I don't believe in the rapture but I gotta say that you're a bunch of smug bastards. Whats with the need to make fun of others beliefs even if they may be unfounded. All of us have a wide range of things we believe in which have poor foundations.

they forget the time period in between the second and third dates on that chronology in which the noah family had several incestuous orgies to propogate the species XD and serioussham, you name does in fact imply correctly that you are far too serious (and perhaps ham as well? :P) no need to get offended. we're just having a fun time, all our existences are fragile, but laughter makes life a little more fun. if religous folks want to crack jokes at atheists all the power to them, but don't discourage good hearted fun please

Why so serious? Ham.

Serioussham, if you believe something that you acknowledge has "poor foundations"... why would you believe it?

Because we all have certain schemas which we develop in the course of our lives which are very resistant to change even in the face of over whelming evidence. Our perception also influences the formation of these schemas and our perception is not always 100% correct, case in point being that my name is seriousSham, yet 2 people believed it was ham.

So, just to clarify on your first post, you're saying that, out of respect, no one should have their beliefs questioned or mocked? No matter how ridiculous or flimsy those beliefs are?

Questioning is fine, obviously we all have different background etc., which shape what we believe. Mocking people's ideals and beliefs makes you a bit of a dick though. Besides who decides what evidence is flimsy and what is ridiculous?

We decide. Each of us, for ourselves. It may be totally subjective, but we all have the power to think critically to some extent. While no opinion may be more valid than another from an objective standpoint, we can still observe the world around us and attempt to draw rational, logical conclusions from it. Sometimes those conclusions conflict with the conclusions of others. Should we hold our tongues when confronted with lazy, illogical thinking?

I know, I know, "who decides what's logical", right?

@ omgwhathappened

Your webDiplomacy name is very appropriate for a rapture.

If it is totally subjective and we all make our own reality then how can you logically use it to attack someone else's point of view? both opinions based on subjective reasoning would be completely incomparable. Deductive logic from inductive reasoning man lead to error. Anyways this thread was hardly created to question and learn but to make fun of people. Can't we all just get along without being douches?

That's what I'm trying to do. It's why I'm questioning your beliefs instead of mocking them :D

http://peasandcougars.wordpress.com/2011/05/19/will-you-be-raptured-flowchart/

Every one tomarow is not the end of the world god said that us as man will not know when Jesus shall return. So I personaly think this is a false prediction. This has happened before in 2000 and 1999........

actually god said more recently that he's changed his plan, he realised the drowning everyone in noah's flood was wrong and once more he has realised that threatening us with a 'rapture' will not bring about peace or the 'kingdom of heaven on earth' which his son keeps harping on about.

He has a new plan which is based on modern understanding of the brain as the physical basis for free will and modern behavioural studies to help humans 'enlighten' themselves, but his plan is still beyond us so he can't reveal it without corrupting the basic operating parameters of the plan.

All the awnsers are in the bible and you are wrong about modern understanding he has had a plane and it has not changed god is time it self he knows what he is doing from the start his love and justice is the basic for the flood and it is beond human understanding. The bible is the awnser to this. revalations is what you should read for what will happen.

I just do what the Flying Spaghetti Monster tells me.

what?

The Flying Spaghetti Monster. I read about him in an old book. Everything about him is true because the book says so.

also as I said before we wont know when Jesus comes again.

ok you are makeing fun of all holy books of religon and the science book says all males have penises and it say that thats true you tell me if it is

Where in the Bible does it mention a rapture? Give me a verse.

In answer to Serioussham's question, at least part of the reason in this specific case, I'm mocking this prediction because I'm somewhat cynical about its motives. I suspect that the Rev. Camping is saying this mostly for attention. And thus he's being a dick too, and is therefore completely mockable. Secondly, and this applies more generally, ideas don't exist in a vacuum. People believe in the things they believe in for a reason, and that may be fair, but people use those beliefs, and their beliefs lead them to sometimes less than honourable ends. I don't want to live in a world where anyone's beliefs about anything, however ill formed can do so much to shape the world around me. And ridicule is one way of affecting that process. And to answer your question of what is logical and what isn't, you can argue all you like that all viewpoints are equally valid, and one man's logic is another man's insanity, however, some ways of thinking are more likely to lead to positions and opinions which are, for want of a better term, "congruent with reality". Mr. Camping's way of looking at the world has led him to believe that the rapture will occur tomorrow. Mine has led me to believe that it will not. He believes the biblical flood happened. I do not. Now, he may be as sane and as rational as I am. But on each of these things, only one of us can be correct, either Noah's flood happened, or it didn't, either the rapture will occur tomorrow, or it will not. I suppose you could argue that we'll never know if the flood occurred, and for the sake of argument I'll concede that point. But when christians don't start floating up to heaven like a crate of blow up dolls filled with helium...some people might be left wondering what it is that some people were correct and others were not.

the most recent books added to the bible haven't been accepted by your church.

Why is it you 'christians' think God spent thousands of years helping wise people learn and then shortly after 33AD he just stopped and decided to leave everyone alone... sheesh!

"either the rapture will occur tomorrow, or it will not."

but how will you determine for certain? and will everyone agree on this 'truth'

fuzzyhartle1, the fact that you would make reference to "the science book" (even metaphorically) indicates that you don't have even the slightest understanding of how science actually works.

"but how will you determine for certain?" I put it to you, that if, in an event in which people disappear, was supposed to have occurred and yet, no one had disappeared, that we can say "this event never occurred."

I am a dedicated christian and i dont not believe that the rapture will happen tomarow becuase of what god said. He said that that man will not know when Jesus comes. I see your point mafia no one can tell another to believe in something. elfboy are you a Christian or a skeptic because I cant awnser that because I have not red the whole bible none the less memorized it.

Adding a book to the bible would is a sin and Mafia I do understand how it works Im saying that the bible is a rel book. how could someone write a book and keep it consistant. also the books old testament is the jewsh verson of the bible. I dont mean to affend anyone im just saying we wont know if it will happen also you wont see us fly in the air only our spirits will.

most christians would argue with you but I dont care if you believe or not I am just giving you info on what would happen and for sake of arguement awnser this question. If a cell can only come from another where did the first cell come from. Humans were not around then if thats what you believe.