTC
EoG; Gunboat 367
typing up my eog now. feel free to share opinions.
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Octavious (2701 D)
06 Sep 12 UTC
The art of negotiation is dead.
There was once a time, not so long ago, when buying a high value product (such as a tv, car insurance, mobile phone etc) would be a fun and entertaining battle of wills between hardened salesmen and the skilled customer. No longer, it seems...
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
04 Sep 12 UTC
And Now, Fighting Out Of the BLUE Corner... (DNC Convention Thread)
And I'll start by saying two things...
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
^Nevertheless, he still did better electorally than Taft, markedly so.

But wait--I'm the one saying a third party doesn't have a chance, so, I'll leave it there. ;)

I have to comment on just how diverse the DNC convention is right now...

And it seems very, very trivial, and in a large sense, it is--but I have to say, after three or four days of seeing a 90% white room...

It's a RELIEF to see a lot opf blacks and Latinos and Asians again...I'm a Los Angelino, 90%+ white amongst a population is WEIRD to me! xD I'm used to a pretty healthy mix!

And I think it's a lot more representative of America, too.

So, very good to see that, as innocuous as I'm sure it is...

Also, for everyone watching on FOX (and that's likely all of none of you...well, none until Stressedlines, krellin and Co. show up) it was great to see Richard Schiff of "The West Wing" fame debate Sean Hannity...

Who's defense to everything Schiff said was "Not it isn't."

So it was fun to see old Toby Ziegler alive and well...he sounded so much like his character in defending Obama I half expected a "Let Bartlet Be Bartlet" moment.

:D
SacredDigits (102 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
Oh, he did better than Taft, but both of them were the victim of splitting the party. Look at, say, 1860 if you want to see third parties (of a sort) slugging it out on the American presidential stage. There's a really odd return there...four different parties won at least one state, but oddly enough it was a major party (Democrats) that won the least electoral votes of the four despite getting the second most popular votes.
2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
05 Sep 12 UTC
"And upstate New York, I forgot about there."

A very big +1 to Frank for the upstate shout out.
Frank (100 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
Great place. Hundy lakes, minor league baseball and good beers.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
@Putin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Sweden#Population_statistics

85% of the population ethnic Swedes...
5% Swede-Finns or outright Finns...

That leaves 10% for non-indigenous figures.

How is that diverse?
ckroberts (3548 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
Let's not forget that many third party efforts have failed because they've been put down by legal and extralegal suppression (like the Socialist Party being destroyed during WWI or the Populist Party in the South being smashed by the white supremacist establishment).
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
Compare that to Japan and get back to me.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
I'm not saying Japan is diverse either, Putin--

I'm just saying that if you praise Sweden but make a backhanded statement towards Japan's lack of ethnic diversity, I think you hold a double standard.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
Meanwhile, back on topic, Julian Castro's giving a pretty good speech right now...
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
Sweden embraces immigrants. Japan condemns people to a life of statelessness. The rest of East Asia loathes Japan, that shining example as you call it.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
Keeping on the West Wing/Richard Schiff kick...

Julian Castro sounds like the Matt Santos character who ran for President after Bartlet on the show...

And what was Santos...but a Latino Congressman from Texas...like Castro! :)

"Sweden embraces immigrants."

http://www.thelocal.se/15198/20081024/

To give just the tagline--

"Greater numbers of Swedes are expressing hostility towards ethnic diversity, according to a new study."

Doesn't fit with your statement, Putin.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
And LOOK at the rest of East Asia, Putin--

Two prominent players...

North Korea and China.

Yeah...I'd think they'd loathe Japan, that's not really a surprise, historically OR politically, eh?

But considering North Korea loathes the USA and Israel and praises Iran, I somewhat question their communist, tyrannical tastes--I think their taste is out of the question.

And as for China...yeah...I'll let Japan/Chinese friction speak for itself, really, no need to explain there.

And from there, many nations are influenced by China, so an anti-Japanese bias is no accident.
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
Greater numbers than a negligible number, google warrior.
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
Yeah being the victims of remorseless violent occupation and sex slavery have nothing to do with it.
Friendly Sword (636 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
I hate to say it Obi, but you're way off mark here. Japan has produced a great many excellent things, including high quality cars, great video games, an excellent art form, but it has also produced some of the worst xenophobia the world has ever seen, a xenophobia it continues to exude and simultaneously deny.

Koreans are still treated as second class citizens, Ainu are still excluded (what remains of them) and Japanese media continues to parrot the superiority of Japanese society and culture on a daily basis.

Sweden may not be a paradise, but the Swedes at least have a strong critical media and intellectual community that is willing to approach and criticize problems of integration. The far-right exists, but it is quite marginalized and small compared to most countries. Moreover, it has a flourishing market economy and a great democracy that isn't constantly rocked by scandal, resignations and suicide (cough Japan).
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
What matters is how the political class views immigration and what the policies are. On that score its.not even close.
dubmdell (556 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
But the Japanese, unlike the Swedes, routinely instill in me a desire to give them money. And to ask my family to give them money around Christmas time. And then to splurge on the stuff my family didn't get me and give Japan even more money. Aren't video games great?
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
You must not like cheap minimalist self assembled furniture.
dubmdell (556 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
Putin, do you /ever/ read? The words I chose to use separate the Japanese video games from Ikea furniture. "routinely," "splurge," "video games," "instill." Furniture is rarely a routine desire, never an instilled desire, often not a splurge (I am not in the luxurious position of being able to cram more furniture into my apartment), and never, /never/ is furniture video games.
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
Arcade games are kinda like furniture.
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
Michelle speaks better than Obama. Obi is a doofus.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
Wow, I sure am put down by someone who's best criticism of me is that I'm "a doofus."
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
I have no problem with Michelle speaking, I just wish women didn't have to prostelatize for their men in the heat of these campaigns is all...

Forgive me for trying not to view women as merely a prize to further the careers of husbands.
Putin33 (111 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
Because any political support by spouses is exploitation.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
06 Sep 12 UTC
Just because I have to... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6uJkI9DE14&feature=g-vrec
Willtor (113 D)
06 Sep 12 UTC
"Forgive me for trying not to view women as merely a prize to further the careers of husbands."

I'm not sure that's how they feel about it. As I said, earlier, Bill stumped for Hillary four years ago. Did you feel that he was merely a prize to further the career of his wife?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
06 Sep 12 UTC
^
The short answer:

No

The real answer:

The Bill/Hillary Clinton situation, I would argue, is different because, well, Bill WAS already President...and he'd already had Hillary stump for him before...

So it could be said to be more of a mutual sort of a thing, and not just Hillary using Bill (insert your own "Clinton Sex Joke" here) to further her own ends.

With Mitt Romney...well...not so much.

After all, what did Ann Romney actually SAY in her speech?

She spoke about how youthful her husband was when they married...
What a wonderful person she thought he was and how he wowed her...
How HE was too modest to mention how amazing he was (so HE had HER do it)...
How he was "that boy I met at a high school dance" (she said that about 10 times)...

It was essentially little more than a husband talking up every last thing superficial thing about her husband that is to be praised about him, from looks to youth to "modesty" (again, it's not modesty when you claim you're too modest to say it and yet have your wife tout your accomplishments and "modesty" on national TV) and so on.

On the flip side--can we say Mitt has or was equally helping Ann?

It seems rather more one-sided than the Clinton Case; there, they tout each other, back and forth, whereas with the Romneys, it's essentially Ann being made to tout her husband without his necessarily reciprocating that.

I'll certainly grant the elephant in the room--that obviously, with Lewinsky-gate, the Clintons haven't had the perfect marriage, and I'm not taking them as such--but that doesn't take away from the cringe-worthy feeling of seeing a woman in 2012 have to give her one and only national speech not only on how wonderful her husband is and empower him when (let's be frank, Left and Right) he's about as empowered and wealthy as they come, but to have to talk up how her husband is so perfect that he'd be far, FAR too modest to mention just how many great things he's done and what a spectacular person he is...and so has his wife do it and refer to him as "that boy I met at a high school dance" repeatedly.

I harp on those points specifically because I think they're the most glaring examples--

I would venture to say NO wife, even the most loving, would honestly or willingly bend over and prostrate themselves to their husband's unparalleled and perfect splendor the way Ann Romney did WILLINGLY.

They might talk up their husband for political reasons, sure--but being forced into a speech and then, on top of that, talking up her husband as if he was perfection incarnate?

That's not the case, everyone knows that's not the case, and that's what makes it cringe-worthy, because SHE had to know this was not the case, and yet was trotted out (with no public speaking experience, I might add, so she's not like Hillary/Bill in that regard, both of whom were active politically, so giving an artificial speech to millions was nothing new or potentially scary to them) to praise her husband to the point where he came across as a figure of perfection?

That's not marriage. Bill cheating on Hillary was terrible, to say the least--but THAT is part of life and part of marriage, ie, PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES.

How much more "human"--following all that talk about how this speech was supposed to "humanize" Romney--would it have made Mitt appear if Ann Romney had described some of their problems in marital life, and how they worked through them and grew and how because of THAT, she felt, he was a strong enough and worthy person for the office of the Presidency of the United States of America?

Leaving feminism aside, how much better from a compositional standpoint would that have made her speech given her goal of humanizing him?

WE KNOW Mitt Romney is nowhere near as perfect as she painted him.
We know.
No one is.
No one expects that.

If she'd portrayed him as a man who'd made mistakes in their life together (and he has to have, again, there are mistakes in every life and every relationship, they DO NOT have a Leave It To Beaver marriage) but learned and grown because of them...and grown WITH HER HELP, showing that she was an EQUAL PARTNER in this marriage...

RATHER than worship him like some idolized, saintly, perfect figure who's not only never made such mistakes and is incredibly accomplished BUT is so humble and modest as to not tout these accomplishments, and merely let a team of publicists and now his own wife do it for him...

How much more powerful, effective, AND female-friendly would that message have been?

That sort of statement has been partially responsible for the rehabilitation of Bill Clinton's image and legacy after Watergate--he's looked on so remarkably favorably now, and if you'd told anyone in 2000 that by 2012 he'd be a welcome speaker for Democrats and even have his economic era commended to an extent by Republicans, and quite possibly be seen as the most popular living president out of Carter, the Bushes, himself, and Obama--would you have believed it?

And it's helped Hillary in turn as well, as she now comes across to many as a strong female leader and, in first taking a firm stance with her husband following his egregious misconduct and, after taking that firm stance and forcing him to won up to his wrongdoing, engineering a reconciliation in that marriage...well, she doesn't come across as the "cold" woman she once did, but a fully fleshed-out person, who has had to deal with and overcome issues millions of Americans can relate to while still finding a way to get ahead.

Rather than blanketly praise one another and pretend there were no foibles or faults in their marriage, owning up to the faults and confronting them and showing them as something they've surmounted has helped both of their political images and careers significantly, FAR MORE than one merely pandering shamelessly to the other would have (or could have) ever done.



So that no one gets the wrong idea--I AM NOT saying Mitt Romney is the sole culprit of this sort of spousal exploitation.

Other candidates have done the same...Barack Obama had Michelle and (mostly) blanketly praise him Tuesday.

I WILL say that, as First Lady, I think it's more acceptable that she now be called on to speak; after all, she's gone on Letterman and been no stranger to media attention and has worked towards social programs on her own in that role, so at least she's not new to the political arena and is just being pushed out onstage before millions of searching eyes with no experience or background in this herself, as was the case with Ann Romney.

I'm still not a fan of that, but it's more understandable.

Even so, I'd maintain:

Stumping for a spouse is one thing--it's not something I'm a fan of, but when Michelle or
Bill/Hillary or (to show I'm not partisan here) Rand Paul (who has her own views and has developed and spoken on them) do so, it's one thing. They're all, to varying extents, political figures, and all fair game...and what's more, they treat their spouses favorably, but as human beings.

But being made to stump for your husband with NO experience in politics, NO experience with public speaking, and on top of that, rather than merely present a mostly-favorable-if-flawed picture, to be made to go so far as to tout the youth and wealth and charity and accomplishments and THEN "modesty" of her husband...

To have that campaign spew the line that HE is so modest he'd NEVER tout his "success"...so here she is to do it for him, and paint him as a figure of perfection, possibly at her own expense...

I take issue THERE.

On the one hand, I don't feel it's very empowering for women...
On the other, I don't feel it works structurally towards the goal of humanizing Romney.

Human beings are NOT, as Madison pointed out, perfect or angels--

If we were, we'd have no need for government.

So painting Mitt Romney as a perfect figure doesn't humanize him one bit--but, rather, makes him seem all the more artificial, distant, and unrelatable to we mere mortals, we common voters...after all, WE'RE just human.
Friendly Sword (636 D)
06 Sep 12 UTC
I'm sure Romney has taken to heart your view that he is not being structurally strategic. :P
Putin33 (111 D)
07 Sep 12 UTC
Granholm 2016. Holy shit, she killed it.
Putin33 (111 D)
07 Sep 12 UTC
Everybody is raving about Michelle's speech Obi. They are a partnership of equals. Mrs. Obama has done a great deal on her own for the country and that was talked about at length.

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teufelhunden83 (100 D)
07 Sep 12 UTC
New standard game
Name: Regular Diplo
Bet Size: 101
Phase Time: 1 day
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
07 Sep 12 UTC
Mount Fuji about to Erupt?
http://now.msn.com/mount-fuji-close-to-erupting-experts-say

I know its not a real article, but still if it is true, nature is really shitting on Japan these days.
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WildX (0 DX)
07 Sep 12 UTC
join our game
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
22 Aug 12 UTC
So you think you can Diplomacy?
Hi,
I'm setting up a Full-Press Classic WTA. This game requires a Ghost Rating (not Ranking! see GR list) of >150. The game will be anonymous, although a list of participants will be presented here, entry costs 354 kudos, and in the end, I win. There are 3 special rules :-)
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Friendly Sword (636 D)
05 Sep 12 UTC
Parti Quebecois elected in Quebec
The separatist provincial party has unseated the incumbent Liberal Party. Seule à Canada...

Any opinions on what this will mean? A referendum is unlikely of course, but any predictions on what new restrictions on English will succeed, which of the PQ's fun social experiments will be unleashed on the province?
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Alderian (2425 D(S))
05 Sep 12 UTC
September Ghost Ratings
http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/theghost-ratingslist
or if that isn't working for some reason
https://sites.google.com/site/phpdiplomacytournaments/theghost-ratingslist
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
06 Sep 12 UTC
Mallory Weggemann
I don't have an article to post, if someone might find one that would be awesome.
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Gunfighter06 (224 D)
06 Sep 12 UTC
Movie Night with Gunfighter
I had the day off yesterday, and instead of doing anything productive I got sucked into about 8 hours of AMC. Yesterday I saw The Sum of All Fears (2002), Goodfellas (1990), and Crimson Tide (1995). My reaction to each below.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
06 Sep 12 UTC
A Story About Nietzsche...
A student was writing an essay about Friedrich Neitzche and his essay was about 10 pages. He wrote all through the night in order to complete his essay on time for the next day. In his haste, he did no editing. Instead, he relied on his program to do so. Auto correct.
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semck83 (229 D(B))
05 Sep 12 UTC
DNC blatantly ignores vote of delegates
I wouldn't normally bring this up, since I think that putting much importance on the secondary goings-on at a convention is irrelevant to anything real. But since there was much hullabaloo at this site over a couple things at the Republican convention (rules, seating of delegates, and the teleprompter vote call, which were all silly, sure enough),....
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
04 Sep 12 UTC
what the shit?
Why am I paying for this?

http://www.wbur.org/2012/09/04/inmate-sex-change
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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
05 Sep 12 UTC
You are cordially invited to The Confederate Grand Ball
Gen. Lee to host The Confederate Grand Ball
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
05 Sep 12 UTC
Bristol Baby!

So i'm moving... are there any diplomacy players in Bristol? face-to-face games would be great. And has anyone else lived in Bristol or gone to University there? Any stories, or useful information would be of interest...
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WildX (0 DX)
06 Sep 12 UTC
join this game
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