Well it's really simple, you just have to avoid repeating your claim after it's been thoroughly refuted with incontrovertible proof as though it were never addressed in the first place. I'm sure I could make the standard higher, but at least half of them fail that simple litmus test, so we'll start there.

It helps if your views aren't "LOL DAD/MOM/FOXNEWS SAID SO" but I don't want to wipe out the other half

My dad tried to argue against homosexuality by saying "GOD SAYS SO" which is kind of the same...

If you're so good at politics why does your candidate always lose the elections
trollololol

Most people suck at politics. It's why democray doesn't really work.

^I've just been outtrolled by Octavious.

My dad claims that he judges each politician on their own merits and not by political affiliation because really, there's no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans, all politicians are really the same. This enables him to vote in a truly unbiased fashion about everything.

Every election, straight party Republican. Every time that he claims his complete nonbiasedness, my brain hurts a little harder.

Oh, and while both parties are the same, really, it's the Democrats that PURELY BY COINCIDENCE run all the slimy candidates. In his mind.

Humans are irrational.

At least your families are interested in politics. Mine wouldn't touch it with a light-year long pole.

There's a candidate slimier than Romney?

Obviously Obama. Obviously.

Well, he is a socialist. :P

@Sacred Digit So your father must be the same as my father in law. It hurts to hear him talk politics.
@Onar Well Newt Gingrich is pretty slimey. He claimed he cheated on his wives because he loved America so much that the pressure of serving his country forced him to cheat. And he's the family values candidate.

Being a European I think of Gingrich and Santorum more as election trolls than candidates would that be a correct assessment
trollololol

I would agree but they could actually get a nomination of some sort. It's a very scary prospect for some of us.

Being so far from the US, amusement and mild fear fight for prominence when following the news and seeing these guys

I think Santorum scares me more cause he's such a bible thumper when it comes to social issues. I like my freedoms and as a women I get scared when a person running for office want to take away basic things like contraceptives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVxDNJ6RZQw&feature=relmfu

Fox news lol

I guess here you find part of the answer to PE's question. Occupy Fox news

My dad still thinks that moral decay caused laziness, laziness caused unemployment, and unemployment caused the '07 crash.

My Stepbrother's Father introduced himself by asking me, "Did you know our President is a Muslim Terrorist?"

*facepalms* Oh ouch. That gives me a migraine just thinking about people like that. At least my father in law is normally rational. He just listens to whatever Fox News says.

"At least my father in law is normally rational. He just listens to whatever Fox News says."
I'm sorry, these two things don't go hand in hand...

Well he tries to rationalize things out for everything. So is pretty good about everything but finance (for some reason he votes like he's in the 1%) and religion. Blows me and my husband mind.

lol 1%
Well.. Good luck with the man! ;-)

well, it makes him feel like he's in the fortunate 1%, why not.

I love my parents' view on politics. My mother is a hardcore socialist who used to be a leninist, but she has softened more into a social democrat without thoughts of bloody revolution. When she was young, she used to occupy buildings, smoke hashish with syndicalists and make plans for post-revolutionary society. My father's a bitter old man who thinks that any form of authority will try to use you up and spit you out. He's to the left too, and I think he would have been an anarchist if he wasn't too bitter to believe in progress and people.

And you?

who is fox news is he new is he bolshois multi

no bloshio is fox news' multi. not the other way round.
and u can't ban fox news.

My Grandma is a liberal...
My Dad is practically a libertarian...
Both of my brothers are third partyers...
It drives me crazy.

Vaftrudner, that's a great story. I think you have the American stories beat. They're all the same anyway. "fox news blah blah blah"

Gobbledydook, I'm a reform socialist, I identify most with the Green Party here in Sweden, they don't really take a stance right or left on the economic scale, they favour a mixed economy according to the Nordic model, but they're progressive and very strong when it comes to issues like feminism, LGBT rights and animal rights. And of course the environment. Economic issues are not that important to me because here in Sweden, our economy doesn't suck. We're horrible godless commie socialist satanists who haven't let corporate greed run amok. The welfare state does have problems, but despite the very high taxes here, we still have tons of innovation and enterprise, I mean, IKEA, Volvo, etc. Outsourcing is combatted by pumping tax money into public education, all schooling including university is free here, and a lot of companies choose to stay in the country despite the expensive labour, because the work force is educated and creative. We'll see how the system copes with increasing globalisation, I don't have any answers and it's not my area of expertise, but it will be interesting.

And yes dubmdell, American politics are extremely dull to me, because from my perspective, Republican and Democrats are basically the same thing, one slightly more right than the other. It's bizarre to me that Obama is to the left over there. He would be firmly in the centre-right over here.

"It's bizarre to me that Obama is to the left over there. He would be firmly in the centre-right over here."

Oh, he is firmly center-right in America too, only he goes by the name Romney.

My dad still consistently expresses his archaic views that torture should still be used in the justice system.

Sweden is awesome. Wish I had dual citizenship with it instead of just USA. That, or maybe Swiss. But you can't get Swiss and I don't think Swedish is that easy to get either. Plus I would need a better reason than "the USA sucks right now so I want citizenship of another country to be safe".

Diplomat, come over. We have very liberal immigration laws. In fact, over 10% of our population is foreign born. I'm very proud of the fact that refugees are a large quota of our immigration. We've accepted over 100'000 Iraqi refugees since the US invaded them for example, with a population of 9 million. In the 90s we accepted many immigrants from the Balkans. Not that this is without problems. Malmö, for example, has become somewhat divided with some ghettoification due to lack of opportunity for immigrants, and there have been incidents of anti-semitism. Refugees are also over-representated in crime and unemployment. But it's nowhere near the situation in France. The muslim population is somewhere around 5% or less, we don't keep official statistics on religion but it's around there somewhere, and this scares the shit out of some people. Last election we actually got an islamophobic party in the government, with 6% of the votes, which sickens me. But immigration on this scale is never smooth. I believe that it's worth it, because solidarity has to cross borders. The western world needs to take responsibility for the crimes of colonisation and imperialism, and if this means offering a better life for refugees through immigration, it's the right thing to do.