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orathaic (1009 D(B))
23 Oct 15 UTC
Debate tactics?
Dear American voters:
What do you think of the following, awesome idea or waste of tine?

http://www.clearerthinking.org/#!the-2016-presidential-debates--subtitled/wt7g0
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kasimax (243 D)
21 Oct 15 UTC
kasimax gunboat series
i'm not good, play with me.

3 games, 10 point buy-in each, anonymous, hdv, no in-game messaging, 48 hour phases, rr 95 or higher.
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Eadan (454 D)
23 Oct 15 UTC
Double Post Workaround
What is the workaround to bypass the double (or triple) posting of the same message when sending private messages?
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ali2542 (752 D(B))
17 Oct 15 UTC
Where the hell do i donate?!
Why is it so hard to find the donation button?! I want to pay my dues!
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
30 Sep 15 UTC
Top-rated games
I'm organizing a couple of games for the top players on the site. Details inside.
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Baskineli (100 D(B))
11 Oct 15 UTC
Anybody in for a game?
24-36 hours, WTA, anon, full press, small pot, no NMRs?
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Baskineli (100 D(B))
13 Oct 15 UTC
Israeli citizens are under attack in the last 2 weeks
These are the images we see every day here. I am trying to see how many of you are aware that this is what's going on in Israel right now.

https://www.facebook.com/kikarashabat/videos/1076698952354533/
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diplomat61 (223 D)
22 Oct 15 UTC
Is there anybody out there?
The Ancient Mediterranean, Anonymous players, Points-per-supply-center, Hidden draw votes. 20 D, 90%RR, 24 hr turns.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=168912
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seboomafou (267 D)
21 Sep 15 UTC
Toronto Blue Jays and MLB
Just a place to speak about the sudden and hopeful rise of the Toronto Blue Jays. Is anyone else hoping for a revival of 92/93?
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diplomat61 (223 D)
22 Oct 15 UTC
Oh no, not again
Classic game. Anonymous players, Points-per-supply-center, Hidden draw votes. 30 D, 90%RR, 24hr turns.

gameID=168816
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ssorenn (0 DX)
22 Oct 15 UTC
Who wants some.......
WTA 36 hour 30-100 bet. Classic anon or not.
1.ssorenn
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RAZ000 (272 D(G))
19 Oct 15 UTC
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Dear Canadians, please vote
Hey all,

Just a reminder to my fellow Canadians that today is election day. Please, go vote.
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
20 Oct 15 UTC
Child Labour
Since the forum is a fun place for discourse on politics, society and economy. Here is a real issue that has arisen in my work, which I'd like to discuss.
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MonsieurJavert (214 D)
19 Oct 15 UTC
Moblie App
Would some software developer with extra time on their hands be interested in developing a mobile app for webdip?
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Just_Beta (100 D)
18 Oct 15 UTC
I'm surprised this topic hasn't been discussed yet on the Forums?
ALTERNATE HISTORY! I'm quite a fan of it. I've made a couple of timelines and nations for alternate history. I've even sent some nations to the AlternateHistoryHub (although he hasn't answered ;{). Well I'll let you guys sound of in this thread you opinions, alternate timelines, alternate nations and whatever hoobily-goobily-shoobily stuff
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
17 Oct 15 UTC
YouTube Highlights Series Game 3
We didn't get the game off the ground last night, so we're trying again! If you don't know what these are about, check out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seK0GGDQP_M and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXyq0A-aGzY This is a great chance to get your game reviewed by expert players. Will be making the game soon to start around 8pm EST. Stay tuned!
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
16 Oct 15 UTC
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Made my fist contact today!
KC1AOF if anyone wants to see if they can reach me.
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Benjamin Franklin (712 D(G))
18 Oct 15 UTC
Need players for private full press anon game 24 hr phases
Come join private party.. all the cool people... well, just me and my sons have joined. We are strong competitors and want to play each other legally. Full press, anon. http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=168556
Password =kitty
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Rainbow Candy (127 D)
17 Oct 15 UTC
Ssssshhhhh...
Does anyone play Ancient Med on this site??
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denis (864 D)
11 Oct 15 UTC
London f2f game
Living in London at the moment thinking of playing a couple of f2f games, if anyone lives near and wants to play
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ali2542 (752 D(B))
14 Oct 15 UTC
How many seasons/turns before player removed from game?
How many seasons it takes for a player who's not giving any orders or coming to the board, to be removed from the game and be marked as "Left"?
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yassem (2533 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
So the Russian intervention in Syria...
Are we seriously not gonna discuss it? I think we should.
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yassem (2533 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
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The main questions:
1. Are we experiencing a comeback to Cold War rhetoric?
2. Is this going to be another Bear Trap defeat?
3. What effect will this have on other aspects of Russian international affairs (e.g. war in Ukraine, relations with Germany, who knows, perhaps even 2018 World Cup)

I think that (1) yes, what we see right now is the return of cold war rhetoric. The Russians insist the coalition of Western countries (let's just call it "the Coalition" for now - sounds cool) cease their bombing, the Coalition insist Russians cease theirs. It's clear that despite Putin's initial declaration this is not going to be a joint campaign against ISIS, but rather a conflict between Russia and the Coalition. Not unlike previously in Georgia and Ukraine, propaganda plays a huge role in this conflict. Right from the beginning, when Putin was playing a role of savior of the western world, saying that Russian involvement is the only way to destroy the Islamic State, etc. etc., all the way to what we are hearing now and the discourse between the official Russian statements (indicating all bombing is directed at ISIS) and the evidence presented by western media (evidence proving most of the bombing is conducted in areas where no ISIS activities where detected, and are instead aimed at Syrian opposition, backed by the Coalition).

Which leads us to (2). I must admit, I wasn't around for that, but doesn't this intervention looks exactly like the one Soviets tried to pull of back in the late '70s and '80s? Russian intervention, an increasing involvement - Russia is sending quite a number of aircrafts, they are sending special forces just in case, they are "selling" arms to the Syrian regime, including armored weapons... While on the other side of the conflict we have the opposing groups, Syrian National Coalition, Islamic Front, etc., which kind of resembles the Mujahideen in Afghanistan. Hell, one of the groups is even called the Army of Mujahideen. It's the Soviet-Afghan war all over again.

And finally (3). At one point it looked as if Russian support in Syria was going to be exchanged for the lifting of the sanctions introduced after their intervention in Ukraine. Now it seems almost certain, that Russians are not focused on fighting ISIS, but rather in defending the regime, which means that the political conflict between them and the West will only exacerbate. It kind of seems like Putin finally came to the point of "fuck the world, I do what I want", doesn't it? The one thing that annoys me the most, is that many countries don't want to reciprocate that attitude and instead continue making efforts to cooperate (I'm looking at you Germany).

And last but not least. Poor Kurds, right? : <

Anyway, I know how heated a discussion here can get, so let's hear it. What are your views on the subject? How about (1)-(3)? How should the West react to all of that?
steephie22 (182 D(S))
03 Oct 15 UTC
It's just a clever move. Calling it more than that is likely to be hypocritical.
yassem (2533 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
Well, yes it's clever. Now the whole West is Putin's hostage. We have to choose whether we accept stuff like Ukraine, killing members of opposition, rigged elections etc., AND he helps the coalition end the war, OR we keep the sanctions, keep isolating Russia and we're in for another 10-year-long proxy war. But if so, which is better?
shield (3929 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
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1) Russia's doing it for bases and sphere of influence. Almost certainly a return to Cold War rhetoric. Disappointing because I think it's not in their best interest. They would be much better off building positive relationships with the west and other nations and strengthening their economy.

2) Some similarities... but too soon to tell if they will succeed or bear trap.

3) I hope Russia cleans up the rebels including ISIS and replaces Assad with a more reasonable leader and brings peace to the region, but probably too much to ask. I think the coalition should work with Russia to defeat all rebels and secure stability in the region. Yes Assad is a bad dude, but this war is worse than pre rebellion. Secure peace then replace assad and support reform over the next 20 years.

4) Ukraine: Russia is being a cold war bully that no ones likes. Completely embarrassing for Russia as a world actor to be involved in the way it is. Would like to see military escalation from coalition. Russia is going to keep creeping just a little bit, a little more. A little more. Just enough its not worth fighting over. Pretty soon, is it really unreasonable for Russia to have a base in washington DC? Just face the bully down now.
leon1122 (190 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
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This all sound like what the U.S. has been doing for the past 1.5 decades, except without international outrage because might makes right and American exceptionalism.
BaldOldGuy (74 DX)
03 Oct 15 UTC
Islam is evil and must be eradicated. 0bama is unwilling to fight muslims in a meaningful way and will not act against the growing evil. Russia cannot have muslim violence grow and destroy its country. I just hope Europe can resist the muslim walking invasion.

Winston Churchill saw the problem first hand. Here is a quote from an 1899 book by Winston Churchill, "The River War", in which he describes Muslims he apparently observed during Kitchener's campaign in the Sudan:

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”
steephie22 (182 D(S))
03 Oct 15 UTC
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@yassem: It's really easy to turn that statement around. The west pulls off the same crappy shit and Putin has to choose whether he accepts it as well.

How outrageous that Russia uses cheap excuses to increase their influence, kills opposition etc. as well.

A war, even a cold war, has two sides. If one side is to blame, the USA has clearly been the first to provoke and the most provocative. When we point at Russia, we can name roughly two incidents to blame them. When they blame us, well, let's just say a couple more than two.

Let's not forget that they merely bombed enemy insurgents in Syria, WITH permission from Syria. We bomb without permission and also have the guts to support the rebels in the same country we're not asking permission from. Did it ever occur to you that we're the ones acting without any respect whatsoever for Syria's sovereignty?

I mostly support the west in this case, but we are in no position to be pointing fingers and we haven't been for well over a decade.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
03 Oct 15 UTC
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So take a step back and tell me why Russia needs our permission (rather than permission from the person officially in charge in the country) while we bomb whoever we please.
TrPrado (461 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
"I hope Russia...replaces Assad with a more reasonable leader and brings peace to the region" Russia supports the Assad regime. They have power BECAUSE of Russia. So really don't get your hopes up, that would take something beyond a miracle.
TrPrado (461 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
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Oh, and BOG, you aren't describing Islam, you're describing Arab Wahhabism, the cancer within Islam.
Baskineli (100 D(B))
03 Oct 15 UTC
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Here is some food for thought... The rebels and ISIS in Syria don't have aircrafts, yet Russia has brought in advanced anti-aircraft missiles to Syria as part of their deployment.

Any guesses why would they do it? Who are this missiles for?
shield (3929 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
@Baskineli, that's a good question. Maybe in case ISIS finds some hot air balloons or prop planes?
steephie22 (182 D(S))
03 Oct 15 UTC
Probably for the West if they dare intervene with the Assad business.

Really though, it's not like those missiles are better deployed elsewhere. Coming prepared isn't a crime.
BaldOldGuy (74 DX)
03 Oct 15 UTC
TrPrado says - “Oh, and BOG, you aren't describing Islam, you're describing Arab Wahhabism, the cancer within Islam.”

No, I’m just looking at the Koran and Hadidth that all muslims believe is the word of Allah and must be obeyed. Here are a few gems from the ‘Religion of cut them to Pieces” Islam is the cancer.

The Koran:

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Sura (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura (47:4) - "So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make them prisoners,"

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Ogion (3882 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
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Actually, what BOG describes sounds more like religion, generally. I live in a country where we see a lot more Christian terrorism than Islamic terrorism and a similar fanatical devotion to backward thinking and outright hallucination Certainly, Churchill's words could apply pretty equally to our evangelicals right here in the U.S.
Octavious (2701 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
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"Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them""

I think something may have been lost in the translation here. Either that, or the chap who wrote it seriously overestimated the terror induced by the prospect of getting your fingertips cut off post mortem.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
If my head is about to be cut off, I wouldn't be too worried about my fingertips, it's true.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
03 Oct 15 UTC
Maybe it's supposed to imply that he strikes off every single piece of the body, from the head to the smallest fingertip, therefore completely tearing the body apart? I don't know, the prospect of getting your head chopped of seems like the only scary prospect either way. Couldn't care less whether you put what's left in a box, turn it into ashes or chop it into pieces slightly larger than ashes.
shield (3929 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
You SHOULD be worried. Without teeth or fingerprints, how will anyone be able to identify you??
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
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@ BaldOldXenophobe:

You quoted Churchill speaking in defence of Christianity. So, here are a few quotes from Christianity's equivalent to the Koran, which is known as the "Bible", and which is full of passages calling people to be killed or maimed:

Deutoronomy 17:12: "Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the Lord your God must be put to death."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as with a women, both of them shall be put to death."

Exodus 21:15: "Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death."

Leviticus 20:9 :"All who curse their father or mother must be put to death."

2 Samuel 6: "When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God."

Ezekiel 9:5: "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all! Old and young, girls and women and little children."

Leviticus 26: "If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children..."

Jeremiah 48: "Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood."
steephie22 (182 D(S))
03 Oct 15 UTC
@shield: I don't want an anonymous life, but I really couldn't care less about an anonymous death. I would hope people will remember me for how I lived, not for how I died.
BaldOldGuy (74 DX)
03 Oct 15 UTC
First of all, that is the Old Testament. Christ changed the Law. You don't see Christians or the Amish cutting the heads off people. Cite some examples from the New Testament.
Durga (3609 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
The word of God is the word of God is it not? How dare you pick and choose what to believe while condemning Muslims for what is written in their book. The Bible, which consists of the old and new testaments, has awful things written in it as well. Ever heard of the Crusades?
Durga (3609 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
Christians have done awful things, don't kid yourself. So many people have died in the name of religion, just because they didn't behead as much doesn't mean they didn't kill.
Octavious (2701 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
Why would having my fingers make my body easier to identify? My fingerprints have never been taken, and to my knowledge not a person on this planet (including me) would recognize them. I cannot imagine a family member seeing my corpse and saying "That's not Octavious. I remember him having more fingers than that. And at least one head".

There is also an argument over whether it is even possible to have your fingertips cut off after being beheaded. Surely the bit that is most you is your head, in which case your fingers were cut off when they cut your body off. You could have your nose cut off, I guess, and if they were quick about it you might even be aware it's happening... But probably not...
TrPrado (461 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
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"No, I’m just looking at the...Hadidth [sic] that all muslims believe is the word of Allah and must be obeyed." This alone is reason not to take you seriously.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
@ BaldOldGuy:

Well, first of all, in the New Testament, several passages claim that the Old Testament law still applies in full - particularly in Matthew:

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets"

Matthew 5:18 "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

Matthew 5:19: "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Also, is it not the case that Christians see Jesus as God? That means that he was also the God of the Old Testament. The same God who commanded all those killings and the author of all those violent and disgusting commands.

Also, here's Jesus, in the New Testament, promising violence against those who don't obey God's law:

Revelation 2:22: "I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead."
Octavious (2701 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
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Revelation 2:22: "I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways"

Reminds me of a staff training week when they put us all up in the Holiday Inn...
KingCyrus (511 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
‘It is the decision of the holy Spirit and of us not to place on you any burden beyond these necessities, namely, to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols, from blood, from meats of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage. If you keep free of these, you will be doing what is right. Farewell.’

Acts 15:28-29
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
03 Oct 15 UTC
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@ Octavious: Speak not of your adulterous acts whilst staying in a budget hotel at your employer's expense. What happens in Milton Keynes stays in Milton Keynes.

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denis (864 D)
17 Oct 15 UTC
LOOK AT THE ENDGAME ON THAT ONE
gameID=168690

gunboat live game too, thats some telepathy right there and luck ofcourse
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denis (864 D)
16 Oct 15 UTC
how many live games have you managed to play simultaneously?
just a thought
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
16 Oct 15 UTC
YouTube Highlights Series Game 3
Hey everyone! Want to make it to a highlight video and the big leagues! Join our gunboat game starting in 1 hour that will be featured on the webDiplomacy Youtube channel.
gameID=168674; PW: Contact
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Oct 15 UTC
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Question - Do airline companies pay for maintaining contact with ground stations
Hey Everyone,
I have a question: do airliners operating international flights pay money to the ground stations they stay in contact with during their flight? Is it a lot?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
15 Oct 15 UTC
Wikileaks on the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement
Apparently one chapter of the final agreement was leaked recently.
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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
15 Oct 15 UTC
Diplomacy openings
Who was it that was asking about an openings compendium? TrPrado?

Anyway, https://diplomacyopenings.wordpress.com/
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Join a random game thread
Hey guys, join my game for some Fall of America!

gameID=168639
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
15 Oct 15 UTC
Question Game Victory
I have won the Question game:
viewthread=1292981

We should commemorate this with a live game of Diplomacy soon.
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