User name means nothing. Just because CM's name has "conservative" in it doesn't mean he's conservative. Just because spyman has "spy" in it doesn't mean he's one of those Spy Kids (can't believe they're making a new one).

Is it wrong for a 14, 15, 16 year old to voice him or herself? By all means, some one should tell me and I'll stop right here.

Now this on the other hand, is not: (addition to our private conversation):
krellin:You ARE the whiny bitch, aren't you? "Conservative"???? Not a chance. Por little boy sticks his hand out and demands government assistance.

You make me want to puke.

I don't give a fuck about your dad. I don't give a fuck about your mom. I have my OWN family to feed and house! Why the fuck shoudl I have to tajke away from MY family to give YOU something!!!

O can't even give my kids all that I want to....b8ut you....you selfish asshole....want to TAKE from me...to give to yourself???!?!?!?!

FUCK YOU You can't even pretend to be a conservative.

a *Real* conervative WOULD get whatever job he had to to help his mom...and NOT make excuses. ZYOU are full of excuses....but more than that, you are full of *nothing....no skill, no desire....because you don't need desire, right? Because you KNOW that Obama and the good Liberals will write you and Mommy a check every month.

If you are a REAL Conservative....make your own money....find a church to help you...and do NOT cash that next check.

Oh no....you can't do that. You NEED the government money, right?


Worthless fucking hypocrite.

Go ahead, bitch...CASH MY CHECK....becaise *I* am the one that pays taxes to give you that government check!!!

You are NO conservative! You are a worthless liar.

@krellin

You know, when you told us about your problem, the community was very receptive. Why is it so hard to do the same in return. It's possible to criticize someone in a constructive way, which in my experience is usually better, but you seem to go out of your way not to do. And, frankly, CM doesn't seem to exhibit most of the traits you're accusing him of having. He's not lazy, he works hard at school and home, he doesn't brag or show off, and he *does* listen to people with more experience than he.

You talk a lot about how you hate leechers; how about you practice what you preach and stop leeching off this community.

Oh, to make it clear, if you didn't read the above conversation I posted, that is what krellin said to me.

abge +1

But, to be fair, posting private messages in public is super tacky, CM.

Grow up, krellin. If you want people to respect you, you better start acting respectable.

Oh, and CM: stay in school.

@abge: krellin had said he was going to post his version, so I felt I needed to post the actual messages first. Otherwise I wouldn't have done it.

Well, you still could have been the bigger person.

Krellin, you're how old?

If you have bottled up anger don't take it out on a kid.
....no class

@Scuba

Krellin's bottles are always empty, actually.

I think CM should stop arguing with Krellin too. He knows what he is in for before it starts - this isn't the first time we have seen a thread like this. Time for these two children to go an play in separate corners of the playground.

typo... go *and play in separate corners of the playground

@spyman: okay *CM goes to the left side of the playground, far from krellin* But seriously, I'm gonna re-mute him right now.

@abgemacht

lol

The perils of idleness.

Don't mind Krellin, he's just a troll. Debate him honestly without hurling insults on any topic and he crumbles... the logic just isn't there.

Personally I would like to apologize to Krellin and Conservative Man for commenting on a private argument even if it was made in a public forum. Personally, if I were in an argument in a public place, say McDonalds for example, and was having an argument with someone, I wouldn't want the guy behind me or the cashier commenting about whether I was the right one or the person I was having the argument with. It truly doesn't matter who I think is right or wrong; the argument just didn't involve me and for that sole reason alone I apologize to them both. Being new here of course, I have still not yet learned the various relationships, albeit good or bad, between the members.

That's the beauty of the internet, though. You can totally not MYOB and there are virtually no consequences

krellin, perhaps I should explain this. I am not an alligator. Or any kind of reptile, nor am I involved in organized crime.
This screen name is just something I chose when I signed up because it amused me.

Similarly, as a 15 year old (who was probably much younger when he joined up) Conservative Man may have been a Conservative. Now he may not be. This is not unusual in someone his age, nor is it a bad thing. He is still in the process of deciding who he is. That's what adolescence is for.

I'm not an Apple either!!!

rofl

mafia +1

Nor is King Atom a King (of a REAL country)

Mafia +1 lmfao

I dunno Krellin, I don't think CM is as bad as you're making him out to be, and I think i must be somewhere around your age (if not older). He's just a kid who's a bit unsure of his beliefs and a tad argumentative, I'm sure he has good intentions.

My sons were the same way at that age, confused. Cut him some slack, he's just someone trying to figure out who he is

@krellin: Are you enjoying wasting your life on the forum, offending people? I agree with you on a lot of issues, but you are channeling negative energies into a positive cause, hurting yourself and others. Go do something constructive and stop wasting your life. Go read "Atlas shrugged" again, and this time learn not only the principles, but the attitude as well.

@CM: Ignore krellin. It doesn't matter whether he is a troll, an ill person, or just your imagination toying with you. Arguing with him makes you waste your time, not gaining anything in return. Go do something constructive and stop wasting your time on people like krellin.

@krellin - <*SMACK*> You said to smack you if I thought you were going off the deep end again. CM is just a kid and trying to make it through what is obviously a very tough life. Is he perfect? No. But then none of us are. Cut him a little slack. And don't worry, I have some words for him too.

@CM - <*SMACK*> - Sorry, but you had it coming. You had a private disagreement with krellin and broguht it to the forum even before posting the conversation. Had you never started this thread but come to one or two of us whom you respect (not me necessarily, but someone like abge or someone else if you like), and talked to them, you could have gotten some sage advice without having to deal with anyone else chiming in as well.

@Both - Grow up! Or at least act your age! krellin, put down the bottle. I have a feeling you had a bad night of it tonight. CM, focus on your mom for a while and leave this thread be. You'll be much better off for it.

"Nice speech...<yawn...>

You, no doubt, are a rather intelligent kid. The mere fact that you play Diplomacy indicates that to me. You also have some good thoughts. You are also grossly inexperienced....yet portray yourself as somebody who knows much.

*that* is what I find so offensive. THAT is what rubs me wrong about *most* of the youth of America these days. Most of you do NOT have respect for elders....and, I'm afraid to say...neither do you. Your overconfident mannerisms on these threads, your dismissal of alternative philosophies...that is arrogance and pride. What do you base your self-assurance on? Experience? Or what Mom and Dad shoved into your head? Or your teachers or your pastor?

Believe it or not, I grew up Christian and Conservative. I find Christians to be the worst hypocrites of all. I believe in God....I have ceased to believe in self-professing Christians, who in the name of loving all, often cast judgements on all. conservative I agree with....but it is a conservative based upon experience, as opposed to some hard-core, straight-line conservatism like you and Tettleton spew forth. You guys regurgitate ideology....you regurgigtate your Utopian dreams....and yet, nobody has ever succeeded in setting up utopia, because the random and selfish nature of humanity always screws it up.

I'll bet you are a "lock-em-up-and-throw-away-the-key" guy when it comes to crime. And yet....I'll bet you have never talked to an inner-city kid with no father, with a crack-whore mother and school that will pass them on to the next grade regardless of what they do. I'll bet you never talked to a kid who grew up in a culture where your first stint in jail is a badge of honor, and something to be respected, have you? No....I'l bet your idea of "those people" is too bad, so sad; they have every chance that you have if they only applied themselves....to which I would reply....that is *exactly* what someone who knows nothing would say as they regurgitate what has been forced in to their brain.

When I was in 10th grade, I thought i was the cat's ass, too. It wasn't until I got in to college -- away from the influence of Mommy and Daddy and church that I actually started to think for myself. Mostly, my philosophy has remained unchanged....but, 20 years from now you may recall our conversation, and you may thik, "Damn....that krellin was right..."

You are an arrogant little prick - that's why I dislike you, whether or not I agree with you. You are so full of righteousness....but you have experience with which to back up those beliefs. How can you tell a socialist he is wrong when you have never had a job, never paid taxes, never suffered or struggled or been treated unjustly by the capitalist system because of skin color, or social status? I despise you because you call yourself a MAN....and yet you don't even approximate a man. You are much more like a little bird...a parrot....just squawk, squawk, squawking away with whatever you have been brainwashed to say.

I mostly agree with you in principle...but your refusal to even acknowledge that you might be wrong here or there....that is what offends me the most, and others as well. Sometimes it is OK to say, "Hmmm....you have a point there...let me think about that..." instead of always having to have the right answer right now.

You don't treat others with respect, even though you claim to. You treat others with disregard....because if they don't repeat your own thoughts to you....and your own thoughts are really your parent's thoughts....then you dismiss them. How is that respect? You aren't respectful *at all*. In fact...you are so afraid of dissenting views, you *mute* people. That's respect? You put yourself into a public forum, but are unwilling to listen to others while you spew forth your own brand of nonsense? THAT is the very defintion of disrespect.

With any luck, you will consider my words...
Most likely, though, you will dismiss me...because you have no respect for anyone that disagrees with you..."
You sound like one of my teachers here... Do you happen to teach economics at a school in Toronto?

"How the hell is anarchy a 'popular idea'? Most of the world are not anarchists. I was. That just shows I thought for myself and didn't follow the crowd."
Most teenagers have a phase where they support anarchy...

"@krellin: I'd really love to see your version, considering mine was an exact copy and paste of our conversation"

I would to

This is so ridiculous...
even for my standards.