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Friendly Sword (636 D)
28 May 09 UTC
People who know they are about to be stabbed but let it happen anyway.
What should be done with these people?

Or is their subsequent misfortune punishment enough?
Captain Dave (113 D)
28 May 09 UTC
Just let me be stabbed...

It's hard enough to go "I'm 95% sure I'm going to be stabbed, but I look the idiot if I'm wrong this once," let alone be ridiculed in this forum!! *sob*
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
28 May 09 UTC
Erm... Their moves are their choice, I'm not sure what your proposing, really.
Friendly Sword (636 D)
28 May 09 UTC
I'm just making fun of myself in a sad, sad way.
jbalcorn (429 D)
28 May 09 UTC
Sometimes, there is a different agenda. For example, perhaps the reason someone is easy to stab is that they became obsessed with eliminating another player. I've seen that happen - once, I was the player being attacked...unmercifully...and without any semblance of sanity...*sob*
figlesquidge (2131 D)
28 May 09 UTC
Each player has their own choice. I know situations where I've been almost certain my ally will stab, but ignored it. There's not always an option. Look at the other side: each player is in for their own good. If they were to confront an ex-ally, it might kill them, whilst hoping not to be stabbed keeps them to one enemy, and may give them time to prevent the attack.
ag7433 (927 D(S))
28 May 09 UTC
They are just a victim of their friendly, optimistic personality. Keep em.
There's also the possibility that they can't prevent the stab. There's also the possibility that even if they try to prevent the stab they will still end up getting defeated. So if faced with

90% chance I get stabbed
If I get stabbed, I have a 25% chance of surviving
If I don't get stabbed and act aggressively towards my ally, he's going to stab me, giving me a 35% chance of surviving.

Or I take the 10% chance I don't get stabbed, and end up with a 2 way draw?

(All numbers are fictiticious, just an example of the possible thought
Akroma (967 D)
28 May 09 UTC
if people know a stab is coming and let it happen to attack someone else instead, then I would first check if there are any hints of multiaccounting.

if there are no such hints, then I would congratulate the stabber for being able to pull this off
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
28 May 09 UTC
The problem is that you get more and more likely to be stabbed the more and more hopeless putting up a fight is... :/
OMGNSO (415 D)
28 May 09 UTC
If you look at DbJ's numbers mathematically you get (This assumes this is the last chance for a successful stab).
If you don't pre-empt
Stabbed-survive 22.5%
Stabbed-die 67.5%
Not stabbed 10%

If you pre-empt the stab (This assume your ally has enough defence to not be weakened by aggressive moves if he did not stab simultaneously)
Pre-empt-survive 35%
Pre-empt-die 65%

Of course you then have to decide what the value of "survive" in the game is which depends on:
WTA v PPSC.
Chances of a stalemate against the stabber.
Size of the drawing alliance.

It is a very interesting question.
Akroma (967 D)
28 May 09 UTC
first, one would have to actually put numerical values on the likeliness of all move combinations that might come at you.

in the end, the "I will probably die" and "My chances are good" are the most accurate things that anyone can come up with
Draugnar (0 DX)
28 May 09 UTC
If you are going for the Ghost-Ratings, PPSC versus WTA is irrelavent, except that you could use the points in PPSC to try and get into bigger and better games.
sceptic_ka (100 D)
28 May 09 UTC
They often do it because the despise someone else more.
In this game: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5137 I as a weak England kept a very strong Italy out of the Atlantic for ages, this allowed his smaller Austrian teammate to grow too big. The stab was obvious but Italy ignored it because he despised me and my "blocking" tricks.
After a lot of fighting, Italy even gave Austria the win. :-(
Although well played Austria, getting your victim to help you win is good diplomacy.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
28 May 09 UTC
22.5% + 10% = 32.5% and that's very near the 35% chance you would survive if you pre-empt the suspected stab. I argue that there's more than a 10% chance of no stab coming your way in most cases so it's probably better not to pre-empt in most cases.

Maybe. interesting question
djbent (2572 D(S))
29 May 09 UTC
@FS - how do you *know* when someone is going to stab you? i would REALLY like to know that!!!! please share the secret with us. =D
Valkyrie (0 DX)
29 May 09 UTC
if i know i'm about to get stabbed, i use my best diplomacy to try and counter it. :)
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
29 May 09 UTC
Draugnar, PPSC versus WTA is just as relevant in Ghost-rating as in points. Ghost-rating uses whichever system phpdiplomacy used.


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Jacob (2711 D)
29 May 09 UTC
Anyone interested in a 5 pt WTA game tonight?
post here if you're interested. I need seven people who would agree to ten minute phases. I want the game to last no more than 3 hours max.
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jasoncollins (186 D)
27 May 09 UTC
Hi, my name is Jason, and...
I'm addicted to diplomacy *hangs head in shame* :)

I suppose work has something to do with it, but seriously, when you are checking for that little message icon every 5-10 minutes on your computer, 'just in case'? Or you can look it up on your phone...
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LanGaidin (1509 D)
29 May 09 UTC
Calling all Airborne:)
Just wanted to remind airborne to unpause our second tournament game. Everyone else is good to go.
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ag7433 (927 D(S))
28 May 09 UTC
New Game: Economics of a Sunk Cost
WTA // 238 pts // 30 hrs
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11184
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
28 May 09 UTC
New game
Winner take all - high stakes
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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
28 May 09 UTC
New Game: When you Play the Game of Thrones...
Please join my new game: PPSC, 50 point buy in, 30 hour turns.
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
25 May 09 UTC
North Korean Nuclear Test
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8066861.stm

What do people think will happen? As the correspondent says, there don't seem to be any options left short of war...
119 replies
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Jacob (2711 D)
27 May 09 UTC
A way to cut down on people going CD
This would require additional features, but here's the idea anyway...

34 replies
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wydend (0 DX)
29 May 09 UTC
new game
need some players. New at this so new players to face would be nice. The game is Bleh-3
6 replies
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Crazy Anglican (1075 D)
28 May 09 UTC
A debate regarding religion's affect upon health
First off: If atheists and Christians endlessly debating their respective views ticks you off, you have my apologies in advance, and please disregard this thread.

23 replies
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KingTigerTank (100 D)
28 May 09 UTC
BUG @(to admin)
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11097 look at my move from spain to marseiles. and spain didn't become my territory afetr the move. though u can see the arrow mark.
7 replies
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Pete U (293 D)
28 May 09 UTC
Meta-gaming
Having moved over from FB Dip, I'm curious to know this communities view on meta gaming
12 replies
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Youngblood (100 D)
28 May 09 UTC
New players
There are two games for new players
1) Novice
2) New players
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New Game called Open to all
I need some players in this 12 hour phase game, who is interested. Its called Open to all.
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DingleberryJones (4469 D(B))
28 May 09 UTC
Two new 105pt WTA Games
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11174
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=11175 GUNBOAT
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Raskolnikov (100 D)
28 May 09 UTC
New Game: Just for the Experience
Intended for newbies like me, a new game--"Just for the Experience"--is now up and looking for players.
0 replies
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Jamiet99uk (1302 D)
14 May 09 UTC
Moderators: A formal complaint.
I would like to make a formal complaint against another user of this site. Can a moderator look at this if you have a policy for dealing with complaints?
382 replies
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Captain Dave (113 D)
28 May 09 UTC
To any Moderator...
See inside please!
3 replies
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Sicarius (673 D)
28 May 09 UTC
sitter needed
until sunday night/monday morning

I'm going to the bash back convergence in chicago
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grandconquerer (0 DX)
28 May 09 UTC
Suspicious Activity?
Can someone take a look at this game please?
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=10691
It seems like something fishy is going on
5 replies
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jbalcorn (429 D)
28 May 09 UTC
CD Hall of Shame
Players who take over CD countries and then go CD again because the country they took over wasn't winning.
8 replies
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kingdavid1093 (100 D)
28 May 09 UTC
new game
new game
The Only Game You Need To Care About
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
28 May 09 UTC
9mm
If you have a game with this player, can you tell him to join his league game please. He should be getting the link soon.
1 reply
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
24 May 09 UTC
Atheists: I need your help
From Richard Dawkins' book "The God Delusion" there is a famous few paragraphs where Dawkins basically lays low the argument for god in a few words.... something about how much better the world would be without God. It's been quoted on this forum before and I'd like to have it for a paper I'm doing anyone know what I'm talking about?
406 replies
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Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
27 May 09 UTC
One year phpdip
Just wanted to say I made it a year here. Turned out to be quite a nice 'hobby' :)
23 replies
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sleepwalkindogs (100 D)
28 May 09 UTC
join my game 'sleepwalkindogs'
i really wanna get this ball rollin' please. let's get this show on the road.
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texasdeluxe (516 D(B))
28 May 09 UTC
Unpause
Hi Mods,

Can we get this game unpaused?
3 replies
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diplomat1824 (0 DX)
28 May 09 UTC
Mods: Quick Question
I recently changed my password and clicked the little "Remember me" box. The weird thing is, it only remembers my old password, which I had also "remember me"d. Any explanation? It's really starting to annoy me.
9 replies
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sleepwalkindogs (100 D)
28 May 09 UTC
need 3 more players for my game 'sleepwalkindogs'
we can't start until someone joins. join!!!
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