And the good news is that Netanyahu doesn't give a fuck about what the rest of the world thinks, if he wants to bomb he'll bomb ...... no wonder there is no peace in the Middle East with a dickhead like this in power.....

"no wonder there is no peace in the Middle East with a dickhead like this in power..... "

Well, that's OK, because that dickhead Obama will be out of office in 3 years. I know, it'll be a long three years, though.....

"How to really piss off an Israeli PM…"

1) breath
2) speak
3) hint or insinuate that Isreal has some kind of responsibility toward people under their occupation
4) publicly state that the canaanite claim to palestine predates the hebrew claim and therefore the real homeland for world jewry is the southern iraq (ie Ur of old).

"And the good news is that Netanyahu doesn't give a fuck about what the rest of the world thinks, if he wants to bomb he'll bomb"

This is a very valid point, if you completely ignore the fact that he's never bombed anyone despite constant threats for years.

So let's just ignore that and spread bullshit.

Facts don't matter. Wild-ass accusations and fear mongering matter.

Evidently.

Obama once again earns his peace prize.

Will he get credit for his shrewd and effective diplomacy on Iran? Nope.

"Wild-ass accusations and fear mongering matter." - This from Krellin, whilst fear-mongering against Iran as if his life depended on it.

A few years ago, Nicolas Sarkozy said to Obama on an international meeting angrily:

N.S.: "I can't see this man (Nethanyau) any more. He is a liar!"

B.O.: "What I should say then, I have close him nearly every day!"

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-sarkozy-told-obama-he-can-t-bear-netanyahu-the-liar-1.394338

Who can stand Netanyahu? He doesn't have a single friend among world leaders (which is clear from the fact that they all backed the Iran deal). He has successfully isolated and weakened Israel beyond a level I thought possible.

"Obama once again earns his peace prize."

Even if you think this is a good deal, the whole war in Libya, planned war in Syria without Congressional or UN authorization, and use of drone killings with abandon ought to still keep him in negative territory when it comes to deserving the peace prize.


This is a good deal if you think the United States should learn to live with a nuclear Iran and accept that the Islamic Republic will endure. We may be able to do that. Obama, particularly after the Syria debacle, seems to be pulling up stakes in the Middle East. With North American energy self-sufficiency almost a reality already the region very well could slip out of being an important part of the world for our interests.

Israel, however, is stuck there. And it cannot accept the patron of Hezbollah to have nuclear capability. This deal's made it clear that America will never attack Iran to prevent it from getting a nuclear weapon. In making what could very well be a good deal for the United States, Obama has potentially set the stage for a unilateral Israeli strike. That still probably won't happen, but this makes it much more likely.

No one can stand him on either side. No one's supporting him. All I said is that Nigee should watch the bullshit and try using facts.

There isn't even any good evidence that Iran is trying to get a nuclear bomb.

Who needs evidence when you have Invictus's knee-jerk certainty. So what if Bush's intelligence in 2007 and Obama's intelligence in 2011 said that Iran was not after nukes.

American intelligence is too busy spying on you, Angela Merkel, and I to be reliable internationally.

Source: Iraq

A country sitting on an ocean of oil needs nuclear power for electricity? And is willing to endure these kinds of sanctions over the principle to build whatever power plant it wants? And builds missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads?

Iran absolutely seeks nuclear weapons. It certainly seeks the ability to build them if it ever decided to take the plunge, like where Japan and Canada are today. Maybe we can live with that. Israel, one dirty bomb in Tel Aviv away from destruction, cannot.

Israel already has nuclear weapons. Do you really think Iran is willing to commit suicide? The state has been a rational actor for decades, it's not going to change that suddenly.

@ Invictus: "A country sitting on an ocean of oil needs nuclear power for electricity?"

They want to sell their oil, not use it for domestic consumption.

It's not like they have to choose, Jamiet99uk. Where do you think Saudi Arabia gets its electricity?

"Israel already has nuclear weapons. Do you really think Iran is willing to commit suicide?"

It's not about using nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons don't exist to be used. They exist as a way to project power more effectively. A nuclear Iran can say, "Don't attack Hezbollah too much in Lebanon, even after a huge attack on the north of Israel, or we may have to respond." It can support a coup in Bahrain and put the new government under its nuclear umbrella. It can do any number of things with the insurance policy underwritten by having or being weeks away from having nuclear weapons.

It was hardly a huge attack. They killed 3 Israeli Soldiers in the initial raid. If that is huge...

@ Invictus: "It's not like they have to choose, Jamiet99uk. Where do you think Saudi Arabia gets its electricity?"

Um, Saudi Arabia is also pursuing a civilian nuclear power programme.

In response to Iran's, which, like Iran's, is cover for achieving the break-out point. It's an alternative option if the deal to buy weapons from Pakistan ends up not being viable or it not being to get the weapons that quickly.


"It was hardly a huge attack. They killed 3 Israeli Soldiers in the initial raid. If that is huge..."

I mean a future attack. Hezbollah is better armed than ever now.

Ok, so we should be worried about some speculated Iranian response to a speculated Hezbollah attack using non-existant nuclear weapons as a negotiation point generated by Iran's speculated nuclear weapons program? Because that doesn't sound particularly scary to me, especially when compared to the current atrocities that Israel is inflicting upon people.

I've consistently said here a nuclear Iran may well be something America can live with. It is not, however, something Israel can. The things you dismiss as speculation is exactly the scenario that worries Israeli policy makers.

You're right. Iran isn't suicidal and won't attack Tel Aviv. But it is an enemy of Israel and will use the leverage nuclear weapons or the ability to quickly produce nuclear weapons to constrain Israeli actions. Ditto for its possible actions in the Gulf, especially Bahrain which it views as an Iranian province stolen by the British. Thinking a nuclear or near-nuclear Iran won't change almsot everything about the Middle East is silly.

Oh no, Isreal (with US backing) will no longer be a regional hegemon! What a horror!

From the Israeli position, yeah.

"it is an enemy of Israel and will use the leverage nuclear weapons or the ability to quickly produce nuclear weapons to constrain Israeli actions."

Good. Israel could use some constraining.

"A country sitting on an ocean of oil needs nuclear power for electricity?"

You've used this line I don't know how many times now, and you refuse to consider that Iran has legitimate energy needs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/14/opinion/14iht-edsahimi_ed3_.html

Israel is no more evil than the United States is. Israel is no more evil than the United Kingdom is, or France, or Germany, or Russia. And it's certainly no more evil than Syria, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia are. You don't have to support Israel or Palestine, but cheering for war against Israel is hypocritical and stupid. If you want peace so badly, you will not fight for peace through means of destruction; instead, you will approach it patiently and allow cooler heads to prevail, which they will in the end. In the mean time, rather than antagonizing one side and apotheosizing the other (whichever pairing you may choose), you will put them both on the same level and agree that they both have the same right to peace and everything else as you do living in a safe and developed nation.

That's directed at a lot of people. Don't take personal offense, just think about it.