100% total agreement. I'm sick half to death of everyone bringing age into the arguments on this site and Krellin is an unbearably hateful individual, who lacks the moral fibre to act in a mature and respectful fashion..

Age doesn't matter, maturity and experience do.

I have mentioned in another thread that maturity does not necessarily come with age so I tend to agree with Damian and Conservative Man. Not that I am making a statement as to their own individual levels of maturity at this point as I know neither sufficiently to make such a call. Nevertheless, I was 15 when I moved from my parent's house and worked full time as well as full time in HS and I learned very quickly to grow up and mature. Other people don't mature until they hit their twenties; some their 30s and even others their 50s even. Finally, I've met people who never truly matured acting instead like spoiled children to the very day they died. Maturity is NOT factored by age but instead is an individual case-by-case personal development. As such, I agree with your arguments but again, I am NOT advocating that either of you have achieved that level NOR am I denying that fact. I don't know either of you to make that judgement.

Krellin, are you by any chance my younger brother? You, with a few differences, just spoke out my life. My dad's remarried a year ago, and has been gone for a while, but my mum suffers from clinical depression, and rarely attends work.

+1 my friend, +1.

Haaaaaa ha ha ha!! Conservative man *WANTS* to be a grown up....but when someone questions him....he cries that he is just a little boy, and I am picking on him! lol


GROW UP, CONSERVATIVE BOY....

^ Most people give up bullying when they're about 10, maybe 12.

krellin I thought you were turning over a new leaf? or was that satirical post?

I'd say you're wiser than he is.

He just likes making fun of you because your name is Conservative Man.
Some people... ugh

"cONSERVATIVE MAN" is angry because Daddy moved out....Mommy is sick...and he is "man of the house...."....

...except he is NOT man of the house. he does NOT have a job Conservative Man helps mommy cash the **government check** they recieve every month. Which is odd....because I thought "Conservative Man" was against Government help???


Conservative Man is the ***worst*** kind of hypocrite. Oh yes...in private chat, he revealed all his dirty secrets to me about his status....and he is *angry* because government does not help him enough.

Sad, angry, hjypocritical little boy.

You are so full of lies it isn't even funny, "Conservative"Man.

...i.e. the turning over a new leaf thread (I forget what it was called but you told us all how mean you can be and how you wanted to change). You seem to be drifting away from your resolve.

Jesus fucking Christ

Some people truely have no class

FirstApple....and other....this post is based upon a PRIVATE conversation "Conservative" Man and I have had. In short....he has revealed to me that within the last 2 years he has been....an athiest...a Christian...an anarchist...a liberal....and when he joined this site he was a "Conservative". His "values" change with the wind. He claims to be "conservative".....but he bitches and compalins because his real daddy ran out on him.

Now...of course...that is really sad....but,....honestly?? A conservative is askind ME to give to HIM because his *real* daddy ran out???? No....conservative thinking says go arrest daddy and milk the cash out of him....

And Mommy has issues, too....and....what? She never worked or had insurance? So....yet again, you want to stick your hand out and BEG for the offerings of society?????

Please.....this "Conservative Child"....based upon all his complaintws to ME....he is a whiny as liberal with BOTH hands out-stretched, seeking help, seeking assistance, because theuy can't possibly make it without some of YOUR cash in their hands...

You MAY sympathize with his life's story....but to pretend that his demands are "conservative" is truly asinine. "ConservativeMan"....in REAL LIFE by his own admission....is "Give Me A Hand-Out Man....."

Fuck off....

And of course now krellin twists my words around/plain lies. All I told him was that my mom is disabled. He assumed she was on disability (which is true however). I never said anything about wanting the government to pay her more. And krellin, who ever said I was against government help?

@spyman: I have a feeling krellin may be bipolar.

@spyman....turnign a new leaf doesn't mean that I can't call out a lie what I see it. Conservative Man and I have had multiple private conversations. he is the worst kidn of hypocrite.


God forbid that someone tryong to go straight actually have an opinoin you disagre with, huh? That prtetty much makes YOU an asshole, too..

@krellin: "he has revealed to me that within the last 2 years he has been....an athiest...a Christian...an anarchist...a liberal....and when he joined this site he was a "Conservative"." I never said I was an atheist. But everything else there is true, but what does that matter?

Conservative Man....if you want me to post our private conversation, I will. Don't lie about what you tole me.

@ Conservative Man

If what you say is true, then you are a hell of a lot more grown up than krellin, which is pretty sad if krellin is actually a grown man.

I wish you and your mom good fortune.

Why is a middle aged man arguing with 15 year old boy?
Anyway CM is not conservative - that is just his name.

I like how CM is now calling me bi-polar....<sigh....> Apparently I hit *rally* close to home......CM....I have *no * problem posting our private chat....no problem letting the world see your true self.

If what Krellin says is true it would be unfair to judge without seeing it.

I'm about to post the conversation now:
Me: Just to clear some things up: I understand that you're older than me, I understand that you're wiser than me. But just because you're older and wiser than me does NOT give you the right to treat me with disrespect.

As a Christian, I try to respect everyone I meet at first. Especially my elders. Most people keep my respect. But when someone continually disrespects me, that person loses my respect. Even if they are my elder. No one deserves to be treated with disrespect, and even though I have almost no respect for you, krellin, I will still try, and most of the time succeed, to not treat you disrespectfully. I sincerely hope you can do the same.

Krellin: Nice speech...<yawn...>

You, no doubt, are a rather intelligent kid. The mere fact that you play Diplomacy indicates that to me. You also have some good thoughts. You are also grossly inexperienced....yet portray yourself as somebody who knows much.

*that* is what I find so offensive. THAT is what rubs me wrong about *most* of the youth of America these days. Most of you do NOT have respect for elders....and, I'm afraid to say...neither do you. Your overconfident mannerisms on these threads, your dismissal of alternative philosophies...that is arrogance and pride. What do you base your self-assurance on? Experience? Or what Mom and Dad shoved into your head? Or your teachers or your pastor?

Believe it or not, I grew up Christian and Conservative. I find Christians to be the worst hypocrites of all. I believe in God....I have ceased to believe in self-professing Christians, who in the name of loving all, often cast judgements on all. conservative I agree with....but it is a conservative based upon experience, as opposed to some hard-core, straight-line conservatism like you and Tettleton spew forth. You guys regurgitate ideology....you regurgigtate your Utopian dreams....and yet, nobody has ever succeeded in setting up utopia, because the random and selfish nature of humanity always screws it up.

I'll bet you are a "lock-em-up-and-throw-away-the-key" guy when it comes to crime. And yet....I'll bet you have never talked to an inner-city kid with no father, with a crack-whore mother and school that will pass them on to the next grade regardless of what they do. I'll bet you never talked to a kid who grew up in a culture where your first stint in jail is a badge of honor, and something to be respected, have you? No....I'l bet your idea of "those people" is too bad, so sad; they have every chance that you have if they only applied themselves....to which I would reply....that is *exactly* what someone who knows nothing would say as they regurgitate what has been forced in to their brain.

When I was in 10th grade, I thought i was the cat's ass, too. It wasn't until I got in to college -- away from the influence of Mommy and Daddy and church that I actually started to think for myself. Mostly, my philosophy has remained unchanged....but, 20 years from now you may recall our conversation, and you may thik, "Damn....that krellin was right..."

You are an arrogant little prick - that's why I dislike you, whether or not I agree with you. You are so full of righteousness....but you have experience with which to back up those beliefs. How can you tell a socialist he is wrong when you have never had a job, never paid taxes, never suffered or struggled or been treated unjustly by the capitalist system because of skin color, or social status? I despise you because you call yourself a MAN....and yet you don't even approximate a man. You are much more like a little bird...a parrot....just squawk, squawk, squawking away with whatever you have been brainwashed to say.

I mostly agree with you in principle...but your refusal to even acknowledge that you might be wrong here or there....that is what offends me the most, and others as well. Sometimes it is OK to say, "Hmmm....you have a point there...let me think about that..." instead of always having to have the right answer right now.

You don't treat others with respect, even though you claim to. You treat others with disregard....because if they don't repeat your own thoughts to you....and your own thoughts are really your parent's thoughts....then you dismiss them. How is that respect? You aren't respectful *at all*. In fact...you are so afraid of dissenting views, you *mute* people. That's respect? You put yourself into a public forum, but are unwilling to listen to others while you spew forth your own brand of nonsense? THAT is the very defintion of disrespect.

With any luck, you will consider my words...
Most likely, though, you will dismiss me...because you have no respect for anyone that disagrees with you...

Me: I find it funny that you think I'm arrogant, when in fact I have extremely low self-confidence and extremely low self-esteem. If you think that I'm arrogant, it is likely because online, I subconsciuosly try to project that image of myself to mask my low self confidence and self esteem. But I don't think so because I don't think I have at all acted arrogant. Could you please show me where I have acted arrogant?
Same thing with disrespecting my elders, which is something I do NOT do. Could you please show me where I have disrespected you, as you seem to be implying?

And I am not a 'lock-em-up and throw away the key' kind of guy. I guess you weren't here when I was previously on this site, but I used to be an anarchist. I am no longer one, but I am still a libertarian. I don't don't believe in the death penalty, or even life sentences either. The onl reason 'conservative' is in my screen name is because I was conservative when I joined this site, in early 2010. I became a libertarian a couple months later and an anarchist a couple months after that. I am now a libertarian again.

krellin: So you were an anarchist...and then a conservative...and now who knows what the hell you are....and you think you have a valid opinion on anything????

Grow the fuck up. get a job. Pay taxes. Have some responsibility in life before you choose and identity and start mouthing off.

You *prove to me* that I am right about you....that your opinion is meaningless bullshit that is simply regurgitation of whatever popular idea you heard yesterday....

Thank you for 100% confirming that my opinion of you as an arrogant, know-nothing child is accurate.

me: How the hell is anarchy a 'popular idea'? Most of the world are not anarchists. I was. That just shows I thought for myself and didn't follow the crowd.

You think I don't have responsiblity? Ha. My dad moved out a year ago and my mom is disabled. I am an only child, and I am the man of the house. Though I don't pay bills, I still do most of the housework, help my mom out when she needs it, comfort her when she's depressed, and still get good grades in school. I do a lot of things I should be proud of, and just because I'm only 15, doesn't mean I'm not allowed to be proud of those things. Yet you claim I can't be proud of those things because I'm not 'experienced' enough. Because I'm not 'mature' enough. What is maturity? It's being a man and doing what's right. You, by constantly degrading me and disrespecting me just because I'm younger than you (something you have absolutely NO right to do), are not doing what it right. You are immature. I, despite being younger and less wise than you, am eons more mature than you. And the sooner you get that through your thick skull, the better.

krellin: "How the hell is anarchy a popular idea" says the....what? 7th grader when you discovered it? Please....give a me a break. Give me a little more credit than that. You *think* you are growing up....you're in 7th ro 8th grade....you discover the idea of anarchism....the idea that you can tell your over-zelous, disciplinarian parents to stuff it....what Junior High kids doesn't like the idea when he hears it....and after all, you ARE in the smarty-pants schools, right?

Don't insult my intelligence, fool.

You are now angry and defensive becuase I can read you like a *poorly* written, predictable novel...

...that ought to tell you something about how original your ideas are..

Time to grow up and have an original thought...

krellin (again): As or your sad personal story....uh.....SO WHAT? You think the world gives a shit? damn....if you do, you will be "Liberal Man" sooner than I can say "Shi..." see...you beat me.

You want to cry and complain about your life? Booo hoo.....Hardship makes great men GREATER!

But you are not greater yet. You don't pay the bills....I'll bet the government does, right? RIGHT? Mr Conservative???

"Oh...but she earned it" says the RHINO Conservativeman....

The more you reveal, the more disgusted i am with you.

Tell Mommy to give up the government check. Tell her you will go to work to pay the bills. Man up and take responsibility...otherwise your sad story is just a hand sticking out begging for my tax dollars.

You are no conservative. You disgust me now even more than I could have thought...

Krellin (again): GET A JOB, BITCH!

me: I don't have time for a full time job. I might be able to manage a part time job, but that won't pay the bills. And school comes first, both my mom and I agree. I'd get a good job if I could, but I can't. I do know, that once I'm an adult, I will give a portion of my income to my mom to help support her, and if she needs it, I'll take her in to live with me. And that was not intended to be a sob story, that was intended to show you that I do, in fact, have responsibilities.



This is our whole private conversation.

... you can debate sure. And disagree fine. Why so personal? Why so insulting? I mean this nicely Krellin, get a life. You sound ridiculous.

@Gunfighter....maybe you should go text while driving,....and then pull someone over for taling on their cell phone. You hypocritical cops make me want to puke. Funny thing....statically speaking...cops beat their wives WAY more than regular people. So, Gunfighter....do you beat your wife up?? Chances are....

@spyman....Why so insulting? You don't know the full relationship of CM and I. He is allowed to be insulting? But i am not? Oh....I know....he's a child....i should take it eay on the child when he enters an adult world?

No....I don't believe in that. If CM wants to play wtht eh Big Boys....then he needs to be prepared. If you want me to post his private Chat messsages to me....which are ****far different*** than his global chat....where he condemns society for leaving him and his mom in their plight....then I will post it. I'd rather leave whatever shred of dignity he has in tact. But "Conservative Man" is NOT so Conservative when it comes to hsi own life....when it comes to his own family sticking out their hand and begging....

THAT is what makes me despise him! Oh....some "nigger" (his wrod) in the inner city asking for help...THAT person needs to get a job...but if HE asks for help....he deserves it!!! Conservative Man is the *worst* kind of hypocrite...

Hate me for exposing him...hate me for saying things you dont' want to hear....but I only say what I have been told about CM....

@spyman...so insulting because CM is a hypocrite, and has no problem dragging MY name through the mud...but trust me....CM isn't half the conservative you think he is. He isn't half as principled as you pretend.

@Conservative Man....*very* interesting edit on that convo. lol but, despite your changes to the conversation...which are many...I agree with the general thrust. See....even when you lie, you fail. You would especiallyt fail if you included our *entire* conversation though......

You want me to edit and post my own version? lol

Sad little CM....tiem for you to grow up.

Yes, let's see your version

krellin we all know that CM is not conservative. I think he has changed his views quite a few times since he has been here and will probably change his view a few more times before he turns 21. And each time he does he might even be sure that "this time I am right" - that is because he is a kid. That's what kids do.

@krellin: I'd really love to see your version, considering mine was an exact copy and paste of our conversation.

Spyman....of course he is a kid....and a fool by nature...and will change his ideas sometimes daily. My only hope is that someday he man's up enough to admit it, Right now, he lies about hsi past statements, says things in private he wnt' say in public. I actually feel sorry for him. He's kind of pathetic....he is starting to think conservative....but his family situation demands that he reach out to Obaman and seek a hand-out. it's gotta be tough.


@Scuba....There is no "version"....there is only truth. CM has put put a nice edit....I can put up my full thread if I want....but i won't. I think the kid is hurting enough. I think the embarssaing things he said to me in private need to stay there....which is why he pre-empted and put up his "version" of the truth.

CM is a kis in pain....and I feel bad for him, becuase he is conflicted, and he lies, and he sticks his hand out for mercy and help,....but he spews self-reliance above all in his asinine Conservative rants.

He is detached om reailty....and I pity him. It is enough that he is trying to sort out his won pain without me piling on to him. The truth of our conversations is not something I want to share with you, as he reveals personal information that I don't think if appropriate for general consumption.