Oes noes! Sarg has seen through my thinly veiled attempt to hide my true self!

Say five hail mary's and vote republican, you'll be fine.

@YJ - Divorce is only a sic if God put the marriage together. If one has the view that homosexual marriage is a sin, then clearly God didn't put that marriage together so the divorce mean nothing. Not my view, just that of the religious right extremists.

Agree with Draugnar, as the question (sin) implies/acknowledges God. Since God doesn't recognize the first, He won't recognize the second.

Also agree with Sarg....when I saw you and tony cuddling by the riverside last week, it brought a little tear to my eye, seeing such beautiful affection...and it tore my heart to think that you guys might be going through a rough time.

Maybe try a candlelight dinner? When Tony comes home, let the lights be dim, orchid petals spread in a trail to the dinner table where two cold Colt 45's are waiting by a burger and fries...and you, his handsome man, in nothing but a silk banana hammock handing him the TV remote....What more could a Tony ask for?

nothing wrong with gay marriage, the bible just wouldnt recognize it, so it would also not recognize gay divorce. Gay sex is where the sin is at

and might i say I believe only a small number of christian sects stigmatize divorse, it is hardly a universal religious taboo

A small number like the entire Roman Catholic Church...

last time i checked that was 1 sect

in theory if god doesn't recognise gay marriage, then you don't count as married in god's eye, right? so as krellin said, you don't count as divorced either.

That said, i think the bible specifies that gay sex is a sin. but it also says a bit about straight sex being a sin, so long as it's outside of marriage. So why is the christian right not up in arms about the amount of extra-marital sex that people are having?

I mean at least the muslims are consistent in their criticism of the west and it's immorality...

1 sect with over a billion adherents? (~1.2 billion)

Draug....I can't believe you took Santa's bait on "small number of sects". That makes both of you look stupid...

@Orthaic -- I'm not sure were you get the idea that Christians are all for extra-marital sex! Please point me to the web-site of ANY Christian church that states the extra-marital sex is OK. and I am talking about "official" church policy, not what the self-absorbed sinner-in-the-pew says.

Yeah, the RCC is one sect. As orathaic points out, it's one sect with over 1 billion adherents. And beyond that, it is the single largest sect of Christianity in the world. I believe it is larger than the number 2 (Baptist) and number 3 (Lutheran) combined. And the Baptists also don't believe in gay marriage and a chunk of the Lutheran synods don't either.

where did i say they favoured it? i merely asked why they don't protest aboubt it. I mean, look at the westboro baptist church, they claim gay sex kills american soldier (as far as i know) but no mention of extra-marital sex killing anyone!

Hey guys, let's all argue about made-up rules that don't actually mean anything.

Actually the first same sex couple to legally marry in Canada got divorced. As did the first same sex couple to legally get married in the states. You'd think the religious right would be all over that, except that the divorce rate is also super high among straight people, so it's not much of an argument "See gays shouldn't be married because they aren't much better at it than the rest of us."

thatwasawkward -- just because soemthing doesn't mean anything to you doesn't mean the rules don't mean soemthing to somebody else. That is *the* most ignorant, self-centered statement I have seen on here in a long time.

krellin -- I'd be curious to know how my statement is "self-centered" when there was no mention of self.

The statement was made by you - by yourself - and expreses YOUR opinion. That opinion says, "What other people believe doesn't mean anything"....because YOU don't believe it. By definition, that would make it a rather self-centered statement. suggesting that...let's see, over a billion RCC, over a billion Muslims, all the Protestants, etc....ALL of their beliefs have no meaning because YOU don't believe them.

Moron.

how do you argue that they don't mean anything? i think the meaning is clear.

Also i saw today a brilliant distinction between humans and animals.

both have this awesome mechanism where they generate dopamine - which is a chemical component of the pleasure mechanism - but you get the dopamine in anticipation of success.

And humans have managed to leverage this mechanism to produce work and receive dopamine anticipating rewards which take much longer than to arrive than any animal - so you can work hard through school and college in the hope of getting a reward, ie a good job, at the end of the day (obviously this works to varying degrees depending on the human).

But even better, some humans have even leveraged the mechanism to work hard where the eventual reward is actually 5 minutes after death! Which is rather amazing, if also a rather poor example of humans being able to be conned by each other.

However i'm sure it would produce a super-effective society, where people worked hard even though they didn't get any payoff...

@Krellin, i beleive the numbers add up to around 2 billion christians when you lump them all in together, so that's about 6/7 hundred million protestants. (just FYI, i've been looking up wikipedia a bit lately)

"That said, i think the bible specifies that gay sex is a sin. but it also says a bit about straight sex being a sin, so long as it's outside of marriage. So why is the christian right not up in arms about the amount of extra-marital sex that people are having? "

The penalty for gay sex is death

"1 sect with over a billion adherents? (~1.2 billion) "

and how does that prove my statement wrong...

"Draug....I can't believe you took Santa's bait on "small number of sects". That makes both of you look stupid..."

would like to know how

dont understand whats so hard to understand here. My statement was that divorce is not seen universally as a sin, that most religions with the exception of a small number of catholic sects see it as unacceptable. What does it matter how many people are in the catholic church, does that make divorce any more universally rejected across the breadth of religion?

*christian sects

krellin -- At no point did you actually ask me what I meant. You made several leaps from one assumption to another and ended up arguing with yourself and looking like a fool. Please... go on.

"Hey guys, let's all argue about made-up rules that don't actually mean anything. "

They mean alot to a large portion of the worlds population so they actually do mean something, whether there is actually enforcement of the rules is an entirely different question

Santa -- They DO mean a lot to a large portion of the world's population, I agree.

In the Bible, being gay is immoral but slavery and rape (especially raping virgins) are fine.

Glad you guys have a coherent and sensible moral compass. What would we do without it.

There was nothing called "gay" in western culture until very recently. There was having sex with men. Sexual acts were banned.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD52OlkKfNs

And women didn't have the right to vote in western democracies either.

Also people who didn't own land. I'm so glad things have changed.

Which is such a comfort to the gay community. "It's not the identity politics that bother us, we just think you should never be intimate you are sexually attracted to."