I hope the bounty hunter has to target me.

@Fluminator: Why do you hope that the bounty hunter targets you? And why should we all vote end?

my comment is mostly a joke wjessop, i'll trust anyone when they deserve it. you're far from a target. if you're town i expect you to be just as strong a townie as you were scum in the last game and would want you hanging around.

That was a tad defensive eh y2k.

Everyone should vote end because it will make wagons much more interesting and telling.

only scummy thing i see so far is tvrocks, i don't like that second vote on ghug even if it is a joke. turns the joke into a legitimate lynch candidate for zero stated real reason. i'll start off with a ##VOTE tvrocks.

eh maybe it was, just trying to say i'm not jumping on wjessop and was just joking.

I almost like Flum's logic there. Voting end would certainly cut out the early game bull...

I thought thd's entrance was a little odd there, implying that Yoyo could be lynched for his dodgy speaking but not putting a vote up himself.

only almost?

So we're all pretty good at this whole Mafia thing right? How exactly do we want to start off the serious part of the game? I'd seriously doubt we'd end up with a no lynch on the first day.

Sheep a town wagon and vote ##end.

I don't understand Flum's idea at all. For it to be effective, it takes a simple majority (not a plurality) to vote to END. Even in the unlikely event that happened, the only thing I can see it doing is make rebels slightly less likely to be the vote that turns a potential plurality vote into a majority vote that would end the phase.

I just don't really see the benefit it brings us outweighing the inertia of setting it up and actually implementing it. But if you really think it's such a good idea, convince me.

Flum, define a "town wagon". The only wagon I can be certain is town-driven this early would be one of my own making. So, how can any of us go around sheeping a "town wagon".

Also, as I recall, sheeping wagons ON town was how the mafia tend to hide best. They don't even need to push those ones, and they can escape some of the fallout of missed lynches better if they weren't the driving force, but more of a contributor to the momentum of the lynch.

Have you ever been scum and been only a few votes away from being lynched then and there? It's a frightening thing.
With how we play right now, that pressure is only there near the deadline.

A town wagon is a wagon consisting entirely of town.

So... Who do you guys think has the more potential to be really dangerous: bounty hunter or the rebels?

The rebels are a bigger threat because they're are three of them. The Bounty Hunter is just one man, and in the end he'll probably get lynched or night killed or something. Rebels have some decent powers, and with all of us being experienced players, it will be tough to catch them.

I think an end vote is a bad idea, by the way. Day 1 lynches, while much more likely to be on a townie than a mafiaso, give a lot of information later on. Basically, I've come to appreciate them in retrospect. It's not so much about WHO we lynch, it's about HOW we lynch them... all the interactions, analysis, and information we can gather after the fact.

Anyway, I will join Warden just to get a vote in, and ##VOTE No-Lynch

@Chaqa: I'm confused by your contradictions -- you say we need to lynch Day 1 then vote No Lynch? Why?

I don't plan on actually voting no lynch in the end. I just want to make sure I have a vote in. Although now I realize I joke voted ghug the second the game started, so I really didn't need to.

Why do you "need to make sure" you have a completely pointless "vote in"?

It's redundant.

You might as well ##vote Rubio, it's not making any difference.

If that's your logic.

##VOTE Chaqa, this needing to vote business is throwing up red flags for me

I was asking which had more potential, which it seems like it would be the bh. If they survive until the end they will basically be a janitor/ ninja/ mafioso mix, the mafia will be almost guaranteed to lose at least one member by the end, and a bh at the end may be even more potentially harmful than 2 rebels. He/ she would have the potential to prevent the town from gaining info which is the very most important thing for the town. I think that he does have a lot more potential to be dangerous end game, but that we should mainly focus on the mafia now.

I think that chaqa's "need to put a vote in" is very scummy, so i definitely look forward to his response.

... really? I "need to vote" because it's one of the rules we use. You HAVE to place a vote. Why not go complain of Warden? He did the same thing. I'm not going to respond anymore to this, if you're really that concerned about the way I phrased it, welcome to the past 10 games of me getting scum read because of that.

I'm frankly sick of being scum read within the first day of every game. It's fucking annoying.

There are still over 40 hours. As an experienced player you should at least be able to deal with the pressure of having to place a vote in, and even if you were going to vote, why not vote for a lurker to try getting them to talk? It would do the town way more good than just placing in a seemingly random vote that you mentioned in the post that you don't agree with.

Lol Chaqa you need to calm down. Warden did not do the same thing. He actually supports a No Lynch. You just threw down no lynch as a placeholder, which makes no sense. It puts no pressure on anyone to speak up, it does no good.

After 10 games why aren't you able to organise yourself and wait to vote for justified reasons? Your comment that you've played 10 games but get scumreads every time is "fucking annoying" for the rest of us too if you're town because it just tells us that you're not learning and not able to think straight or be patient.

If you have been scumread every game because of it, it may be a good idea to stop in future games, no matter which team you are on.