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SYnapse (0 DX)
28 Feb 14 UTC
Some thoughts on my article
the-philosopher.co.uk/republicanism.htm

Comments please?
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
27 Feb 14 UTC
The Live Game Promotion Problem
as per below

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Orka (785 D)
27 Feb 14 UTC
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Iron Maiden
Who else loves them?
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oscarjd74 (100 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
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Who's up for a game of Backseat Driver Diplomacy?
See inside.
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kasimax (243 D)
27 Feb 14 UTC
new egypt in modern gunboat needed
unfortunately, we lost egypt in an ongoing modern gunboat game. two-day phases, buy-in 15.
gameID=132764
the position is far from perfect, but it can be game-changing!
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nfowler562 (100 D)
26 Feb 14 UTC
New
So I am newish; where do I go?

Curious about Gunboat but can't find rules or info on it.
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semck83 (229 D(B))
25 Feb 14 UTC
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Pseudoscience
An article on the left and pseudoscience. (Focusing on Whole Foods). Comments?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/23/whole-foods-america-s-temple-of-pseudoscience.html
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
25 Feb 14 UTC
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100% in agreement with most of this article. Homeopathy is idiocy. Please don't think that the majority of people with leftist tendencies buy into this crap (please tell me we don't, do we? haha).

That being said, the author makes a bold claim when he says that creationism and climate change denial are harmless on the same level as this. First of all, its a matter of scale. What percentage of Americans strongly believe in the efficacy of homeopathic remedies? Comparatively much fewer, I would hope.

Far more importantly is the pervasiveness of the errant beliefs. There are the unfortunate wacks who end up teaching their children that this stuff works, but there is no massive organized movement to push homeopathic remedies into our educational system as if it were on equal footing to true medicine: to "teach the debate" (chortle) as it were. As a wise man said, "they have a name for when homeopathic medicine works. We call it 'Medicine'. " Likewise, there is no massive privately funded misinformation movement trying to teach the validity of homeopathic remedies, such as there is with the corporate movement to legitimize climate change denial.

Finally, a foolish belief in the efficacy of homeopathy does not exert a backwards pressure on research and funding of true medicine. The same cannot be said of AGW denial or the push for public teaching of creationism as science. In summary, the difference lies in the fact that, while the belief itself is perhaps equally harmless, the scale of concerted effort put forth in AGW denial and creationism compared to homeopathy makes the latter a much more benign stupidity.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
25 Feb 14 UTC
note: the author does provide a few examples on organized stupidity re: homeopathy. Perhaps its a confirmation bias, but I really haven't noticed anything myself on anything approaching the same level as the other two. Anyways, you know my line, Semck, combat stupidity on every level. I suppose it's only a matter of time before enough people believing stupid shit causes problems.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
25 Feb 14 UTC
The anti-GMO and anti-vaccine movements are excellent examples of how science-illiterate Left can be just as harmful to society as science-illiterate Right.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
25 Feb 14 UTC
Interesting article here, Semck:

http://homeopathywritings.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/the-god-question-and-its-relationship-to-homeopathy/


It's well written and rather thought provoking, I find.
fiedler (1293 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
pseudo is pronounced soo-doo, not pwa-sway-doah.
Ogion (3882 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Creationism and general approaches that ignore evolution help erode the usefulness of antibiotics, but mostly it is the anti-science attitudes that do harm. Climate change of course threatens human civilization, so climate denial is in an entirely different class. Still, if you want anti-science lefty nonsense, you ought to add the kerfuffle about smart meters to the list, which very much does concrete harm (as does the anti-vax bullshit)
Putin33 (111 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
I'm not understanding why Whole Foods is singled out for being a temple of quackery. It's not as if run of the mill grocery chains don't carry the same stuff re: probiotics and homeopathy, which are apparently on par with saying the earth is 6,000 years old.

The article could have been serious but got silly fairly quickly.
Putin33 (111 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
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Also, going to a Whole Foods in Durham and concluding from that that all liberals are into homeopathy is pretty rich coming from someone who claims to rail against 'pseudo-science'.
oscarjd74 (100 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
It's highly debatable to characterize that homeopathy crap as left wing. In fact, a case can be made for it to be considered right wing nonsense. See for instance this blog post: http://buffalobeast.com/twic-15/

So, semck, on what basis do you consider homeopathy left wing? Or was that just another pseudo-scientific statement?
Draugnar (0 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
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Right or wrong, the perception is that homeopathic remedies go along with the new age/crystal movement and comes from one of the left's biggest city and state, Hollywood, CA. Again, just a perception.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
25 Feb 14 UTC
@oscar Interesting blog. Not sure how convincing it is, it seems mostly speculation, but I would very much like to know how the belief breaks down by political alignment.
oscarjd74 (100 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
I agree YJ. It is mostly speculation. The media commercials are a somewhat convincing argument though, if it is indeed true that they are primarily aired around right wing news outlets. I don't watch any US news or commercials myself so I wouldn't know. In any case, it presents a stronger argument IMO than the reverse hypothesis of it being a left wing thing, which is also purely speculative (or "just a perception" as Draugnar likes to call it).

Anyway, I googled for a breakdown of homeopathy users by political alignment but couldn't find any useful data.
krellin (80 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
"That being said, the author makes a bold claim when he says that creationism and climate change denial are harmless on the same level as this."

Do you find it at all ironic, YJ, that the author also points out that the Whole Foods market it stuffed to the gills with liberal academia....yeah, that would probably include all those brilliant scientists hyping global climate doom. So they're too stupid to grasp that rubbing your nuts with two stones will increase your virility...but their pretty damned certain that the earth's about to explode...

Think about it...
oscarjd74 (100 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Although I'm not well versed in food sciences I doubt that there is much scientific consensus about the benefits (or lack thereof) of whole foods. Certainly not to the extent that there is consensus about climate models.

Also, krellin, please name a couple of scientists that have produced scientific publications on both the climate as well as on whole foods. If you can't then you force me to conclude that, as always, you are talking out of your ass.
krellin (80 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Oscar -- how about we do this. I will instead list off, right here, a list of publications with doom and gloom climate predictions that (wait for it...)....CAME TRUE...

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<still waiting???>
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<yeah, so are we all...>
Draugnar (0 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
As far as whole foods and homeopathy. Real homeopathy has naught to do with whole foods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_food

As far as whole food goes, there is benefit to it. I seriously doubt my personal care physician, my dietician, and many other health care experts I deal with would encourage me to by whole grains if it weren't helpful. Whole grain based breads, cereals, and pastas are lower in sugar and the glycemic load on them is much better for a diabetic. My reasons for organic and free-range food are more for the health of the environment and the well-being of the animal I am about to consume. I may be eating it, but there is no reason it should be abused before I do.
krellin (80 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
There is an argument to be made that you don't need grains, and in fact there are chemical properties to grains that blocks absorption of nutrients.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/

And no...not just another quack. This guy actually gets in to the science behind why he recommends eating or not eating something. Interesting web site.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
25 Feb 14 UTC
Well lets be clear, krellin: the "literature" on the shelves at whole foods is in no way the product of liberal academia, or any academia for that matter. You should read the article I posted. To me it goes a long way to explaining why morons like homeopathy.


@Draugnar you're conflating the generic term "whole food" with the grocery chain named "Whole Foods." They are two very different things. Whole food is as wikipedia describes, and nobody has a problem with it. Whole Foods is a corporation that sells organic foods at inflated rates, as well as pushes the hippy crap Semck talks about. It's basically doing the same thing the "Goodwill" company does: choosing a name that people associate with something positive so they will think that a choice to shop/donate there is a wise one.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
25 Feb 14 UTC
re: eating grains: you don't "need" to eat anything in particular in this day and age. You could just eat calorie gruel 3 times a day and take supplements. *shrug* Not saying he's necessarily wrong, but you could make the same argument for vegetables and meat.
Draugnar (0 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Actually, my dietician agrees with him. The idea is that if I am going to eat bread, pasta, or cereal, that whole grain is better cause it flushes through and doesn't spike my hemoglobin, but that I am better off avoiding it when I can.

But damn it, bagels are just so fucking good for breakfast and burritos for lunch! I can't always just eat salads and I already gave up all forms of potato (I'd kill to eat a backed potato). So I've switched to whole wheat soft tortillas, whole kernel corn crunchy tortillas and chips (they can be found in the organic aisle at most grocers), and 100% whole grain bagels, breads, and English muffins.
krellin (80 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
YJ - who's talking about just the literature on the store shelves. I'm talking about the brainiacs form acedemia buying all the snake oil off the shelves and pumping it into their bodies liek they are going to live forever, whilst making yet another gloom and dom prediction.

You (presumably) are smart enough to not buy the snake oil, YJ, seeing it for the fraud it is, and yet the same acedemia that is consistently predicting doom and gloom don't have the god-given sense to not buy the snake oil. Well...here's the clue: The snake oil is just a waste of money, and their prediction of doom consistently fail to come true. Might tell you a little bit about how fucked up...and how wrong...a lot of academia that you place faith in are. Just saying...
Draugnar (0 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Then what is Putin talking about here?

" It's not as if run of the mill grocery chains don't carry the same stuff re: probiotics and homeopathy,"

Outside of vitamin supplements (my doc has me take fish oil for cholesterol, that's not homeopathic, that's approved by the AMA) and the traditional health foods (organic, free range, and whole grain stuff), I can honestly say the only thing I ever see bordering on that is the stupid Activia. I can attest from quasi-personal experience that Activia makes my wife take a crap. It cleans her out., But then so does sugar-free chocolate.
krellin (80 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Draug - well I'm glad to hear you say that - because many people don't believe it when you say grains are bad/unnecessary.

As for that bagel...my wife and I have pretty much given up bread and pasta, and at first it was hard, but now I don't really miss it.
Draugnar (0 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
And I avoid shopping at "Whole Grains" as it is full of hipsters willing to shell out way too much cash for some special fucking bean. I can get the same organic bean at Kroger for half the price.
Draugnar (0 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
@krells - I've shifted to flat bread for my subway sandwiches (half the sugar of even the whole wheat) and have them build a $5 foot long on a 6" flat bread. I've made enough changes, but I cannot give up all breads.
2ndWhiteLine (2611 D(B))
25 Feb 14 UTC
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Whole Foods doesn't sell snake oil, they sell organic, extra virgin, Greek snake oil.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
25 Feb 14 UTC
@krellin: belief in homeopathy is the curse of the uneducated, not of the liberal. I don't think you'll find many PhD's, lib or con, buying the snake oil, yes?

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@draug I'm not sure what you mean. If you go to the medicine isle of a grocery store you'll probably see a modest selection of the same homeopathic stuff. I can't say for certain, I don't buy garbage.
krellin (80 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
@YJ...Ohhhhh...well extra virgin snake oil....that's a whole (hee hee) new thing. If they'd top it off with a drop of breast milk it would be healthier than a unicorn fart, and I'd bathe myself in it.
krellin (80 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
"belief in homeopathy is the curse of the uneducated, not of the liberal. I don't think you'll find many PhD's"

This assertion is directly contradicted by the article, and by personal anecdote.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
25 Feb 14 UTC
Wow, I did miss that, thanks. Well I won't deny that lots of the people I know and work with shop there (for the natural foods part), but none of them believe in homeopathy.

I think it's jumping the gun to assume everybody who shops at Whole Foods is a believer in nonsense.

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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
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It's (almost) my webDip Birthday!
In under 2 hours I'll be 6 years old! In lieu of presents, please contribute to the site, either with a donation, volunteering to help with a tournament/SoW, opening a Chase bank account, or just starting an interesting discussion on the Forum.

Thanks to everyone for making this my favorite site on the Internet for 6 years running!
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
27 Feb 14 UTC
This is nuts, glad i got ousted lolol
... ?gameID=136595 live now pffff
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Jacksonisboss (30 DX)
27 Feb 14 UTC
a new live game
join "another practice game live ppsc" . it is ppsc and it starting 2 minutes
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Jacksonisboss (30 DX)
27 Feb 14 UTC
join
join my game for new player/pros who like helping others. it is "another practice game live ppsc"(exactly that) btw starts in 15 minutes
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Lord Baldy (100 D)
26 Feb 14 UTC
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BIG FAT HAIRY BUMHOLES
Need I say more?...
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Lord Baldy (100 D)
26 Feb 14 UTC
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FLUFFY WHITE CLOUDS
Aren't they lovely?...
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
23 Feb 14 UTC
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A Jewish State? Israel? YES. YES IT IS.
http://news.yahoo.com/israeli-demand-sparks-39-jewish-state-39-debate-192744221.html It's a Jewish State. As surely as Ireland's an Irish state and Iran's an Iranian state, Israel is a JEWISH state...THE Jewish state. Make the Palestinians recognize that, and in turn, make the Israelis stop the terrible, TERRIBLE expansion plan into the West Bank. As surely as there must be a Palestine, Israel MUST be THE Jewish state.
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Orka (785 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Variants
How do we get variants on this site?
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krellin (80 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Designer (Rich) Babies. Someone...
...won't be a ditch-digger.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-25/dad-may-join-two-moms-for-disease-free-designer-babies.html

Yes, the elite are already making their push for designer babies. I'll take my girl 5'7" with "c" cups, blonde (strawberry) and green eyes, please. And Wicked smart...
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
25 Feb 14 UTC
Guys - I Found Us a Life Hack
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relationships/10658271/Automated-texts-to-your-girlfriend-Theres-an-app-for-that.html

Anyone that uses this shouldn't have a girlfriend, but at the same time, damn, that could be useful.
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Son: "Dad, what's SILVER?"
Dad:..........
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Putin33 (111 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Timewarner - Comcast Merger
Will it go through and what does it mean for Net Neutrality, especially since the courts vacated FCC rules governing the internet?

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PiC (2166 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
join you have three builds as italy
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=136521&msgCountryID=0&rand=18504#chatboxanchor
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ILN (100 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Most peaceful philosophy
http://mises.ca/posts/blog/libertarianism-they-only-peaceful-philosophy/

Curious about what people will say on this...
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Feb 14 UTC
The Good Old International "FUCK YOU!"...I mean, The Good Old Hocke Game...
...is the best game you can name, and the best game you can name, is a US-Gold Medal game! Anyone else pulling for Team USA to kick some Russian ass and win the Gold at Sochi? Any of our Canadian WebDippers proud of their awesome squad looking to defend their title? Any chance Putin wants to stand by Real Putin and that big, bad, high-powered Russian squad?
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ILN (100 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Dirty Internet tactics
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
24 Feb 14 UTC
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Obama's first good decision
Like a dead clock that's right two times a day, Obama made a good decision.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/24/us/politics/pentagon-plans-to-shrink-army-to-pre-world-war-ii-level.html?hp&_r=0
Congratulations Americans.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Feb 14 UTC
The Liberal (AKA Anti-NRA/krellin) Gun Club
http://gma.yahoo.com/gun-club-liberals-un-nra-010923198.html
"She has no use, however, for the NRA's conservative political agenda... Its mission, she says, is to provide "a place for gun owners to talk to other owners about neat gun stuff, without having to hear how the president is a Muslim-usurper-socialist running a false-flag operation." Clearly, Ms. Hoeber's been reading our posts...clearly.
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oscarjd74 (100 D)
24 Feb 14 UTC
Shouldn't draw votes be anonymous?
I don't mind that cancel and pause votes are out in the open, but I'd expect draw votes to be anonymous. That's how it was when I played FtF and on the email judges. Any particular reason why they are not anonymous on this site?
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dyedinthewool (95 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
settings
Trying to join anon game not sure how to set settings for this or will it automatically hide my user name
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shield (3929 D)
25 Feb 14 UTC
Public Press Gunboat
More akin to real life gunboat where we can chat about anything except the game. Does anyone do this? I prefer gunboat because diplomacy just takes a lot of time that I'd rather spend doing other things in my life. However sometimes it would be nice to have the option of sending a public shout out on some topic.
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Jacksonisboss (30 DX)
24 Feb 14 UTC
new game
join my game of "practice not for points". it is for new players or pros who need practice. it is ppsc, clasic, and one day turns
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Lackbeard (75 D)
24 Feb 14 UTC
World missing Argentina
Just need someone to full Argentinas spot. gameID=134431

He was doing really well, on 11 SCs
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