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trip (539 D (B))
07 Jul 17 UTC
Lusthog Gunboat
Anyone interested in a few games? 50ish points, 36hr, all the other standard gunboat options. Open to anyone who doesnt have a lot of CDs and resigns.

Lusthog is a gunboat varient where you can't vote to draw until the board stalemates.
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Hellenic Riot (1619 D (G))
11 Jul 17 UTC
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July GR Published
https://sites.google.com/site/phpdiplomacytournaments/theghost-ratingslist
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CommanderByron (858 D (S))
16 Jul 17 UTC
Help.
How do you deal with unprovoked verbal violence in a game. I know it isn't against a site rules. But if I mute a player will it mute them in a game thread?
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ubercacher16 (259 D)
17 Jul 17 UTC
Join?
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=202092

Live, bet 5.
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yavuzovic (630 D)
15 Jul 17 UTC
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Homelands
If i lose my home SCs, and i take different SC's. Can i build?
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trip (539 D (B))
16 Jul 17 UTC
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Mods
Please check your email. Thanks.
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lazynomad (227 D)
15 Jul 17 UTC
Wings: Air Force rules variant for Diplomacy
This diplomacy variant introduces rules for using air force units (wings).
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
15 Jul 17 UTC
Strategy games on regular laptops
I'm laptop shopping and I'm hearing that the new- mid range laptops can't play games, even strategy games, is this true?
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Valis2501 (2232 D (G))
16 Jul 17 UTC
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DNC RIGGED LOSERS FINALS
SHOULDA BEEN HBOX
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faded box (100 D)
15 Jul 17 UTC
Rocket League
Anyone else addicted to this game?
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faded box (100 D)
15 Jul 17 UTC
Live
Live anyone?
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TiconderogaHB (100 D)
15 Jul 17 UTC
Replacement Persia needed
Public Press Only Ancient Mediteranean
gameID=201578
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brainbomb (325 D)
11 Jul 17 UTC
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Webdip Conservatives have convinced me my world view is flawed.
I have decided to become a Republican and a Libertarian because the arguments made on this forum have convinced me the Democrat party is no better than the pro-slavery radicals of the 1860's. I have learned that tax cuts for the wealthy, deportations, and putting business and moneymaking ahead of health of US citizenry is paramount
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umbletheheep (650 D)
15 Jul 17 UTC
New Classic Game Starting in 20min.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=201859
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Valis2501 (2232 D (G))
11 Jul 17 UTC
Donald Trump Jr's emails released.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/11/us/politics/document-Donaldtrumpjr.html?_r=0
brainbomb (325 D)
11 Jul 17 UTC
weird. looks like we found our fall-guy.
Ogion (4208 D)
11 Jul 17 UTC
Not just the fall guy, but rather the lynchpin. Given the other contacts, by the time this is done, I'd be surprised if Mueller didn't have indictments on Trump jr, Manafort, Goldstone, Sessions, Kushner, Flynn and probably Trump Sr. For my money the question is whether Pence was involved.
Fluminator (496 D)
11 Jul 17 UTC
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I heard about this. Is this actually a big deal? I've sort of gotten jaded to most Russian hysteria.
ishirkmywork (1391 D)
11 Jul 17 UTC
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Just a little light treason, flum.
Fluminator (496 D)
11 Jul 17 UTC
So if I read the article I won't be disappointed?
orathaic (1009 D (B))
11 Jul 17 UTC
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@"Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email message or its attachments is prohibited. "

apparently not very effectively prohibited...
brainbomb (325 D)
11 Jul 17 UTC
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SUMMARY

Russian guy: hey Were gonna do some illegal shady shit

Don Jr. Sounds great! I will be transparent and shit once someone finds out
Randomizer (189 D)
11 Jul 17 UTC
Right now congressional investigations are looking into money laundering. Because Trump Sr.loves to use other peoples' money.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/10/opinions/russia-probe-money-laundering-database-opinion-zeldin/index.html
TrPrado (456 D Mod)
12 Jul 17 UTC
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This only shows intention to collude. Not the actual collusion.
ishirkmywork (1391 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
Yes and if the past six months have taught us anything information about the actual collusion will be along shortly. Sit tight.
SantaClausowitz (360 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
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No one that matters cares, no one that matters will care, if anyone gets in legal trouble they will be pardoned and no one will care about that. We've reached a tipping point in our two party democracy where the only party held accountable is on the left.
Ogion (4208 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
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Soliciting the contribution is enough. 52 USC 30121(a)(2).

The intent to collide is sufficient to make the case. The Trump campaign manager arranged to meet with a hostile government to obtain a contribution of intelligence. This is prima facie much much worse than Clinton was even accused of, much less actually did. If it had been the other way around conservatives would be losing their shit. As it is they're totally unfazed by collusion with a foreign government because for them tribe trumps any concern for the country. Really, these people ought to renounce their citizenship.
JamesYanik (548 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
because i'm not a lawyer, what would the charge be against Trump Jr.? specifically i mean, because this has all been sketchy but i'm no legal expert
JamesYanik (548 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
@Ogion

"The woman, as she has said publicly, was not a government official."

so would it work in court?
Ogion (4208 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
Oh, and don't forget conspiracy. Manafort, Kushner, trump and Goldstone all party to the same overt act to further the criminal activity. Even I could win this one.
TrPrado (456 D Mod)
12 Jul 17 UTC
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Ogion:
But you can't get Trump Sr. on this one. Little Donald, Kushner, and Manafort sure.

James:
They were led to believe she did work for the Russian government and those were the grounds on which Little Donald agreed to a meeting, so whether or not she was ceases to matter.
JamesYanik (548 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
ahh that makes more sense
Ogion (4208 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
Up to five years in prison each, just for the underlying counts. Fun!
Ogion (4208 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
Oh that depends entirely on what he knew. If Jr told daddy ahead of time, he is done.
TrPrado (456 D Mod)
12 Jul 17 UTC
Jr claims he didn't even tell Manafort or Kushner who they were meeting, so it's not going to be that easy.
ishirkmywork (1391 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
....he forwarded the email....
Ogion (4208 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
Also, this is just one meeting. On current form I suspect that Trump knew about and possibly solicited the Russian hacking of voter registrations. Also we have confirmation that the campaign knew Russia was actively interfering in the election on Trump's behalf

We are on the edge of a serious constitutional crisis. If there are never any repercussions, we might as well declare the constitution null and void.
TrPrado (456 D Mod)
12 Jul 17 UTC
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But not to his dad. And if he was going to say he never told Kushner or Manafort about who they were meeting despite copying them onto an email, is anyone going to say Trump Sr. who wasn't copied onto any emails had prior knowledge of the meeting?
Ogion (4208 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
Gee, looks like he proved himself a liar already. I am reminded of a story by a law school prof of mine that said the only time he ever felt he had ethical qualms was one time when opposing counsel and client were so stupid is was embarrassingly easy to beat them. Trump has handed Mueller everything he needs for charges, not to mention probable cause to siege alk of his emails from the ISP. No judge will withhold a warrant on any of these guys. If genius Jr sent any mention to Dad, he is done too
Ogion (4208 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
"To seize all of his emails".
JamesYanik (548 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
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now i have another quick question, if a member of the Russian government (or someone who says they are) comes to a campaign and says they have possible criminal information on another party, then it's illegal to have a meeting with them to discuss it?

i mean if the russian government comes to me and says that they have criminal information on a private citizen, i'm going to hear what they have to say. i understand the ethical dilemma in the Trump campaign, but it's not as if Trump Jr said "alright let's use this as a tool or blackmail to destroy Clinton" he simply arranged a meeting.

i looked up @Ogion's code and it only talks about donations and money and items. nothing yet about intelligence

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/30121

i found this transcript by NPR that kind of shows were i'm at:

http://www.npr.org/2017/07/10/536505276/trump-russia-probe-raises-debate-over-whether-collusion-is-criminal


i mean, let's not forget if this is all ILLEGAL, then shouldn't Obama be in prison?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE


i think we can all agree the Trump campaign was stretching their ethical bounds, but legally, i still don't actually see the specific charge. the reaction to a foreign government saying "we have incriminating information on your rival" being "we need to have a meeting to discuss this" is far form an illegal action.

if Russia came to a reporter at the New York Times and said "we have incriminating information on Trump" it'd be an entirely correct response to arrange a meeting.

but... because Trump Jr. is part of a campaign... he is supposed to what? ignore criminal complaints by foreign governments? perhaps a more appropriate response would be to turn it over to the FBI, but he didn't even know the veracity of the claims yet.

furthermore, arranging a meeting is far from making any promises or deals, or any kind of "coordination" between the two governments. in fact, the entire email chain never mentions any future prospects, simply that there's a russian government lawyer who has potential criminal information on Clinton.

so i think i need to ask his again, what is the specific legal charge you're bringing them to court on?
JamesYanik (548 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
i'm sorry that i have to be the one guy in the room asking this, but it's a serious inquiry. this is potentially the future of the USA in balance right now and i don't want to have an disillusionments
ishirkmywork (1391 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
It is illiberal to accept money items or "anything of value" such as intelligence. It is also illegal to solicit this stuff even if you don't use it. This happened to al gores campaign in 2000 when somebody dropped a video of W debate practice... and Al Gores campaign promptly contacted the FBI.
ishirkmywork (1391 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
*illegal.
JamesYanik (548 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
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@ishrikmywork

well the Trump campaign has been ethically compromised since day 1, i'll never argue to the contrary on that front, but is this illegal?

arranging a meeting could simply be to look at the veracity of the information before seeing whether or not to get the DOJ or FBI involved. as it turns out it was the right choice not to get them involved, because the claims turned out to have zero backing. i'm still uncertain as to exactly whether or not this is fully criminal.

there's also the matter of them not being certain this was actually a Russian official, as they had no actual confirmation for this.

it seems like Trump Jr.'s simple arranging of a meeting is to vague an action to be direct collusion, as it could be for various different reasons.

also, i'm still unclear as to why if this is entirely illegal, Obama hasn't been charged with what he said
Fluminator (496 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
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I read the articles and I don't care. Doesn't seem like that big a deal. If Trump jr. was offering favours for info I'd change my tune.
Fluminator (496 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
Guys, there are so many more interesting conspiracies out there than Russia is evil and behind everything in the US election. Out of all the conspiracies out there I'm suprised this is the most popular one.
Hauta (1618 D (S))
12 Jul 17 UTC
It's not about the election nearly as much as it is about the ongoing blackmail. What if Russia blackmailed Flynn (while he was NSA director) into giving the Russians information on American spies inside of Russia?
JamesYanik (548 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
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i actually agree with you guys here. if this is the WORST thing russia did with the Trump campaign (which turned out not to even be a member of the russian government) then that's not much

if there's a deeper connection to Flynn, we need to try to find THAT
ishirkmywork (1391 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
i don't understand how you can not care -- well actually i do understand -- feelings like that are why trump is president and shredding the constitution at the moment.
Ogion (4208 D)
14 Jul 17 UTC
"If" Hauta?

I'm sure every source we have in russia is desperately trying to get out, because it is pretty damned sure the US government is compromised at the highest level. The Us leaks like a sieve and I can't imagine anyone would be dumb enough to work with US intelligence
Ogion (4208 D)
14 Jul 17 UTC
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Particularly since it now appears there was a FsB/KGB agent at the meeting

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/07/14/this-nbc-news-scoop-is-another-big-blow-to-the-trump-camps-russia-spin/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.f903d504a0bf

So, Trump was willing to cut a deal with the KGB for help with the campaign. I'm sure those guys just wanted flowers on Valentine's Day in return

Meanwhile the fake "patriots" on the right are no doubt applauding the move. Let's face it, these Conservative hate America.
Hauta (1618 D (S))
15 Jul 17 UTC
Then-candidate Trump was probably there too. Lewandowski just got caught misinforming people that DJT was on his way to Florida for a campaign stop. He wasn't. He was in Trump Tower at the time.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/jul/14/corey-lewandowski/lewandowski-wrongly-says-trump-florida-day-trump-t/


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brainbomb (325 D)
13 Jul 17 UTC
Texas law allows open carry of Swords
Starting in September, finally - true American potential is acheived. We can now carry swords into work/battle/recess/village inn ect. https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/11/texas-law-will-allow-open-carry-knives-swords.amp.html
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swordsman3003 (13762 D (G))
10 Jul 17 UTC
Top gunboaters game
Could we get enough interest to get a game going? I want only to invite players ranked in the top 50 (ghostratings or points).
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Smokey Gem (184 D)
10 Jul 17 UTC
Users: Logged on:75 - Playing:1712 - Registered:87165
Are there really 87165 registere players ..and 77000 odd games completed. That leave 1712 playing currently in so Im no accountant but those numbers seem a bit out of whack..

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Hauta (1618 D (S))
12 Jul 17 UTC
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It is always darkest before the dawn
Given the Don Jr. revelations, this might seem like a bleak time for the Republicans, but if they can wait out the media coverage without breaking rank they will be have saved Trump. There is no larger shoe yet to drop and it will be morning in America again.
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Hellenic Riot (1619 D (G))
13 Jul 17 UTC
Replacement Russia Needed
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Jamiet99uk (437 D)
13 Jul 17 UTC
China has a TELEPORTER
This is fascinating news:

http://time.com/4854718/quantum-entanglement-teleport-space/
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brainbomb (325 D)
05 Jul 17 UTC
Why shouldnt North Dakota have a nuclear weapons programme?
The US has nuclear weapons. We got silos and shit all over Montana/ND and SD. Who are we to say that North Dakota is not entitled to secede and have their own nuclear arsenal?
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JamesYanik (548 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
Digital forums and free speech
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40577858

i think we all understand the implications of this: twitter is a digital forum open to the public, but it's also privately operated and it has set rules. the decision on this case is going to have sweeping effects on the internet and internal law alike
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LeonWalras (409 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
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Webdip Conservatives have convinced me my world is flawed.
I had always suspected it might be.
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michael_b (192 D)
12 Jul 17 UTC
Board Pieces World Diplomacy 2017
See Reply
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Jamiet99uk (437 D)
09 Jul 17 UTC
IndyCar and Nascar vs F1 and Touring Car
Why are American motor racing events based on going around and around and around an oval circuit with no difficult turns or chicanes or anything? So boring.
5 replies
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Marneus_Calgar (0 D X)
01 Jul 17 UTC
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Diplomacy Survival Game!
Each person may non-consecutively take one point from one nation to another.
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Carebear (100 D)
01 Jul 17 UTC
WDC 2017 in Oxford
Just curious, which webDiplomacy regulars will be going to WDC?
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Jamiet99uk (437 D)
04 Jul 17 UTC
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Why shouldn't North Korea have a nuclear weapons programme?
The US has nuclear weapons. The UK does. France does. China does. Russia does. Israel probably does. India and Pakistan might also.

Who are we to say that North Korea is not similarly entitled?
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Jamiet99uk (437 D)
09 Jul 17 UTC
Right-wing twit shoots himself while protesting non-existent event
This is too funny:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/a-guy-accidentally-shot-himself-after-a-fake-news-story?utm_term=.njLwQbNKZ#.eqGX3AoMy
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