Lazy, you haven't provided evidence that they "weren't connected in anyway." All you've done is presumed your belief to be true from the beginning after starting an argument with me when I was trying to point out we should simply recognize Islam and Christianity are incompatible.

Lazy, if Allah is unitarian then why does he refer to himself as "we"?

when god says 'we', it's of a poetic nature, he conveys authority and awesomeness. sometimes he uses "me" when he wants to convey love and intimate connection. it's only poetic.

Lazy, where in the Qur'an is this explicity explained?

the word Al-Lah means "the god", which implies singularity

and i don't know why you believe a bunch of priests sitting across a round table about something christ, the creator of the religion never said anything about. doesn't that strike you as dubious?

it's not explained.. it's in the language... it's in other languages as well... e.g. the persian language.. it was common use by kings at the time to refer themselves as "we".
i think it was probably used in old english as well: if i said "we command you to go to sleep!" sounds a lot more authoritative than "i command you to go to sleep!"

the quran is written in poetry, with rhymes and all. it's one of the main reasons it spread so quickly across the barbaric tribes of arabia.

Lazy, but you're taking something from outside the Qur'an. The Qur'an never said it so you're just making it up.

That's the exact argument you're against the idea of the Trinity, Lazy.

no i told you that's in the language... i think the "we" vs "me" works in english as well.
"it was We who created the sun and the moon"
versus
"it was I who created the sun and the moon"

which sounds more awesome?

anyway steve thanks for the chat, i really enjoyed it and you were more than respectful and intelligent in your answers...
hope to see you around the forums or maybe in a game or two

night

Have a good night/morning depending on where you are. :) I still have to wait like an hour and a half before I leave work, lol.

Oh...my...Gackt I am out of here!

"i don't want to get into athiests but it's been shown that human biology has an inborn need for a god. taht's why almost every culture has some more form diety.
i think it was voltaire who said if there was no god we would have to create him..?"

Is this a serious post...? Point me to where it's been shown that human biology predisposes one to the belief in the existence of a God, let alone in religion. You can't say every culture has some form of deity because it's not boolean. Most primitive cultures had sorts of animisms that typically resulted in polytheisms, and now they're mainly monotheisms. The theme here isn't God, it's just the supernatural.

Steevo, lazy is correct when he says that We doesn't mean a plural. It's simply a literary convention found in many languages that implies a different tone. For example, in French, you can address someone as Tu or Vous. Tu is the more personal tone and is officially singular, but Vous is officially plural as it is used to address groups of people but also a single person in a polite, formal fashion.

No! This was almost dead!

well you can just scream die infidel for a little longer as people have an intelligent theological disscussion

Hey... it's only at 400 posts. We can do better than that...

407 my friend.
here I'll make it longer




religion is the opiate of the masses.
you believe in a big man in the sky who watched you
you're an idiot.
when you die, you'll rot underground and stay there

@sicarius i thought opiates would be the opiates of the masses :p

religion IS an opiate.
shit just today i was on the way to this library and there were some young hooligans smoking christianity!!!
thank god they're not up to shooting up islam or snorting shinto, but it was still really sad to see.

also the 'd' is right next to 's'

for those who noticed my typo

i refuse to let this thread die peacefully

the da vinci code was all fact :P

All Join the Church of Maica, for I am the christ, God and the Pope all in one. The spirit bound in flesh implores all to join and be redeemed. The spirit unbound shall look at your hearts with peace.

I'm going to have to start playing devil's advocate here to keep this thread alive!

This thread is too long. can we delete the first three million replies?

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the da vinci code was all fact :P
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Ha ha ha ha ha!
(Posting as CJ 92 because the school's computers won't let me log in as Sioraf)

So technically I'm still outta here.

come on then chrisp say something controversal,

A friend sent me a clip from Bill Maher's show and it had a line that I found hilarious:

Bill Maher: So, why do you think these right-wingers suddenly love the Jews so much?
Amy Holmes: Well, I mean, you would know, and -
Maher: I do know, but I wanna know why you...
Holmes: A lot of conservative Christians are huge supporters of Israel -
Maher: Huge supporters. I agree. Why?
Holmes: Because they believe that's where the End of Days will happen, and they want to protect Israel.
Maher: Right. Thank you.
Holmes: They want to protect Israel from destruction, and we know this, so it's not--
Maher: Whoah, whoah, whoah. But what happens to the Jews at the End of Days?
Holmes: Well, Christians have a, uh, a certain storyline there...
Maher: What happens to the Jews at the End of Days?
Holmes: They don't go to the same place...
Maher: Yeah, they love Israel because they need the Jews to be in place when you-know-who comes back and kills them all!

Sunni Muslim.