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P13ANATOR (100 D)
12 Aug 15 UTC
Hi I am new, quick question
I am starting a game with some friends, can you play with less than 7 people? If so, is anything different compared to a full game? Thanks :-)
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ND (879 D)
20 Jul 15 UTC
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MX: All Star Game
See inside for details
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
10 Aug 15 UTC
MAFIA XI: Confirmations
I know some people may not realize sign up thread is also confirmation thread so let's make that ultra clear:
Starts 8/11/15, 6 PM EDT
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guak (3381 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
When retards play gunboat
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JamesYanik (548 D)
11 Aug 15 UTC
Fly Free My Baby :'(
I just sold my first computer, it was really old but i'll never forget its beauty. I never can think of things to bring on trips, but my computer was my best possession. It was like a Mac -1... you know, pre-internet
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
10 Aug 15 UTC
Ferguson
Apparently the anniversary of Mike Brown's death turned into a reenactment. Anyone know anything?
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2ndWhiteLine (2736 D(B))
04 Aug 15 UTC
2015 Gunboat Tournament Ideas
See inside.
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trip (696 D(B))
10 Aug 15 UTC
Cheap Gunboats
3 games, 10 point, 36hr, WTA, HDV, Anon
First come, first served...
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ghug (5068 D(B))
29 Jul 15 UTC
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Pacific Northwest FTF
I've only ever played FTF with people who don't really care about the game and want to be done after a year, and I always feel a twinge of jealousy when I sew those people having fun playing in real life on that crappy coast across the country. This is just a post to see who might be interested in getting something set up on this side of the country. I'm in the Seattle area.
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Hlud (115 D)
10 Aug 15 UTC
Monday Evening Live-2
I'm trying to join Monday Evening Live-2 starting in half an hour, as it only shows 6 current players, but only gives me the option to spectate. Why is this? My RR is 100%
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TrPrado (461 D)
05 Aug 15 UTC
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Conundrum
So the people who make the schedules at my school are kinda dumb. I signed up for both AP Micro/Macroeconomics and AP European History. Only one class of each is being offered. And they happen to be the same hour. So I need to drop one and pick up some other course. I really don't know, so what (preferably AP) course would you suggest for me to take instead of AP Micro/Macroeconomics (because there's no chance I'll drop Euro)?
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
07 Aug 15 UTC
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DIPCON @ Philadelphia Massacre - Live
I'm risking life and limb to bring you guys the latest news all weekend and all tournament long.
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Check_mate (100 D)
03 May 15 UTC
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Not "Who am I?", but WHERE am I?
Have some time to kill. Ask yes/no questions to guess WHERE I am. If you guess right you go next. If you guess wrong you're out for the rest of the round.
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
07 Jul 15 UTC
MAFIA XI: Sign-ups
MAFIA XI: Sign-ups
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ssorenn (0 DX)
04 Aug 15 UTC
The dreams of solo--
Friends and enemies are welcome. 36 hour wta anon 50pt. Who wants action?
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Check_mate (100 D)
10 Aug 15 UTC
Cheating accusations
Without mentioning names or game ID's, can I please clarify something.

Making cheating accusations via in-game global press is not allowed, right? The correct procedure being to email the mods who will investigate?
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
08 Aug 15 UTC
New Italian strategy article
The army in Venice should go to Piedmont.

(with apologies to Chris Martin)
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MrcsAurelius (3051 D(B))
23 Jul 15 UTC
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Setting up a game
Hi, I have been absent for three years. Its startin' to itch, as Diplomacy remains my favorite board game! Want to play a game with a friend of mine who also hasn't played for a long while.
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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
09 Aug 15 UTC
I'm still alive
Sorry about that.
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Octavious (2732 D)
09 Aug 15 UTC
Clause IV
The people's flag is deepest red, or at least it could be. Comrade Corbyn has been suggesting he could bring back clause IV into the Labour Party constitution. I'm interesting in what it sounds like to an international audience.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Aug 15 UTC
My Cat's name is Shadow!!! EOG
This is the difficulty of playing a stalemate line, and I done goofed.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Aug 15 UTC
I got a cat
she is shadow
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CL8At_SUwAAl-74.jpg
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CMurder (749 D)
07 Aug 15 UTC
Getting Germany every single game
Hi everybody, I'd like to ask if anyone has experience with an account getting a certain country every single game. One of my friends who I've played in several games against has drawn Germany out of the pot every single time. We're onto the fifth time out of 5 games he's gotten Germany.

I'd put it up to chance but we've reached 5 sigma and are on our way to 6. Thoughts?
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JamesYanik (548 D)
08 Aug 15 UTC
THE PREMIER LEAGUE IS BACK!!!
Join a Modern Live game as we watch Spurs and United fight it out, followed by the Premier League Season!!!
gameID=165741
Come on soccer nerds, you'll be on your labtop checking stats so just join it and stop pretending.
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OutsideSmoker27 (204 D)
04 Aug 15 UTC
Stop the solo or tighten up the draw?
Which is more important, in your opinion?
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
01 Mar 15 UTC
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The School of War - Study Group of Winter 2015
This thread is for the Winter 2015 Study Group of the School of War. Please be courteous to those running the game and respect any reasonable requests they may make. This semester the Study Group will be overseen by A_Tin_Can and goldfinger0303. gameID=155736
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
28 Jul 15 UTC
E and T are the players who get to decide who stays in the draw, and it looks like (for whatever reason, and it's hard to say what without press) they've decided that Italy and Germany deserve a part in it.

----Turkey---
Only sensible disband, I think. There are still enough units to stalemate England out of the Italian home centres and tunis, and it leaves the only other free unit (the army in Albania) to make Russia's life a little easier.

I can't tell what Russia's game plan is here. If Turkey and England want Italy and Germany to live, they live.

----Russia----

I suppose that's one solution to needing a Turkish unit to make the line against England. I hope it was arranged.

----England----

I probably would have built two armies here (you only need three units to crack St P, and you already have two fleets over there). The fleet gives you a bit more flexibility to make mistakes though, and I don't think you're planning a solo or you would have gone for it after you disbanded NAf a couple of turns ago.


----Germany, Italy-----

Keep on keepin' on. Nice work on getting the other players to draw.
A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
28 Jul 15 UTC
"to make Russia's life a little easier." should read "to make Russia's life a little harder."

And I should go to bed.
VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
29 Jul 15 UTC
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Bump for End of Game
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
29 Jul 15 UTC
Congratulations!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDajqW561KM
MarquisMark (326 D(G))
29 Jul 15 UTC
What happens now? Does each player chime in with a recap of how the game went from his/her perspective?
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
29 Jul 15 UTC
Yes.

Some EOG etiquette:
List your power at the top. Talk as chronologically as possible.

Look for things you could have improved on, things others could have improved on.

Put a strong emphasis on revealing things, lies that were believed, truths that were not believed, so that people can learn in ways that are impossible to just by looking at the game. Admit weaknesses and ask for constructive advice and constructively help others with theirs.

Do your best to put away squabbles. If you and someone disagreed about something, maybe you can list it, but this should not be a continuation of any Diploming or arguments. At best, say "[Power] and I disagreed about [Topic], would you be willing to discuss it further or someone give us their input? I thought X personally".
MarquisMark (326 D(G))
29 Jul 15 UTC
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Okay, thanks for those tips. Do we just post them here or will there be a separate thread?

This game went pretty long so it might take a bit of time to put the EOG together.
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
29 Jul 15 UTC
Post them here. No reason not to keep everything in one place IMO. The thread won't lock by the time you write one up
MarquisMark (326 D(G))
03 Aug 15 UTC
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SoW Study Group Winter 2015
England

Here is my End of Game recap. I went into this game, hoping to further my strategy knowledge and to practice writing steady press to my enemies each turn. I think players often stop communication when in hostilities and I wanted to get over the discomfort of doing this.

1901

Diplomacy opened with a few main objections in mind. I wanted to 1) make sure I was in an alliance with either F or G against the other and not the odd man out and 2) persuade the others for an early elimination of Russia which would 3) put me at 6-7 SCs in the early-mid game with Scandinavia and possibly St Pete’s. As England, i really hate that backdoor threat of F St Pete NC coming through, especially in the mid game when England often finds himself fighting his opening ally. It’s too easy for Russia to lend support in this fight with a fleet or two. Even though St Pete’s is too often a cul-de-sac, I find the safety that it’s occupation guarantees the English player well worth the one or two units that it requires.

Standard press was sent to all players, wishing good luck, what are you thinking, etc. I decided to ally with France against Germany initially but only because France wrote back to me first and Germany did not write back until close to deadline. I specifically asked Austria to open to Rumania, and Turkey if he would like to open A Smy-Arm, thinking I could convince T to support A to keep R out of Rumania while he has a crack at Sevastaopol, while Germany might be convinced to block Russia out of Sweden in exchange for help against F. Russia would be denied builds and on the defensive immediately.

Russia was very interested in whether I would move Lvp-Edi or not and wanted Norway to be taken with a fleet, which I was planning on anyways.

Austria did open to Rumania but Turkey did not open to Armenia, instead we saw the Russian fleet get popped and he got 3 builds instead of the zero or one I was hoping for. Cries of Juggernaut flew in Global chat.


1902

My objection this turn was Denmark, the bottleneck of Scandinavia. I positioned myself to take it by moving to the Hel Bight, with Sweden next on the target list

I also planned with France for him to go through Med and me to go North but moved to Channel. He claimed it was a mis-order but it spooked me nonetheless.

Germany was attacked pretty hard by F with I support and at this point it didn’t look like he’d be long for this game.

1903

In the Diplomacy phase, I instructed Russia to help try to convince France to vacate Eng-MAO, with the understanding that I would give him Norway if it was successful. I took Sweden for leverage in case France didn’t comply, but he did and I decided to keep it since I couldn’t be booted out.

I was certain that a French stab was coming so I moved back to Channel, expecting a bounce. French fleets moved south en masse so that eased my mind, knowing I’d have room to breathe and could stab at my leisure.


1904

It was right around this time that I drafted the remaining German unit and supported him to Berlin, where he would pretty much act as a buffer to France and/or Russia’s advance. I also got St Pete and an army in Denmark, which secured Scandinavia for me.

Also, my French ally was replaced after the Spring turn.

It was also this turn that I had the last press from the original Italian player until his replacement came in. That was extremely frustrating.

1905-1910

With Scandinavia secure, I decided to stab the new France player in 1905 and it was a big chocolatey mess. I had convoyed to Belgium to make sure France had to disband at least one, but I sacrificed my position; a convoy to Picardy would have given me Brest and neutralized the threat of northern fleets. In addition, I did not bounce the MAO for diplomatic reasons, which let France into MAO and completely flipped my momentum. I was now on the defensive. I wish I could have this turn back.

In fact, the next 4 game years were spent trying to defend my island against France and trying to keep Russia from taking Berlin. It was like groundhog day every game year until 1910.

During these years, I couldn’t understand why France was attacking me so viciously. After all, the juggernaut was running at this point and even though France is often a beneficiary of the R/T steamroll, I felt he was completely throwing the game to Turkey by doing this because, I’ll be honest, he was really throwing everything he had at me. I later found out that he was a silent partner in the R/T alliance, that they had agreed to an F/R/T draw once E/G/I were eliminated, although I don’t know if T would have honored that agreement.

But eventually I poked through France’s lines into the MAO and, coupled with the replacement Italy’s strategic retreat to Marseilles and Spain, put the first big cut into him and this slowly led to his elimination.

1911-1913

My main goal in these years was regrouping my line, eliminating France, and working to keep Turkey from soloing. Russia had plans in the works to stab Turkey. France could have probably been useful in helping to stalemate Turkey but I had no interest in giving the opportunity for a neighboring rival naval power to get back on his feet, especially when he was lured into working as Turkey’s cat’s paw earlier in the game.

At this point, I also had a little meta-game going on with myself, namely seeing if I could keep Germany alive to the end. Of course, if I were able to get to 17 centers, I would have tried to take his dot for 18 but somehow it would have felt anti-climatic if he had gotten eliminated for someone’s quick build after managing to survive at 1 since 1904. Maybe that’s just he care bear in me but whatever. Occupying Munich was a smart decision for him, as it put him in a spot where he was supported by 3 powers against each other.

Russia stabbed Turkey on Fall turn, and it wasn’t exactly a killer one. He put a bunch of holes in the stalemate line and Turkey didn’t have to disband.

1914

At this point, the balance became contentious. Turkey and I both had legitimate chances to solo and nobody on the board wanted to take that chance. Italy was occupying two critical provinces for the Turkish/English solo and Germany occupied the other critical province for the English solo, so my best chances were getting to 15 at best. So after a well fought game, we suggested a draw. Italy deserved to be in on it, I felt, for taking over the country in a hopeless situation.

EOG

Like I said, my main focus was furthering my strategy knowledge and the comments from the more experienced players in this thread were a big help in this. The biggest lessons I learned from this game were:

1) When being attacked, attack back.

A beginner’s natural reaction to being bushwhacked from all sides is to just issue Support Hold orders to all of your units. I now realize it is better to work out a set of attacks that, if possible, will cut critical supports, protect your units, and maybe even result in an improved position.

2) A guaranteed move is better than a guess.

I learned this lesson during my failed 1905 stab at France. Better to make a guaranteed move to a non-SC province that improves your position for next turn than to take a possible shot at a non-guaranteed SC that will keep your position static (or worsen it), but also give away your intention and put you on the defensive.

3) In F2F games, I’ve heard it pays to be the last to talk to someone but in online, it’s better to be the first to contact someone.

Again, the only reason I allied with France in 1901 is because he responded to me first. The game would have probably been very different if Germany had sent me the early reply. Perhaps this is just my perception though. I certainly operate this way. I’d like to hear others’ thoughts on this.

Like I said, I really enjoyed this game. There were a lot of rushed, last-minute-before-deadline press exchanges that made some of the turns so suspenseful, especially with DL when I was trying to convince him not to take Berlin. Good times…and the game lasted nearly 5 months of real time!

Lastly, I would like to give a big THANK YOU to Valis, goldfinger, A Tin Can, and Sh@dow for setting up and running this game and allowing me to take part in it (if I left anyone out, I apologize). And also to all of you other good folks who stopped by our thread to give comments and analysis on what was going on. I was always excited whenever new commentary went up to see how our moves were and where we did good and went wrong. Looking forward to hearing from the other players’ experience.
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
03 Aug 15 UTC
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Great stuff! about the lessons:
I agree with number 1 especially. Ordering nothing but support holds is a good way to die a slightly-slower-but-still-dead death, even if it feels like the natural response.

Number two is also good. The adage of "set up in the spring, take dots in the fall" is there for a reason

Number three is interesting. The reason being the last person to talk to someone in F2F is so important is that talking to someone *excludes* them to talking to others. If that seems obvious, remember that online, and especially in anon games, you're not sure if/when they're talking to others, unlike F2F. So while I'd say both F2F and webplay benefit first-to-establish-a-bond, F2F uniquely rewards talking to someone last.

I think talking to someone in F2F matters a whole lot more too, on a psychological level. It's much more easy to ignore or disregard or stab someone online I find, compared to if someone is talking with you F2F. So getting the last word in is much more important. And again, there is the exclusivity. For example, in threadID=1234603 I got a girlfriend her boyfriend in an A/T by isolating her in the kitchen and talking to her the whole phase such that she never even got to talk to Austria. I mean, I don't do that often, but such a thing wouldn't be possible online. That's where the advice about talking to someone last comes in I think.
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
03 Aug 15 UTC
*I got a girlfriend to stab her boyfriend
MarquisMark (326 D(G))
03 Aug 15 UTC
"I think talking to someone in F2F matters a whole lot more too, on a psychological level. It's much more easy to ignore or disregard or stab someone online I find, compared to if someone is talking with you F2F."

I believe this completely. I've not yet played F2F but as a guy who is more of a peacekeeper than a conflict-seeker, I can imagine the dynamics of negotiation and diplomacy are completely different.

I would really like to try a F2F game to see for real though.
DeathLlama8 (514 D)
04 Aug 15 UTC
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I'd like to add on a bit on the importance of being proactive as you can quickly shape others' plans before your enemies get to them - getting on early pays, and now I tend to get on at the start of the game if possible, write a ton of press, and then check in a bit later to see the responses.

Why am I saying this? I decided to try a delayed (Slingshot) Juggernaut, and persuaded Turkey to do it fairly quickly. As a result, this may have stopped him from moving against me as England did so.

Of course, quick speed shouldn't be sacrificed for quality of press, but that goes without saying and in a non-live game you should be able to get out quality press to everyone within an hour.
MarquisMark (326 D(G))
08 Aug 15 UTC
No one else wants to add their EOGs?
LeonWalras (865 D)
08 Aug 15 UTC
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Turkey's will be incoming this week. I really enjoyed yours.


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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
07 Aug 15 UTC
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No Quarters Gunboat
104 D WTA Gunboat 25 Hour Phases Hidden Draw
No Quarters: No Cancel/No Pause for any reason. We play this one through!
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
06 Aug 15 UTC
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You Just Stabbed A Guy...
Who should be the first to initiate communication, you or your ex-ally? Why?
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The Czech (41806 D(S))
07 Aug 15 UTC
Yo mama gunboat
Who was who before it canceled?
I was England
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yaks (218 D)
06 Aug 15 UTC
Live Austria Available
gameID=165677
For those who are in the mood for a challenge
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