Forum
A place to discuss topics/games with other webDiplomacy players.
Page 1199 of 1419
FirstPreviousNextLast
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
17 Sep 14 UTC
(+9)
Site philosophy and forum moderation
Please read.
Page 1 of 5
FirstPreviousNextLast
 
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
17 Sep 14 UTC
(+7)
The vast majority of people who come to this site come to play Diplomacy online, some come for both the game and the forum, and a few individuals come only for the forum. The forum, however, is not apart from the site; it is a part of the site, and it is a representative of who we are and what we hope to do as a site. As a site, we hope to provide the best online Diplomacy gaming experience. That is the main purpose of the site, and that is our most important goal. It is not our only goal, but it is the most important goal. Since I became co-owner in June, the mod team and I have been working tirelessly to make site improvements, to make game-features development, and to encourage GR games and tournaments. In the span of those 3 months, we made coding changes, site changes, and updates that needed to be done and were not done in YEARS, from a small thing of moving the “save” and “ready” buttons apart, to updating the rules and rulebook, adding the Ghostrating link, giving credits where credits are due under “Credits,” updating the registration email so that the multi- and meta-gaming rules are visible so newcomers don’t make the mistake of violating those 2 rules, and as we speak, we are trying our best to implement the Preview and colorblindness features from Vdip. We have cut down the number of outstanding or ongoing cases from 70+ to 20-30 at any given time. For the most part, we have responded to cases and emails within two or three days instead of weeks and at times we have been able to respond within hours or even minutes for live games.

The mods and I have worked our collective asses off and late through the nights to make these changes and improvements so that our members can play and enjoy Diplomacy because that is why we exist as a site. The forum is a part of the site, but it is not a main component of the site.

Some of you will argue then for the mods, Kestas and I to then just mod games and leave the forum completely alone. This does not work. We have tried it for YEARS and it does not work. The laissez-faire attitude on the forum bred malcontent and hostility. It created an environment where it seemed acceptable for member to attack each other endlessly, where users have little to no respect for other users, the mods, or the owner. The bickering, ad hominems attacks, the hostile environment did not happen overnight, but they developed slowly but surely over time. This was an environment where it was deemed acceptable for users to threaten each other physically, to abuse each other on the forum and in PMs, to throw epithets around as if they don’t have meanings, to threaten or try to bring down the site because of a game or disagreement with a mod member, to abuse site volunteers on the forum and in emails when they have a disagreement, to sue the owner for giving out old site data for a research project, and more. This environment could be seen in the forum and in the mod emails where people would be as irrational and disrespectful about games and game-modding as they were on the forum. How people acted on the forum mirrored on how they acted in games and in game-related things. Mods were getting burned out faster than we could recruit them. Cases were not getting done, there were ongoing cases that went back several months, and given the volume of cases at points, they were done hastily, which resulted in games being ruined or cheaters getting by. Moreover, users would then attack mods in the forum and created drama after drama for game-related stuff. For a gaming site such as ours, it is not possible to separate the forum from the game. We then tried having abge be the forum mod and the mod team takes care of just games. Despite abge having some success with the forum, it was not sustainable without him, and eventually even he got tired of dealing with the endlessly hostile environment the forum presented.

In July when I laid out our updated rules and forum philosophy and when we did a site-wide survey, we received a lot of feedback and support for what we were doing and were trying to do. Since then we have tried our best to be consistent with what we do and what we say, implementing policies behind the scenes to ensure all moderators are on the same page, and while mistakes do happen we are actively working on reducing them. For us, it is not acceptable to continually attack another member or his family or laugh at tragic deaths whether or not it was claimed to be satire. When krellin went over the line, he was silenced. We had our disagreements but since then he saw that we were trying to maintain the integrity of the site, that we are being consistent and has said so in the forum. When Putin attacked krellin and his family in a thread where krellin was celebrating a new job, I told Putin that was not acceptable and asked him to change that, but he believed that I was singling him out, then he went from thread to thread to complain that special rules were being applied to him despite being asked to discuss his issues and concerns in the mod emails. When ssorenn attacked members, I PMed him to ask him to stop or dial it back, and he knows that I am willing to silence him if he doesn’t stop when he’s asked. Some of these behaviors have existed for years and cannot be changed overnight, but people should be willing to listen and try to modify their behaviors. I am sorry if some of you think it is okay for mapleleaf to make fun of tragic shootings or 9-11, but it isn’t for me. I silenced him each time he did it. If there is another Diplomacy gaming site that would allow that kind of stuff, then I would like to know which site that is and see how they maintain a strong active user base and have such a forum. Show me that it can be done and I will see what we can do to make it work here on our site.

In my opinion, we cannot have a gaming forum where anything and everything is acceptable and have an excellent gaming site at the same time. If Kestas and I have to choose one or the other, we would choose the latter each and every time, and I believe so would the vast majority of our members. The mod team and I are not advocating for a game-only forum, but we are advocating for a forum where people are free to discuss and disagree with each other and where we are free to express ourselves, but not a forum where people can continually abuse community members, which also includes volunteers, the moderators, and spew whatever vitriol that comes to their mind. This has to be a forum where members can feel safe to speak up and have some reasonable expectation of respect. Respect should be the norm, not the exception. And in the last few months, in addition to the site development, that’s what the mods and I have tried to do. Have we been perfect? Hell no. We have made mistakes. However, we have tried to be consistent with what we think is reasonable, and when members have crossed that line, we have informed them in the forum and through PMs or emails and we have asked them to modify their behaviors. Moreover, to keep the unnecessary forum drama down, we have also asked members to email us with concerns and disagreements (a fairly standard practice on gaming sites). We are still learning how to do that well.

The short and long of this is that we are a gaming site and we are aiming to bring the best online Diplomacy gaming experience that we can. That is our philosophy.

zultar
Co-Owner
Mapu (362 D)
17 Sep 14 UTC
What is the tl;dr version?
Chaqa (3971 D(B))
17 Sep 14 UTC
(+3)
TL;DR new rules stay, deal with it, it's a gaming site
TulliusCicero (0 DX)
17 Sep 14 UTC
Reverse Silence
Mapu (362 D)
17 Sep 14 UTC
(+2)
Joined 6:35. Banned 6:36. RIP -- We hardly knew ye.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
17 Sep 14 UTC
(+4)
Only Synapse could use being banned to transcend into a more irritating entity.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
17 Sep 14 UTC
(+1)
Guess I will take a page out of Oli's book when it comes to SYnapse multi's from now on. Sorry bub, no more free advertising.

-WebDip Admin
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
17 Sep 14 UTC
(+3)
diprepublic.net: where disgruntled former webdippers go to complain about webdip.

Where do people who Synapse bans go? vdip?
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
17 Sep 14 UTC
That was Synapse? I was kinda hoping for bolshoi.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
17 Sep 14 UTC
Who else would constantly read these forums looking for an excuse to link that website.

Should make it so you need an account to read the forums.
ssorenn (0 DX)
17 Sep 14 UTC
(+1)
for what it is worth, i will try my best to openly chastise anyone on the forum from now on, and if i have insulted you in the past, i am sorry

Lets play Diplomacy
ssorenn (0 DX)
17 Sep 14 UTC
NOT^
Thucydides (864 D(B))
17 Sep 14 UTC
*does the wacky dance*
ssorenn (0 DX)
17 Sep 14 UTC
Thucy what you did in Jamaica is not for here
JamesYanik (548 D)
17 Sep 14 UTC
it is for EVERYWHERE!!!
ghug (5068 D(B))
17 Sep 14 UTC
(+4)
Did the Putin eulogy thread really need to be locked?
Al Swearengen (0 DX)
18 Sep 14 UTC
(+2)
Yeah locking the eulogy thread wasn't cool. If you're tempted to do that, you're having moderator fatigue.

Promote a couple of senior players to moderate the forums when you need a break, or else add a "flag" button so that you are only stuck reading threads that have been flagged.
tendmote (100 D(B))
18 Sep 14 UTC
"The forum is a part of the site, but it is not a main component of the site."

Well, for whatever random reasons, a community did emerge on this forum that was engaged primarily with non-gaming issues. It's perfectly reasonable to re-focus this site on gaming, but perhaps there is a way to spin-off the non-gaming focused community? The purpose of the site and the participation in the forum simply do not coincide a lot of the time.
Chaqa (3971 D(B))
18 Sep 14 UTC
Can I copy my post from an earlier thread?

"A big wall of text that says nothing"

Might be paraphrased a bit.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
18 Sep 14 UTC
"It's perfectly reasonable to re-focus this site on gaming, but perhaps there is a way to spin-off the non-gaming focused community?"

I believe the word you're looking for is DipRepub - oh, wait, no more free advertising.
Chaqa (3971 D(B))
18 Sep 14 UTC
(+1)
Unlike some of you, I still think DipRepublic had honest intentions, and I liked the idea. But they got bitter over there pretty quick, and the hostility from the mod team here didn't help.

I still think all this forum nonsense is dumb. The forum has been dull as fuck lately and it's a direct result of everyone policing their words so they don't get the banhammer.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
18 Sep 14 UTC
Oh I agree it started with decent intentions, it's just not something we're interested in being affiliated with. SYnapse constantly making multi's doesn't help their case much either.
Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
18 Sep 14 UTC
(+3)
I hadn't heard of this until right now. Thanks bo.
tendmote (100 D(B))
18 Sep 14 UTC
Why not advertise an alternative forum for people who want to carry on non gaming discussions? Keeps this site focused on gaming, gives people a place to rant, everyone wins. Instead of threatening silences, tell people to take it elsewhere; tell them where and it would probably happen.
Chaqa (3971 D(B))
18 Sep 14 UTC
(+1)
Because they can't/won't endorse a site that is critical of their actions, and is run by a banned member who has made multiple accounts here to circumvent his questionable ban over new, questionable policies.
ssorenn (0 DX)
18 Sep 14 UTC
I had suggested before that this forum, solely be for gaming ,and a tab to a separate forum for all other topics would be a good answer for the site.
tendmote (100 D(B))
18 Sep 14 UTC
Still seems win/win in spite of the antagonisms.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
18 Sep 14 UTC
@Chaqa, SYnapse was banned for impersonating the moderator email about a year ago, lying and saying he had Kestas's approval, and for adding blanflag in hacking the site code to circumvent a silence, on top of a few other offenses we went over at the time. It was actually a ban more justified then just about any other I've seen.

The problem with a separate site becomes logistics for rules too. What do we do if people start talking about live games there? What do we do when gunboat games are discussed or people break anonymity, etc. Those were questions we were never able to get working answers for, so it's not something we could be associated with. Same reason I think Oli on vdip had them remove the official association with vdip they had on the main page.
Chaqa (3971 D(B))
18 Sep 14 UTC
I wasn't aware of anything beyond the fake email fiasco. I always thought the [email protected] thing was silly but not ban worthy. Hacking the site is a bit different.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
18 Sep 14 UTC
Impersonating site moderators is ban-worthy on pretty much any remotely popular website.

Page 1 of 5
FirstPreviousNextLast
 

122 replies
Nikola Maric Eto (24945 D)
19 Sep 14 UTC
(+1)
What is happening with this site???
Some 2 years ago when I joined Webdiplomacy you could play 3 games in a row during one night. Now, you cant get players for even one game. Everyone is just typing on forum. Maybe if we type about it, we can overcome this problem somehow?! Play people, play.
8 replies
Open
steephie22 (182 D(S))
17 Sep 14 UTC
Can you get into legal trouble for simply sitting next to a guy using illegal drugs?
Just checking.
18 replies
Open
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
09 Sep 14 UTC
Please sign this petition
The UK's Cuntservative-led government is murdering the poor and the vulnerable. It must stop.

http://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-hold-an-inquiry-into-benefit-sanctions-that-killed-my-brother
114 replies
Open
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
18 Sep 14 UTC
(+1)
abge's Craft Corner
My gf and I made a small table. Nothing intense; the pieces were pre-cut, we just picked what we liked and assembled and painted it. I'm pretty sure it ended up being more expensive than just buying one, but it was a fun project. http://tinyurl.com/lm89ydg

Anyone else have a fun project they're working on they'd like to share?
31 replies
Open
Ben K (383 D)
18 Sep 14 UTC
join game
join the benevolent dictator game. starts in 40 minutes and is a live game
1 reply
Open
emfries (0 DX)
18 Sep 14 UTC
Need Three More Players
gameID=147308

Classic WTA Full Press 48 hr phases, the bet is 143 D.
Game starts in 3 days.
1 reply
Open
peterwiggin (15158 D)
17 Sep 14 UTC
(+3)
Article on press
http://www.diplom.org/Zine/F2012M/Johnston/discuss.htm

An article describing how press ties into the strategy of a high-level player. (I played with this guy years ago on Bounced. With all due respect to THM, MM, Ebay, VI, etc, he's still the best opponent I've ever faced).
3 replies
Open
TheWizard (5364 D(S))
02 Sep 14 UTC
FtF tourney in Berlin, Germany, 19-21st September
I'll be there... And would encourage anyone else who is interested in playing the game the way it was meant to be played to come and give it a try.
Belgium for you if you can make it there!
11 replies
Open
kasimax (243 D)
17 Sep 14 UTC
putin memorial game
full press, wta, 36 hour phases, buy-in <25. everything as usual apart from socialist slogans in the public chat.

1. kasimax
2. ssorenn
26 replies
Open
JaimeR (100 D)
18 Sep 14 UTC
New game -- Skill share 1
New game announcement, for Skill Share 1, at http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=147630. Please see next post for details.
16 replies
Open
ChadJ (100 D)
18 Sep 14 UTC
5 minute phase game starting in 30 minutes.
The subject says it all! Come and play some more fast paced political intrigue.
4 replies
Open
2ndWhiteLine (2596 D(B))
18 Sep 14 UTC
Now for something completely different
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/world/europe/buckingham-palace-dancing-guard-throws-decorum-to-the-wind.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=1419773522000
0 replies
Open
Thucydides (864 D(B))
16 Sep 14 UTC
(+3)
Putin got banned
Post eulogies here
135 replies
Open
mapleleaf (0 DX)
15 Sep 14 UTC
(+9)
Well, I've had enough...
Between the jingoistic american members and american biased, childish, corrupt staff, this site has degraded irrevocably.
87 replies
Open
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 Sep 14 UTC
Open CD Positions
We have a ton of open CD positions tonight. Take one, take two, take ten. Take them all if you'd like. The best (subjectively, of course) positions are those near the top but the ones at the bottom are all still in contention in their respective games. If a game is broken, send me a PM.
5 replies
Open
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
17 Sep 14 UTC
(+1)
Where My Haters At
I need some inspiration for my profile. It still feels a little empty without the likes of Lando and Santa on it.
29 replies
Open
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
17 Sep 14 UTC
Sounds
What are some good sounds? What are some bad sounds?
10 replies
Open
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
14 Sep 14 UTC
Update to the metagaming rule
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/rules.php
30 replies
Open
Al Swearengen (0 DX)
16 Sep 14 UTC
On the Dreaded WebEx
This should receive the Ban.
11 replies
Open
Hazel-Rah (1262 D)
16 Sep 14 UTC
(+3)
Idea for site improvement
Practical use for +1's. See below:
36 replies
Open
Bayclown (0 DX)
15 Sep 14 UTC
On Wings of Eagles Wrap
Old thread was locked so here's a new one. I mainly want to see Sherin's guesses:
6 replies
Open
JamesYanik (548 D)
16 Sep 14 UTC
Earlier Cat Gets the Bird
gameID=147547
8 hour phases!!!
0 replies
Open
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
13 Sep 14 UTC
(+1)
In Support of Seaworld
Just because.
16 replies
Open
SantaClausowitz (360 D)
15 Sep 14 UTC
Live games
Anyone have an idea why live games have been so hard to come by recently?
7 replies
Open
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Sep 14 UTC
NFL Pick 'em Week 2: Which Contender Starts 0-2?
So, we missed the Ravens beating the Steelers, mea culpa...

We move on to the rest of Week 2...let's get too it--pick 'em!
12 replies
Open
redhouse1938 (429 D)
15 Sep 14 UTC
Teaching at Engineering school level
I'll soon be teaching at an Engineering school level.
4 replies
Open
Imperator Dux (603 D(B))
15 Sep 14 UTC
Sitter for games due to knee surgery.
I am currently looking for a sitter with a good reputation for my games while I am the hospital for a knee surgery. Anyone interested?
1 reply
Open
jimbursch (100 D)
15 Sep 14 UTC
webDip the open source dev project
Is any distinction made between webDiplomacy the game website and webDiplomacy the open source development project? This is a question primarily for developers such as myself.
5 replies
Open
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
11 Sep 14 UTC
(+3)
Putin Takes Issue with US Airstrikes vs. ISIS Sans "UN Mandate"
http://news.yahoo.com/russia-says-u-airstrikes-without-un-mandate-act-121519895.html

Because of course Putin ALWAYS waits for a UN mandate before taking military action himself, right?
65 replies
Open
Page 1199 of 1419
FirstPreviousNextLast
Back to top