2ndWhiteLine

Profile Information

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  • "Former admin.


    2nd Place in the 2015 Boroughs Diplomacy Tournament (https://sites.google.com/site/boroughsdiplomacy/the-boroughs-2015)

    15th overall at 2016 WDC Chicago

    "I've actually met 2WL- he's a super nice guy. The kind who would lend you the shirt off their back." - A_Tin_Can"


  • Last visited: 17 Mar 20 UTC
  • Joined: 05 Aug 11 UTC

  • Donator: (B) - Bronze


Ranking Info Help

    Points D:
  • Available: 3,375
  • In play: 0
  • Total: 3,375
  • Ghost Rating Overall:
  • Rating: 203
  • Peak: 320
  • Position: 671
  • Ghost Rating Gunboat:
  • Rating: 154
  • Peak: 223
  • Position: 104
  • Ghost Rating Live:
  • Rating: 259
  • Peak: 272
  • Position: 42
  • Ghost Rating Full Press:
  • Rating: 73
  • Peak: 131
  • Position: 27,504


Game Stats
  • All Game stats:
  • Game messages: 6,245

  • Won: 40 ( 8% )
  • Drawn: 204 ( 40% )
  • Survived: 81 ( 16% )
  • Defeated: 175 ( 35% )
  • Resigned: 4 ( 1% )
  • Total (finished): 504

  • Civil disorder: 13
  • Civil disorders taken over: 7
  • Classic:
  • Won: 34 ( 7% )
  • Drawn: 198 ( 41% )
  • Survived: 75 ( 16% )
  • Defeated: 167 ( 35% )
  • Resigned: 4 ( 1% )
  • Total (finished): 478
  • Classic Press:
  • Won: 6 ( 9% )
  • Drawn: 26 ( 39% )
  • Survived: 8 ( 12% )
  • Defeated: 26 ( 39% )
  • Total (finished): 66
  • Classic Gunboat:
  • Won: 28 ( 7% )
  • Drawn: 170 ( 42% )
  • Survived: 67 ( 16% )
  • Defeated: 140 ( 34% )
  • Resigned: 4 ( 1% )
  • Total (finished): 409
  • Classic Ranked:
  • Won: 34 ( 7% )
  • Drawn: 198 ( 41% )
  • Survived: 75 ( 16% )
  • Defeated: 167 ( 35% )
  • Resigned: 4 ( 1% )
  • Total (finished): 478
  • Variant stats:
  • Won: 6 ( 23% )
  • Drawn: 6 ( 23% )
  • Survived: 6 ( 23% )
  • Defeated: 8 ( 31% )
  • Total (finished): 26


Reliability Rating: 100%

Reliability Explained:

What is Reliability?

Reliability is how consistently you avoid interrupting games. Any un-excused missed turns hurt your rating. If you have any un-excused missed turns in the last 4 weeks you will receive an 11% penalty to your RR for each of those delays. It is very important to everyone you are playing with to be reliable but we understand mistakes happen so this extra penalty will drop to 5% after 28 days. All of the un-excused missed turns that negatively impact your rating are highlighted in red below. Excused delays will only negatively impact your base score, seen below. Mod excused delays do not hurt your score in any way.

Live Game: If a game had phases 60 minutes long or less any excused missed turns will only impact your rating for 28 days total. The penalty is the same, 5% long term and 6% short term, except the long term penalty is for 28 days and the short term is for 7 days.
System Excused: If you had an "excused missed turn" left this will be yes and will not cause additional penalties against your rating.
Mod Excused: If a moderator excused the missed turn this field will be yes and will not cause additional penalties against your rating.
Same Period Excused: If you have multiple un-excused missed turns in a 24 hour period you are only penalized once with the exception of live games, if this field is yes it will not cause additional penalties against your rating.

What happens if my rating is low?

Many games are made with a minimum rating requirement so this may impact the quality of games you can enter. If you have more then 3 non-live un-excused missed turns in a year you will begin getting temporarily banned from making new games, joining existing games, or rejoining your own games.

  • 1-3 un-excused delays: warnings
  • 4 un-excused delays: 1-day temp ban
  • 5 un-excused delays: 3-day temp ban
  • 6 un-excused delays: 7-day temp ban
  • 7 un-excused delays: 14-day temp ban
  • 8 un-excused delays: 30-day temp ban
  • 9 or more un-excused delays: infinite, must contact mods for removal
  • Live game excused turns are penalized independently for temporary bans. 1-2 un-excused missed turns in live games will be a warning, and the 3rd, and any after that will result in a 24 hour temp ban. The 2 warnings reset every 28 days resulting in significantly more yearly warnings for live game players then the normal system.

    Factors Impacting RR:


    Base Percentage: 100%
    (100* (1 - Yearly Missed Turns/Yearly Turns))

    Added Penalties:

    Yearly Unexcused Missed Turns: 0 for a penalty of 0%
    Recent Unexcused Missed Turns: 0 for a penalty of 0%

    Total:

    Reliability Rating: 100%


    Ghost Rating Overall Trending

    2ndWhiteLine's games

    Showing results 1 to 20 of 504 total results.

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    Finished: 04 PM Mon 15 Apr 19 UTC
    Private 2018 GBT Finals - Game 11
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1923, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Germany
    Wusti (1683 D)
    Drawn. 16 supply-centers, 16 units
    Italy
    Nikola Maric Eto (24945 D)
    Drawn. 11 supply-centers, 11 units
    Turkey
    Bob Al Hubob (1191 D)
    Drawn. 7 supply-centers, 7 units
    England
    genghiz (13352 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    France
    bozotheclown (2500 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Austria
    Tantrum (4185 D (B))
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Russia
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Civil Disorders
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))Russia (Spring, 1911) with 4 centres.
    Finished: 10 PM Thu 24 Jan 19 UTC
    Private 2018 GBT Finals - Game 7
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by xorxes (30127 D)
    Turkey
    xorxes (30127 D)
    Won. 18 supply-centers, 16 units
    France
    goldfinger0303 (3150 D Mod)
    Survived. 7 supply-centers, 7 units
    Germany
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Survived. 7 supply-centers, 7 units
    England
    Tantrum (4185 D (B))
    Survived. 1 supply-centers, 1 units
    Russia
    Kench (1241 D)
    Survived. 1 supply-centers, 2 units
    Italy
    Wusti (1683 D)
    Survived. 0 supply-centers, 1 units
    Austria
    Nikola Maric Eto (24945 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Finished: 10 PM Sat 02 Mar 19 UTC
    Private 2018 GBT Finals - Game 6
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1919, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    France
    xorxes (30127 D)
    Drawn. 17 supply-centers, 17 units
    Italy
    Drawn. 17 supply-centers, 17 units
    England
    Kench (1241 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Germany
    bozotheclown (2500 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Austria
    genghiz (13352 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Turkey
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Russia
    Tom Bombadil (4013 D (G))
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Civil Disorders
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))Turkey (Spring, 1910) with 2 centres.
    Finished: 05 PM Sat 02 Feb 19 UTC
    Private 2018 GBT Finals - Game 5
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by genghiz (13352 D)
    Germany
    genghiz (13352 D)
    Won. 18 supply-centers, 16 units
    Austria
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Survived. 8 supply-centers, 8 units
    Russia
    xorxes (30127 D)
    Survived. 3 supply-centers, 3 units
    England
    Javatiger (2932 D)
    Survived. 2 supply-centers, 3 units
    Turkey
    bozotheclown (2500 D)
    Survived. 2 supply-centers, 2 units
    Italy
    Kench (1241 D)
    Survived. 1 supply-centers, 1 units
    France
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Finished: 12 PM Tue 12 Feb 19 UTC
    Private 2018 GBT Finals - Game 1
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1911, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by Tantrum (4185 D (B))
    France
    Tantrum (4185 D (B))
    Won. 19 supply-centers, 15 units
    Turkey
    Survived. 7 supply-centers, 7 units
    Russia
    dagabs0 (23267 D)
    Survived. 3 supply-centers, 3 units
    Italy
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Resigned. 5 supply-centers, 4 units
    England
    bozotheclown (2500 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Germany
    Tom Bombadil (4013 D (G))
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Austria
    Kench (1241 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Civil Disorders
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))Italy (Autumn, 1910) with 7 centres.
    Finished: 03 AM Mon 13 Aug 18 UTC
    Private 2018 GBT - R1G92
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1914, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Italy
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Drawn. 16 supply-centers, 16 units
    England
    ThatCrazyGuy (511 D)
    Drawn. 7 supply-centers, 6 units
    France
    acamer4 (1022 D)
    Drawn. 6 supply-centers, 6 units
    Germany
    yellowfin (143 D)
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 4 units
    Austria
    DrCJG (1228 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Turkey
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Russia
    R3dox (261 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Finished: 04 AM Sun 16 Sep 18 UTC
    Private 2018 GBT - R1G81
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1917, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    England
    Tom Bombadil (4013 D (G))
    Drawn. 15 supply-centers, 15 units
    Russia
    AlexNesta (239 D)
    Drawn. 8 supply-centers, 7 units
    Italy
    naked (4955 D)
    Drawn. 6 supply-centers, 6 units
    Austria
    Heffomite (267 D)
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    France
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Germany
    Flashy (176 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Turkey
    stevenroose (150 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0 D
    Civil Disorders
    Flashy (176 D)Germany (Spring, 1916) with 2 centres.
    brandon1211 (0 D X)Turkey (Autumn, 1904) with 2 centres.
    stevenroose (150 D)Turkey (Autumn, 1906) with 0 centres.
    Finished: 11 PM Sat 01 Sep 18 UTC
    Private 2018 GBT - R1G76
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1921, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    France
    trip (696 D (B))
    Drawn. 17 supply-centers, 16 units
    Turkey
    josemurc (29855 D)
    Drawn. 8 supply-centers, 8 units
    Italy
    Twinky (100 D)
    Drawn. 7 supply-centers, 7 units
    England
    Thechosen41 (3119 D)
    Drawn. 2 supply-centers, 2 units
    Germany
    Calmar (620 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Austria
    CCR (526 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Russia
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Civil Disorders
    Caslamar (100 D)England (Spring, 1901) with 3 centres.
    Finished: 12 AM Sun 21 Oct 18 UTC
    Private 2018 GBT - R1G62
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1919, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by 2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Turkey
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Won. 19 supply-centers, 17 units
    France
    robodirge (615 D)
    Survived. 5 supply-centers, 4 units
    Russia
    Cmdr Shears (1201 D)
    Survived. 3 supply-centers, 3 units
    Germany
    Doug7878 (772 D (G))
    Survived. 1 supply-centers, 1 units
    Austria
    michaelf77 (432 D)
    Survived. 1 supply-centers, 1 units
    England
    flokde (116 D)
    Resigned. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    Italy
    ericthefin1 (277 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Civil Disorders
    glo2018 (1304 D)Germany (Spring, 1914) with 4 centres.
    flokde (116 D)England (Autumn, 1919) with 5 centres.
    Finished: 03 PM Mon 30 Jul 18 UTC
    Private 2018 GBT - R1G60
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1920, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Turkey
    curupira (3481 D)
    Drawn. 14 supply-centers, 14 units
    Germany
    NoFog (9073 D)
    Drawn. 11 supply-centers, 11 units
    England
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Drawn. 9 supply-centers, 9 units
    France
    J Longstreet (102 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Italy
    Drisserdriss (208 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Austria
    bozotheclown (2500 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Russia
    thamrick (927 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Finished: 04 AM Mon 06 Aug 18 UTC
    Private 2018 GBT - R1G45
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by 2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Germany
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Won. 18 supply-centers, 14 units
    Italy
    ChippeRock (2564 D)
    Survived. 4 supply-centers, 4 units
    Turkey
    Roadhog (214 D (G))
    Survived. 4 supply-centers, 4 units
    France
    bo_sox48 (4899 D Mod (G))
    Survived. 3 supply-centers, 3 units
    Austria
    Foxcastle (100 D)
    Survived. 3 supply-centers, 2 units
    Russia
    Tonsvikingen (293 D)
    Survived. 2 supply-centers, 2 units
    England
    Espi (338 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0 D
    Civil Disorders
    manceyy (131 D)England (Autumn, 1902) with 4 centres.
    Ewreck (166 D)Italy (Autumn, 1903) with 4 centres.
    Finished: 07 AM Sat 07 Jul 18 UTC
    Private 2018 GBT - R1G35
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1915, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Turkey
    svenubl (3350 D)
    Drawn. 16 supply-centers, 16 units
    Italy
    Ogion (3934 D)
    Drawn. 9 supply-centers, 9 units
    Germany
    Leonidas (635 D)
    Drawn. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    England
    TimKB (107 D)
    Drawn. 4 supply-centers, 4 units
    France
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Austria
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Russia
    Claesar (4656 D Mod)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Finished: 03 PM Fri 24 Aug 18 UTC
    gunboatt-3
    2 days /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1917, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Turkey
    fadgyasb (205 D)
    Drawn. 12 supply-centers, 12 units
    England
    RoganJosh (3242 D (S))
    Drawn. 11 supply-centers, 11 units
    Germany
    Drawn. 6 supply-centers, 6 units
    France
    Il Principe (410 D)
    Drawn. 3 supply-centers, 3 units
    Russia
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Drawn. 2 supply-centers, 2 units
    Italy
    rondo (100 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Austria
    HiungNu (100 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Civil Disorders
    elirlandes (100 D)England (Autumn, 1902) with 3 centres.
    MattMan243 (100 D)Turkey (Spring, 1911) with 7 centres.
    Finished: 05 AM Fri 25 May 18 UTC
    Gunboat 101-5
    1 day /phase
    Pot: 707 D - Autumn, 1913, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by Tugster (13048 D)
    France
    Tugster (13048 D)
    Won. 18 supply-centers, 16 units
    Italy
    czechveck (511 D)
    Survived. 12 supply-centers, 12 units
    Russia
    xorxes (30127 D)
    Survived. 4 supply-centers, 4 units
    England
    sweetwatersam (5909 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 101 D
    Germany
    Garagenpunk (568 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 101 D
    Austria
    ag7433 (1987 D (S))
    Defeated. Bet: 101 D
    Turkey
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Defeated. Bet: 101 D
    Finished: 06 AM Tue 08 May 18 UTC
    Featured FastGunboat
    12 hours /phase
    Pot: 1001 D - Autumn, 1915, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by CptMike (4384 D)
    Germany
    CptMike (4384 D)
    Won. 18 supply-centers, 16 units
    France
    Survived. 6 supply-centers, 6 units
    Austria
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Survived. 4 supply-centers, 5 units
    Turkey
    jengamaster (2083 D)
    Survived. 4 supply-centers, 4 units
    Italy
    xorxes (30127 D)
    Survived. 2 supply-centers, 2 units
    England
    Claesar (4656 D Mod)
    Defeated. Bet: 143 D
    Russia
    swordsman3003 (13081 D (G))
    Defeated. Bet: 143 D
    Finished: 03 PM Fri 01 Jun 18 UTC
    Bits and Bytes 101
    1 day /phase
    Pot: 707 D - Autumn, 1916, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Italy
    Lord Bolton (583 D)
    Drawn. 16 supply-centers, 17 units
    England
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Drawn. 8 supply-centers, 6 units
    France
    The Czech (42241 D (S))
    Drawn. 6 supply-centers, 7 units
    Russia
    Tugster (13048 D)
    Drawn. 4 supply-centers, 4 units
    Germany
    Aussieronaldo (502 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 101 D
    Austria
    jengamaster (2083 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 101 D
    Turkey
    Ogion (3934 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 101 D
    Finished: 10 AM Thu 19 Apr 18 UTC
    Featured FastBoat-5
    12 hours /phase
    Pot: 777 D - Autumn, 1912, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by jengamaster (2083 D)
    France
    jengamaster (2083 D)
    Won. 18 supply-centers, 17 units
    Austria
    xorxes (30127 D)
    Survived. 6 supply-centers, 6 units
    Russia
    Javatiger (2932 D)
    Survived. 5 supply-centers, 5 units
    Turkey
    CptMike (4384 D)
    Survived. 3 supply-centers, 3 units
    Italy
    Claesar (4656 D Mod)
    Survived. 2 supply-centers, 2 units
    England
    genghiz (13352 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 111 D
    Germany
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Defeated. Bet: 111 D
    Finished: 02 AM Fri 20 Apr 18 UTC
    Featured FastBoat-3
    12 hours /phase
    Pot: 777 D - Spring, 1911, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game drawn
    Austria
    jengamaster (2083 D)
    Drawn. 16 supply-centers, 16 units
    France
    CptMike (4384 D)
    Drawn. 9 supply-centers, 9 units
    Germany
    Claesar (4656 D Mod)
    Drawn. 9 supply-centers, 8 units
    England
    xorxes (30127 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 111 D
    Italy
    genghiz (13352 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 111 D
    Turkey
    Javatiger (2932 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 111 D
    Russia
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Defeated. Bet: 111 D
    Finished: 08 AM Fri 11 May 18 UTC
    Gunboat-763
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 140 D - Autumn, 1908, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by nmpolo (2086 D)
    Austria
    nmpolo (2086 D)
    Won. 18 supply-centers, 17 units
    Germany
    dipperjay (1965 D (G))
    Survived. 7 supply-centers, 7 units
    France
    King John (155 D)
    Survived. 6 supply-centers, 6 units
    Russia
    Kubrick (685 D)
    Survived. 2 supply-centers, 2 units
    England
    Frickin'Zeus (100 D)
    Survived. 1 supply-centers, 1 units
    Italy
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Defeated. Bet: 20 D
    Turkey
    Sploack (175 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 0 D
    Civil Disorders
    THEMARSHMELLOW (100 D)Turkey (Autumn, 1903) with 1 centres.
    Finished: 06 PM Thu 03 May 18 UTC
    Claesar Classic Gunboat Special Redux
    1 day, 12 hours /phase
    Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1913, Finished
    Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
    1 excused missed turn
    Game won by BismarckAlive (1038 D)
    Turkey
    BismarckAlive (1038 D)
    Won. 18 supply-centers, 15 units
    England
    2ndWhiteLine (3375 D (B))
    Survived. 14 supply-centers, 14 units
    France
    Survived. 1 supply-centers, 1 units
    Russia
    Survived. 1 supply-centers, 2 units
    Italy
    Claesar (4656 D Mod)
    Survived. 0 supply-centers, 1 units
    Germany
    cb6000 (100 D (S))
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D
    Austria
    Aereaux (189 D)
    Defeated. Bet: 5 D

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