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tboin4 (100 D)
24 Jan 09 UTC
Swapping land
In a game. If I own both say Galicia and Warsaw, could I do warsaw-galicia and galicia-warsaw?
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SrgtSilver64 (335 D)
24 Jan 09 UTC
Request unpause please
Im not saying unpause just yet but can a mod look into game id http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8084 and just unpause it if Russia doesnt come back in a few days. Thanks.
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Spell of Wheels (4896 D)
24 Jan 09 UTC
Could a Moderator unpause this game
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8220

This game was paused since Bunny was banned. Everyone except France has agreed to resume and he was NMR in the spring.
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wideyedwanderer (706 D)
24 Jan 09 UTC
Needed
Player to take over a CD France. Good position. Game is almost over. France and I were allies, and were about to force a stalemate.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7793&msgCountry=Global
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
24 Jan 09 UTC
Old Guard
The games coming up saying "newbies only" etc lead me to do this. Next friday I'd like to start a couple of new games, and I was wondering:
Can I find 7 people with 3-digit ID's? How many of us are left?
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andersred (152 D)
24 Jan 09 UTC
Question re winning points
Can someone explain how I have got to 106 points please?
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amonkeyperson (100 D)
24 Jan 09 UTC
Why?
What were the reasons Tarablus got banned?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
30 Dec 08 UTC
Palestinians, Israel, the US, England, and the World- The Crisis
This thread is to discuss the current situation on the Gaza Strip, who you think is right and wrong, if you think there is a right or wrong, and what you predict the world will do and what you think the world should do

Try to be somewhat respectful, even if it's hard; I know it's a hot issue for some (me included) but do try and stay somewhat civil.
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Denzel73 (100 D)
13 Jan 09 UTC
hehe... this reminds me of shelling of Dubrovnik in 1991, when Serbian news were reporting that Croats were shelling their own city (UNESCO world heritage site, btw) just to make them look bad.

I guess Gaza people are shooting their own children now.
diplomat1824 (0 DX)
13 Jan 09 UTC
Attacking Israel is an extremely bad idea. The Arabs must be really dumb, as they haven't figured that out yet.
Denzel73 (100 D)
13 Jan 09 UTC
Ask them in 50 years, when Israel becomes "wiped off the map" :P
warsprite (152 D)
13 Jan 09 UTC
Denzel your forgetting Israel most likely has nukes. If any one tries to wipe them off the map so will be the wipers.
diplomat1824 (0 DX)
13 Jan 09 UTC
Israel will never be wiped off the map as long as the U.S. is around.
amonkeyperson (100 D)
14 Jan 09 UTC
why is that?
urallLESBlANS (0 DX)
14 Jan 09 UTC
I'm not saying this is what Israel is doing, but in WWII the US firebombed Dresden and used the atomic bomb on Japan, not only for industrial targets, but also to lower morale and force surrender. During our Civil War, Sherman's "March to the Sea" was a similar destruction of civilian and railroad property, killing of civilians mostly to destroy morale.

Israel could have similar intentions in purposely attacking civilian targets. Personally I don't think they are, and I wouldn't think it's right, but it is a potential reason for attacking civilians.
diplomat1824 (0 DX)
14 Jan 09 UTC
It's way easier than everyone realizes.

Hamas started to shell Israel. Israel retaliated. Why should we (uninvolved countries) stop Israel's retaliation? How many times does it take to figure out that attacking Israel is an extremely BAD idea?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
14 Jan 09 UTC
First of all, I think I speak for everyone from the pro to anti Israels here when I say: stop spamming, diplomat1824......

Now then:

First, and most strikingly- Denzel73, quoting the oft-misquoted Iranians with their "wiped off the map" (or "vanish from the pages of time, if you prefeer the correct translation, both are insidious):

Are you pro-Iran now? Do you CONDONE Iran's trying to build the bomb to intimidate Israel and the West?



The bigger issue:

A picture sometimes IS truly worth a thousand words.

And every news station has a slant.

With those truths, aks yourselves:

What picture of the war are YOU getting?

You see the Palestinians huddled in fear (and with good reason, mortars and bullets are horrific things fto face, I don't blame them) at the site of a ruined home.

You see dead Palestinian babies.

You see a UN school that was destroyed.

WHERE are the pictures from Israel's South: where the Hamas rockets are being fired?

WHERE are the pictures depicting Hamas's training rituals, including shooting around recruits on the ground and spouting anti-West hate, all backed by Islam (or at least that's what they claim; Muhammad taught, like Moses and Jesus, peace to your fellow man and submission- NOT how best to kill your fellow man and why you should kill them. Not just calling out Islamic radicals here, all three Abrahamic religions have used their peaceful prophets as a call for war, it's just Islam that has the most, by far, of such radicals at the moment, even if you want to count Israel as radical, STILL, more Muslims in Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Iraqi insurgents that still remain, etc.)




The press roots, de facto, for the underdog, because an underdog story is nearly always a good and uplifitng one (how ironic is it that the most famous underdog story of antiquity is David and Goliath, and now David's Star adorns a confused and scared "Goliath" while a fanatical "david" is slinging rock after rock after rock?)



And since it is not the pressed desire to back up the bigger nation and cover things somewhat equally, the underdog nation is nearly always made to look the victim.

And now so many are opposed to Israel, many going with that cliched and trendy comparisson to Nazi Germany- hurtful and a mighty slam to Israel for obvious resasons, and untrue.

Consider Israel in '48, '67, '73, and even up to a couple years ago- if asked who the West supported from '48 to the '90s, MOST would have answered that Israel had their lbessing and backing.


What's changed?

1. The Bush years have made America look TERRIBLE in the eyes of the world- and so, where up to the Invasion of Iraq people backed America and, by extension, Israel, America's new face has driven away friends; what's worse, anything about America in the Middle EAst is now a source of debate and outrage, and so now America's most loyal ally in the region is under scrutiny for using military force. America is deemed opressive in Iraq, Israel is deemed opressive now.

2. The Arab world has regained much of it's Post-9/11 public opinion (and DON'T start a 9/11 conspiracy thread here, that's another 600 posts altogether.) So, coinciding with Israel's decline in popularity due to america's decline, the Arab world has ressurected much of its image- and so now Palestinians are viewed to be "better" not the Israelis.

3. Palestine, again, is SMALLER than Israel- the underdog. What's different now is before they were seen more as Arabs without a home, not necessarily Arabs with a taken home, as they are now widely portrayed. Why? The press. The press sees an underdog, feeds it, things get worse because of the feeding, the press loves it more, feeds it more sympathy- a vicious cycle.


And here's an interesting note to consider: the common complaint is Israel is being tyrranical because it was terrorized and haunted.

The flip side: Palestinians are slamming the Israelis beecause they were slammed.

I remember significant peace talks occuring before 9/11; maybe too feeble and not enough substance, but at least it was a start. Post 9/11, "muslim" was a filthy word. Now that the West condemns actions in the Middle East and Palestinians are dying, "Israeli" is quick becoming a filthy word.

That's the media- the truth is ALWAYS distorted to give the people what they want, and they don't right now want to hear a news station backing Israel profoundly because:

1. Israel is seen as almost America Jr., and America Sr. is not too hot with the international community at the moment

2. Again: u-n-d-e-r-d-o-g s-t-o-r-ie-s s-e-l-l

3. Public opinions in politics can change like the fall fashion lines of a trendy store- great one minute, trash the next. Remember the Presidential Election: Guiliani's the favorite, then Hillary, then Obama, then Palin, finally Obama again- in two years, who knows? Israel's out, Palestinians are in- in two MONTHS, who knows?



Do I condone everything Israel does? No. Why am I still defending her on this thread?

Because it absolutely SICKENS me to see Hamas, a terrorist group no matter how you slice it, win over the poor Palestinians who are just looking for a way out of misery and a ray of hope, and will instead be exploited (much like Hitler exploited a poor Germany in the '30s; "Israel's flag should contain a swastika" proponents- look at the side YOU back before making such a statement), and through all that STILL comes out as in the "right."

Those who say it's both sides' fault to degrees: THAT's the truth, and MY stance, AGAIN.

Those who say it's all Israel's fault: THAT's short-sighted, biased, and pro-terrorist.

Back Hamas, back terrorism in the West.

Who still backs Hamas, and who thinks it is time Palestinians got REAL leaders who won't inflame the region or cause Israel to sweat so that peace talks can continue?
diplomat1824 (0 DX)
14 Jan 09 UTC
Back Hamas, back terrorism in the West. You got it dead on, obiwan.
Darwyn (1601 D)
14 Jan 09 UTC
if that's the case, then back israel and back terrorism against the entire muslim world, inciting even more hate against the US's unyielding support for her, which will result in more terrorism and more American deaths.

Congrats! You support the killing of Americans and Palestinian babies! How nice.

Ask yourself...for what? Israel is making her bed, let her lie in it. We supported her for FAR too long. Time to wean her off the American taxpayers teat.
Darwyn (1601 D)
14 Jan 09 UTC
Again,

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zfFMZ7Y-s_c

What say you now obiwan?

The people you support started this current genocide. The last shred of justification has just been pulled out from underneath you.

Yet you continue to support the killing of woman and children. Israel can do now wrong, eh?

your support is pathetic at this point.
Denzel73 (100 D)
14 Jan 09 UTC
Israel can do no wrong.... they have it written in their Holy Book!
The same one that says they shouldn't shave their heads, or eat sea-shells....

My personal opinion is that Palestinians should be armed with modern weapons and be supported in fighting it out once and for all.
Might not work (like it didn't for Checeninans), but it also might, like it did in Vietnam...
Invictus (240 D)
14 Jan 09 UTC
Why would anyone eat a seashell?
trim101 (363 D)
14 Jan 09 UTC
he means seafood
trim101 (363 D)
14 Jan 09 UTC
shellfish even
Invictus (240 D)
14 Jan 09 UTC
Only shellfish, actually. Ever heard of gefilte fish or lox?
diplomat1824 (0 DX)
14 Jan 09 UTC
Seafood is good
Denzel73 (100 D)
14 Jan 09 UTC
As is pork, if roasted enough. Still, some infallible books suggest we shouldn't eat hem ;)
Denzel73 (100 D)
14 Jan 09 UTC
Them, or ham, instead of "hem" ;)
philcore (317 D(S))
14 Jan 09 UTC
Vincent: Want some bacon?
Jules: No man, I don't eat pork.
Vincent: Are you Jewish?
Jules: Nah, I ain't Jewish, I just don't dig on swine, that's all.
Vincent: Why not?
Jules: Pigs are filthy animals. I don't eat filthy animals.
Vincent: Bacon tastes gooood. Pork chops taste gooood.
Jules: Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfucker. Pigs sleep and root in shit. That's a filthy animal. I ain't eat nothin' that ain't got enough sense enough to disregard its own feces.
Darwyn (1601 D)
14 Jan 09 UTC
LMAO! I love Pulp Fiction.
diplomat1824 (0 DX)
14 Jan 09 UTC
I think it's safe to say that most for is good.
diplomat1824 (0 DX)
14 Jan 09 UTC
especially sushi/sashmi. Most people who hate sushi have never tasted it, and their tastebuds reject the idea of eating raw fish before they even try it.
Invictus (240 D)
14 Jan 09 UTC
And so the relevance of the thread ends.
philcore (317 D(S))
14 Jan 09 UTC
bout time, don't you think?

I guess 2 other people can join the thread and argue the same points that now 10 pairs of people have argued (Granted Denzel held the Pal line in about 5 of those)

either way diplofool will say something inane sometime soon to kick it back to the top so he can see it go to 600.
alamothe (3367 D(B))
15 Jan 09 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfhoU66s4Y
Denzel73 (100 D)
15 Jan 09 UTC
Phil, thank you for recognizing that I held Palestinian side and not Hamas side :)

I say, let us all collect some sea-food products and send it as a humanitarian aid to Gaza. No pork, please :)
sean (3490 D(B))
15 Jan 09 UTC
I wonder Israeli apologist are getting a little bit worried about the situation now in gaza. So many reports of IDF troops being completely indifferent to causing civilian causalities the whole "hamas uses civilians as human shields" excuse is looking a bit thin. Now we have reports of phosphorus bombs being used. add to that a death toll of about 300 Palestinian kids and the excuses for bombing the UN school keep changing. And this report on al jazeera about the initial causes of fighting between Israel and Gaza was quite surprising. Israel is losing what little goodwill they had left.


http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/war_on_gaza/2009/01/2009110112723260741.html

Tarablus (0 DX)
15 Jan 09 UTC
Have the missile attacks into Israel stopped yet?

Let's wait to see the change in headlines when one of those missiles strays into the Israeli Nuclear Power station that is within range.

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Invictus (240 D)
24 Jan 09 UTC
Tarablus for President
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8265
30 points, 24 hour phases, points per center.

It's mourning again in America.
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wooooo (926 D)
24 Jan 09 UTC
Very fast game (1 hour)
If anyone is up for the commitment of sitting down and playing a quick game (I expect turn deadline to be 15 minutes even if they are technically an hour) please respond. I will put up a password protected game if enough people do.
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Invictus (240 D)
23 Jan 09 UTC
Obama and Africa
This is a serious thread. Will Obama be effective in helping to bring political stability to Africa? Bush did more than any other President for AIDS relief and debt reduction, among other things, but will Obama be able to actually expand this to getting the African people the governments they deserve?
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Bunny (0 DX)
24 Jan 09 UTC
What the?
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fabiobaq (444 D)
24 Jan 09 UTC
rules - supporting a supporting unit
Is it valid to support a supporting unit? I mean, Unit A on province X will support Unit B moving to a province Y. Is it valid to Unit C support Unit A holding, so that an enemy 1-supported movement into province X won't obtain?
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philcore (317 D(S))
24 Jan 09 UTC
Ban Tarablus!!
That is bullshit!!! What the hell is wrong with you?
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Onar (131 D)
24 Jan 09 UTC
New game, just for fun
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8264
low point entry, anyone interested?
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
24 Jan 09 UTC
Where's the outrage?
The Sri Lankan military shelled a hospital and a village inside a government-declared "safe zone" for displaced families Thursday, killing at least 30 civilians, health officials said.
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Dexter.Morgan (135 D)
24 Jan 09 UTC
That was rude, Tarablus.
There were some active conversations that you just pushed completely off the board with your Spam.
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Kompole (546 D)
24 Jan 09 UTC
KIEL CANAL
I know it's not on this maps, but it's on a table game of Diplomacy. What's its purpose? Does it allow convoys across from Helgoland Bight to Baltic sea?
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
23 Jan 09 UTC
New game
NO RIF RAFF
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V+ (5470 D)
23 Jan 09 UTC
Help unpause game
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8179

The game was paused when a player was banned, and all have voted to unpause except one, France, who hasn't logged in for 50 hours. Thanks.
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Friendly Sword (636 D)
23 Jan 09 UTC
Rules Question
This kind of a dumb question but I thought I'd make sure :P
(Below)
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Friendly Sword (636 D)
22 Jan 09 UTC
In-game discussion tips
Friendly Sword is wondering whether there is a better and more effective way for Friendly Sword to talk :P?
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Draugnar (0 DX)
20 Jan 09 UTC
I've noticed an amazing similarity here.
Obama and Biden
Osama bin Laden

They sound remarkably alike.
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SirBayer (480 D)
23 Jan 09 UTC
Civil Disorder X
I have a question...
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jhsu (137 D)
23 Jan 09 UTC
New Game
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8252
Ice Cream, All you ever wanted.
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Jacob (2466 D)
23 Jan 09 UTC
Need help from a mod.
Can you please delete this game?
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=8243
I accidentally made it not realizing I had already made a game with that title. Thanks!
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canaduh (1324 D)
21 Jan 09 UTC
A question for the super-experience
In my experience, Russia getting Sweden in the first year puts Russia in a very strong position. I would go as far as saying that the first two years.

Has there been any research/thinking on this? Is there any evidence to back up my gut feel (based on the fact that Russia always wins when I play, and I cnnot convince Germany to block the overrunning of Sweden)?
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amonkeyperson (100 D)
23 Jan 09 UTC
Convoy
Can you convoy an army thro TWO fleets in one turn?
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mumford (290 D)
23 Jan 09 UTC
Booting players?
So is there a way to boot a player who is ruining a game by not finalizing orders, even during retreats and unit placing?
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Vinnie the sifter (100 D)
23 Jan 09 UTC
Just for Fun-3
Please no experts on this game this is for novice players looking for a good time.
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