"Because I believe in personal responsibility. Because I don't believe in conspicuous consumption. Because I don't believe in keeping up with the Joneses. Buy what you NEED, not what you want. Buy what you can AFFORD, not what makes you look good."

I agree with that too.
and I agree that at least some of the peopl who are being foreclosed on, are completely at fault.
but that is not the cause of this.
predatory loans, mendacious and deleterious practices by the federal reserve, and pro-corporation laws passed (or anti-corp laws repealed) by the government is what is mostly at fault.
so when the big guys pick on the little guys to line their pockets, i know whose side i am on.

also "why are you so opposed to *this*" as I'm sure you knew

Darwyn, I'm not sure how you declare game, set and match without finding out whether I think its right for these companies to be getting bailouts. I won't dispute the quote you gave there. I don't like that either.

also how am I being hypocritical?
I said it is not my place to judge others. its not. who am I to judge anyones personal beliefs?
that doesnt stop me form doing it, everyone judges whether conscious or not.
I'm not claiming I dont judge people, I'm just saying its not as if I hold some lofty moral high ground to do it from.

also can we please god not do the +1 thing

huh? I didn't declare game, set and match. I asked you a question, and then stated my opinion.

It seems we are in agreement then.

boo fascism

hooray anarchism

"also can we please god not do the +1 thing"

lol...Sicarius +2

ok, I'll stop. I never really liked that anyway.

I can't say I'm surprised. Actually, I expected Sicarius to be at the G-20 protests in the UK. Nothing is more hilarious then seeing British riot cops beat the shit out of a bunch of fruity protesters.

Big whoop about making the news. I made the local news when I coordinated a CAP search when our squadron commander was out of town.

actually the g-20 protestors are kicking ass.

really, gee I would love to see that clip, so we know you're not completly full of shit, and making it up.

and its not about being on the news, its about what we're doing. being on the news just means I can show other people instead of just telling them about it

This isn't about Diplo1824.

So, answer my question please. Do you believe that people who fail to make monthly payments on cars should be able to keep their cars? Are you ready to say "screw the banks" on auto payments?

If so, what about those who are not making payments on refrigerators, big screen tvs, and washing machines?

And college loans and small business loans?

I wont say whether they should be able to keep their cars and other shit, but I wont be risking anything myself to help them with that

Why Sicarius? How is that line arbitrarily drawn in your head? Instead of letting people their homes they couldn't afford, let the bank sell them, and with whatever principal is left, they can get an apartment. Still a roof over their head. Why keep them in homes they will never be able to afford? Or go live in public housing.

are you suggesting that people are being foreclosed on solely through fault of their own?
because thats certainly what it sounds like

Are you suggesting a loan holiday where no one can ever be evicted from their homes again, so no one should pay their mortgage? because thats certainly what it should like

"I wont say whether they should be able to keep their cars and other shit"

Why not? I thought you were for "people not profit"??

Why not DJ, the lenders just got a loan holiday

And I'm not in favor of that either trip.

OK, but you seem to put all the blame on the regular folk but half of them wouldn't have gotten the loans if the banks weren't playing both sides of the fence.

If you want to stop foreclosures you need to do it through legal means. You won't actually accomplish anything this way through blocking sheriff sales and such, it just gets you arrested and the people still lose their home.

But if it makes you feel good, go ahead. Just don't expect results or not to get thrown in jail.

trip, yes, i blame people for ruining their lives. i blame the banks for ruining the economy.

That logic is perfect, DingleberryJones. There's so much blind demagoguery in this thread.

we're doing it through legal means as well.
our first big campaign is to call the sheriff for a mortorium (sp) on forclosures

But how can he do that legally?

My sentiments exactly DJ

"I have a vague desire to punch mahatma ghandi is the face "
i giggled

you dont have to answer but...do you still associate with your parents?

dont ask me ask the sherrif
theres already been sherrif who've done it.
cook county, humbolt county, somewhere im MI, others

yeah. me and my girl went to see my dad on saturday, and my ma came over for lunch today

why?

im just wondering because it seems you have taken extensive road trips but with no mention of family participation