Wait, so now allowing Iran to provide for its own energy needs is cheering for war against Israel? Seriously?

He took it personally.

Absolute stunner.

Shock through the roof...

Except nobody was wishing for war against Israel. So what on earth are you talking about?

People are treating this like a sporting event, Putin. There are little fan sections that know everything they could possibly know about their side down to the most minute details. Each team has one. And every time the match gets underway they fill up with more and more people, often that don't know as much as the diehards, and they get influenced by them, and they end up rooting for a team often without even understanding why. That's what happens all the time in this debate and it's happening here, but this isn't a sport. We are debating who is right and wrong without even realizing that this whole situation has "win-win solution" written all over it. That's the point I'm trying to get across to Nigee since he doesn't get it and that's what this nuke deal says the US thinks too.

Mendax, since you evidently don't see it, I'm not referring to you. I'm referring to the people that say Hezbollah or Israel is the devil and that only one side is "worthy" of nationhood. That's Nigee.

Yes you are certainly right about people being unduly partisan about the Middle East.

But you said it was directed at a lot of people. Unless Nigee has at some point become a plurality, it's clearly not just directed at him.

Unless of course you threw in that final line in some pathetic attempt to avoid any blowback for your comments. Somehow, I think the latter is more likely.

A lot of people as in the people that +1 Nigee's bullshit in every thread and message me saying I'm just a dumb kid and should stay out of stuff that I don't understand when it's them that don't have a clue.

You aren't one of them. You've simply got an opinion. You still use facts.

"A lot of people as in the people that +1 Nigee's bullshit in every thread"
"All I said is that Nigee should watch the bullshit and try using facts"

Bo - I see no +1's for my posts in this thread, you should watch the bullshit and try using facts mon amis - touche

In 2012 the Israeli online magazine Haaretz reported from an initiative with online posters, wich had tell from love and peace and got a big attention in Israel, however, also the poeple in Iran were stimulated and excited. Iranian and Israeli citizens sent to thousands News of praise and thanks. The Iranian have a long common history with the Jews, already since Kurosh the Great liberated the Jews from the Babylonian captivity, released and dismissed them home to Jerusalem with gold and silver for the Construction of a new church.

During WW2 then, Iran had issued more then thousands Jews with Iranian passports in the embassy in Paris to leave Europe and immigrate in Iran, before they be storaged in Camps of the Nazis, who began advanced in completely Europe, especially in the east rich of Jews.

Iranians live and suffer under a Mahommedan foreign rule. They are Persians and no Arabs. In Iran ~90% of the population believe not in the Koran, the overpowering majority of the Iranians isn't to be agitate with it by the members of the Mohammeda occupying forces like Ahmadinedschad and Khamenei, but also not from warmongers like Netanyahu and some other maniacs in the western states like the Neocons in the USA. This region Middle East owns the explosive force of the third world war.

" In Iran ~90% of the population believe not in the Koran"

Where do you get this nonsense from?

"Iranians live and suffer under a Mahommedan foreign rule"

The Muslim conquest was 1300 years ago. The population happily converted to Shi'a Islam in the 1500s via a native dynasty. Find a new gripe. The rather nice thing about Iran is that it lacks an element of ethno-nationalism that you, apparently, find wanting.

"Bo - I see no +1's for my posts in this thread, you should watch the bullshit and try using facts mon amis - touche"

There were 2 when I posted that, now there's 4.

But okay Nigee. Now please figure out what you're saying.

"Netanyahu is great bloke and definitely not a war monger and really respects human rights of Palestinians and promises he won't bomb Iran" - now how ridiculous does that sound !!

' " In Iran ~90% of the population believe not in the
Koran" Where do you get this nonsense from? '

From talking to Iranian guys i've met, i think it is fair to say that Iranian people are far less religious than their Pakistani neighbours. It is also fair to say that the state religion has it's opponents, like most countries the current government tends to lose popularity; and the Islamic regime has been in power in Iran since the revolution, hurting the popularity of the religion there.

The US would see a massive anti-christian movement is they were allowed to officially take-over; though instead there is a 'seperation of church and state' - though why there is any alliance between religious groups in the US and political pro-corporate types i can't fathom, the church is an inherently socialist organisation, if i'm not mistaken...

90% may be a bit exagerated, but it is fair to say that this 'theocracy' is not a country of religious zealots, as often portrayed in western media, in fact it may be on of the most americanized in the region (considering neighbouring Afghanistan: stone age, Pakistan: military dictatorship, Iraq: former dictator/federal mess, and the rest of the Caspian sea neighbours...)

Iran's government isn't a theocracy, as is portrayed in the western media. And the government's popularity seems to have more to do with its ability to deliver on economic promises than the fact that it doesn't meet western liberals' standards of what form it should take.

looks like balance of power politics to me. Ever since 9/11 when America got itself involved in the Middle East with the subtlety of a sledgehammer the whole region has been destabilised. This is looks like the US is trying to re-establish (agreeing to?) a balancing hegemony in the region that has been wracked by war over the last decade.

The shift is quite unheard of. This article hit the nail on the head imho:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/24/iran-us-shift-middle-east-alliances

Btw, last I checked Shia Islam still adheres to the Koran, no matter how americanized (too much to unpack in that term) they are.

"Iran's government isn't a theocracy, as is portrayed in the western media."

Putin33 is divorced from reality. If he were to acknowledge Iran is a theocracy then he'd have to hate it, and Iran's too reliable a backer of the anti-American positions he loves to allow that. No, much better to deny that a country where the ideological underpinning of the state is based on the idea that the clergy ought to run the government is a theocracy.

Iran's government is clearly a form of a theocracy. It isn't theocracy as it is defined in a textbook per se, but that's only because there are some modernized aspects to it. Nonetheless the entire government revolves around their religious ideas.

@ Putin: "Iran's government isn't a theocracy"

Wait a second... what?

I completely agree with you that the west has no right to dictate to Iran what form of government it should have. 100% agreeing with you there. But to say that Iran's current form of government is not theocratic... could you explain yourself there?

I mean, a few headline facts:

- The official name of the country is "The Islamic Republic of Iran"
- The Head of State is a Shia cleric who is also the head of the Shia religion in Iran.
- Its legal system is founded on Sharia Law.

Certainly there are elements of democracy in Iran, but those democratic features operate within the framework of a theocratic state....unless you can explain how this is not the case?

Iran may be a lot of things but one thing it is not is an evil, barbarous regime or anything like that. I think that's what Putin was trying to say

Maybe it's what he's trying to say but it's not what he said.

Benjamin Netanyahu is a thug, a crook, and an idiot. Honestly who cares what he thinks. My only hope is that Israelis see what he and the religious are doing to their country and cast them far out of power

And all the Muslim-state leaders are perfect, sinless Saints.....<rolls eyes...gags...vomits....laughs my ass off as SantaCommunist>

And I love mendax crying crocodile tears for Palestinians as Iran is quite openly running the anti insurgency campaign against syrian rebels that has been committing real atrocities against opponents.

They didn't last year when they had the chance. Unfortunately, Israel's already fractured party system is getting even more divided, and the religious and pro-settlement forces (lots of overlap, but distinct groups) are growing steadily in strength. Unless more secular Jews move to Israel or those already there start popping out more babies the power of right-wing religious parties will keep steadily increasing.

Wrt Syria, both sides have been truly terrible. It's hard to tell which side has been worse throughout this conflict.

Syria? WTF??!? Don't you all remember, Obama solved the Syria problem.....er......

And shelling civilian centers by hezballah from southern syria and Hamas from garza is not terrible? Why do atrocities committed by the rebels justify Iranian behavior but the same does not stand for the Israelis?

krellin (40 )
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And all the Muslim-state leaders are perfect, sinless Saints.....<rolls eyes...gags...vomits....laughs my ass off as SantaCommunist>"

I quite obviously was not saying that