shock, your points may be valid, but you are droll and obtuse.

TrPrabo, could you provide a specific example of what you are talking about. If you read my statement I define socialism as the imposition of government power on the individual that decreases their individual freedom. You may have your own definition of socialism. I would appreciate a specific example of what you are talking about, and does it make society better. I'm more than willing to agree if convinced.

Hey CAPT Bad, don't forget to cash your government check brought to you by an hard working American who can cut it.

i don't get a government check.

as for your hard work, i was out in the world keeping communists, socialists and other enemies and threats away from your world so you could earn a paycheck instead of work in a gulag.

besides, your are probably one of the 49% who pay little or no federal income tax. the tax you pay is for your own social safety net when you turn 65 or 66; and even that is insufficient for what the actual cost will be to the 'taxpayer'.

My definition for socialism would be "public ownership of the means of production," but I've been that that's just "Marxist rhetoric."

I've been told that by self-avowed socialists that is.

Stalin and Lenin are your heroes TrPardo, How many millions do you think they murdered between them? You rant about Hamilton, Jefferson, Washington, and Adams. What circus freak show do you perform in?

I said I'm a globalist and a capitalist.

I can defend opinions contradictory to my own. I'm magic.

Can anyone defend Ghengis Khan?

Silk Road reopened trade and cooperation and he was very religiously tolerant.

The fact that all of Washington's men volunteered for duty and weren't conscripted is an example of the individual freedom vs socialism I'm talking about. Definitely superior to a conscripted force. When has an army of American draftees been superior to American volunteers? Exactly my point. The American officer corps from West Point is all volunteer and arguably the finest in the world.

Lincoln, one of American history's most notable industrialists, hit a low point when he approved a draft during the Civil War.

Can anyone defend capitalism? I define it as diminishing personal freedom in exchange for a giant tyrannical cheeto.

I can defend capitalism.
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Is that a cheeto accusation on the forum?

So is raising an army or building a (non-toll) road socialism by the OP definition?

And police forces and firefighters?

VapidFrittata, could you provide a specific example of what you are talking about. If you read my statement I define capitalism as the imposition of giant cheeto on the individual that decreases their individual freedom. You may have your own definition of capitalism. I would appreciate a specific example of what you are talking about, and does it make society better. I'm more than willing to agree if convinced.

Is anyone interested in TESOL, ESL, passports or fake drivers liscenses? Those are forms of caoitalism

This seems like a troll thread. But in the event that it's not, and Stormtrooper wants to be taken seriously,

@stormtrooper - I think others have alluded to this, but you seem to be conflating two concepts. I deduce that you're either a troll, an AnCap, or both. "Socialism" and "government" aren't the same thing. Both limit freedom, sure, but the former is a species, while the latter is the genus. There are other kinds of government that limit freedoms (for example, speed limits, or laws against theft). The existence of speed limits doesn't make a regime socialist, does it? Unless you're trolling, a better question might be: does the extent to which a socialist government limits freedom really produce a more virtuous and happy citizenry than other forms of government?

(PS: As an American constitutional conservative, I think the socialist outlook doesn't work in the long run. Either way, Stormtrooper should rephrase his question, because it'll produce better discussion (or continued trolling). Carry on.)

Food for thought:
Check out this article, and the studies the author cites, if you're interested in seeing some of the attempts to replace naturally occurring institutions with centralized governmental controls.

http://bit.ly/2hxjSZU

hey, shock you hypocrite! you attack me for getting a government check and then go on a rant about the volunteer military. Well i served in that same voluntary military. Furthermore, i was too young for the draft and too old for selective service registration, still i served for eleven years of active service and another eighteen years of reserve service. in other words, i am a TOTAL volunteer. and all though my service will earn me a small pension i still have to wait until i am sixty to receive it. as for West Point, I went to Annapolis so i know who serves and how we feel about so called 'patriots' such as you! you should just zip up your lip and crawl back into the troll hole that you came from.

and what the hell 'nazi' name is storm trouper anyway. those lousy soldiers LOST twice to the american and allied forces. i hate nazi's!!!!!

"If you read my statement I define socialism as the imposition of government power on the individual that decreases their individual freedom."

I define dD as a socialist femenazi bra size.
dD_ShockTrooper: Can you defend socialist femenazism?

Socialism, as many people on here would want it known as, is simply the rule of government. Honestly, do you guys not think before you type?

Can anyone defend the dead weight loss of Christmas gifting?

Can anyone defend releasing the krakken?