I enjoyed playing with everyone, especially Turkey, Italy, Germany, and England. I never could figure out why France didn't communicate more, or why Austria was so unreliable and wishy-washy, but they were both good sports about being ganged up on. I'd play with any of you guys again. Thanks for the great game—my first-ever GR Challenge game.

Oh, this is gameID=50247, for those of you not in it. Sorry…should have put that in the original post.

I will have mine up in a bit

Same with me. It may take me about a week, but I will post it.

My god, I've been writing it for two and a half hours. Its still not as complete as I'd like it, but its terribly long. My apologies.

1901
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I draw Germany. Not my best country by far, but I love getting one of the central powers and usually the game is most fun when I do draw them. It should be an interesting game, my first GR game. Austria immediately contacts me and wants to do a central triple. I contact Italy before replying to him and feel the Italian out on the offer. He seems to like it, and I tell Austria that I’m in, and suggest a Key Lepanto to try and cover up the triple. England is the second one to contact me, tells me France is quiet, and wants to work things out. Knowing about the triple, and that Turkey wants to fight Russia (got that from Austria) I invite England into Belgium, hoping to foment a fight between him and France, and tell him I wanted Sweden. Italy then tells me that he’s moving west at Austria’s behest. I puzzle about it, but frankly don’t care much. In fact, I only joined their idea of the triple because (I thought) it couldn’t harm Germany to be part of it. I could easily deny being in the triple, playing it as an A/I alliance, and I had all the intention on reneging my promise if a better offer came up. I even told Italy that I wasn’t too committed to it. And something better did come up. France and England proposed a Western Triple to me (I was so popular lol). France seemed genuine about it, and England was skeptical. I myself thought that this would create an Eastern Triple in response, and I would be on the front lines of the war, and tried to be noncommittal (hindsight, bad move). I was also thinking long term and realized – and told both of them – that I would probably be the easiest one to stab in the end game, and then flat out told them no. England didn’t mind much, and France wanted to work things out. Russia talked to me and we agreed to DMZ and give him Sweden. Still spring, France threatens and E/F alliance if I don’t join the triple, and England is pretty nonchalant and tells me to lie to France just to keep him satisfied. I planned the bounce in Bur with France. In the fall, I see Italy in Piedmont, and suggest to England to bounce France out of Belgium, keeping France to one build. At the same time I talk to Austria and Turkey, telling them ways that I see can keep Russia to no builds, since I was going to bounce him in Sweden. Russia sees an E/G alliance forming, and tells me that he will be on my side if E/F stabs me. France tells me that England says I’m not committed to the triple (though neither was he) but he wasn’t concerned about it. Turkey tells me that talks between him and Austria are promising, but France is worried about a possible Central Triple. Great, autumn 1901 and everybody already thinks that there was a central triple (mind you I, again, was not terribly committed to it). I try and tell France I am committed to the Triple, telling him I will bounce Russia to show my commitment. England seems ready to move into France, and we are already talking about the division of SC’s. I am generous to him and say he can take Brest, Spain, Portugal, and Belgium. He too tells me that he’s worried about the Central Triple (where are they hearing this from! The moves don’t show it yet) and I try to ease him too. England at this point is my most serious candidate for an ally. Turkey tells me he has worked a plan out with Austria against Russia. Italy says he will hit Marseille. I decide to bounce Russia in Sweden, and move to Burgundy. If all works out, then my two biggest enemies, Russia and France, will be crippled and ready to either die soon, or submit to a favorable peace treaty. In autumn, there’s the unexpected bounce in Burgundy, and the odd Russian-Turkish moves.
1902
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I immediately sound the word among all the powers about the Jugg, and try to get some forces mobilized. Austria sounds pissed at R/T, Italy agrees that it’s a Jugg and says everything is cool with him and Austria. I yell at Turkey for lying to me when there was no reason to. It’s my firm belief that if they are not your neighbor in 1901 tell them the absolute, god-honest truth for the first year. Still, I keep channels open with all countries. Turkey says he’s worried about the CT, England says he’s okay with a F Berlin build, and I’m a little confident that we’ll crush Russia first, and worry about the Turk at a later point. I was under the impression England, Austria and I would unite against him and overwhelm him. Russia again lays out the line that he will help against an E/F alliance. England and I try not to alienate France with our builds, and still try to keep the idea of a WT up in the air. I am suspicious about England despite everything he says, and try to court France to be on my side in a fight I see coming. To gain his trust, I tell France the exact moves I plan on doing. At the same time, I try to court Russia, surrounding myself with allies against the English attack I feel coming (because he didn’t build a fleet in London or Liverpool). I still want Sweden, so throw it up to the Russian that I’d move to Ska and let him have Norway, while I move a fleet into Sweden. I am scared shitless though, because I see an E/F alliance coming at me. I tell Italy to move east, and feed France all of his moves to try and get on his good side. Even I could not predict what would happen though. Somehow everyone knew about the central Triple, and formed a Jugg and E/F to counter it, AND turned Italy on me, moving into Tyrolia. It looked pretty hopeless to me. All my best efforts, and every one of my neighbors stabbed me. I begin spewing out press even more than before, trying to get anyone onto my side. I’m pissed at France, because I showed him the most kindness, and he attacked me. I saw the English stab coming, as well as the Russian attack, but it was the French that killed me. On top of that, at this point France stopped answering my messages! Now I learn that its Austria’s fault the alliance against the Central Triple was formed, but Russia is very nice to me. He starts feeding me some of the English plans (but it turns out, not all of them) and talks to me more than everyone else combined. Turkey tosses around the idea of stabbing Russia, but, despite my pleas won’t do anything. I announce globally that I will invite one power into my SC’s. I hoped that, in the rush for the spoils of war, they might start fighting each other and I could work myself into a draw. Russia feeds me a plan for defending my territories, and I eat it up. My efforts to break up the Jugg aren’t going well, as R and T refuse to stab each other. Very little press from E and F, so I throw all support behind Russia. I lose Denmark in the fall, but it could’ve been worse. I retreat to Ska to cause some trouble next year.
1903
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I try to talk Turkey into a stab yet again, telling him to use Austria as a vassal and cripple the Russian. At this time, there is no press with France, a trickle with Turkey, and loads of press with Russia England and Italy. England basically says he will continue killing me, but keep the alliance option open. England isn’t worried about the Jugg, and seems to think it will fall apart pretty soon. Russia offers to support me into Norway, and notes that he and England have been very cordial. Russia at this point tells me what to do, and I do it. I feed him every piece of information I get from England especially, and the rest of the powers. France isn’t nice in his army builds, and Russia tells me that France asked him for support into Munich. Russia says he won’t do it, and I take this as another token of Russia’s faithfulness and the health of our alliance. England tells me he is still going to attack me. Press with Italy starts to die off. At this point, I talk almost solely with England and Russia. England is very nice and I still like him even though he’s killing me. England is also getting very frustrated with France, and there are some French moves he doesn’t like. I offer him terms for peace. I wanted my home centers back, and I wanted peace between him and Russia (how naïve of me). Russia was at first hostile to peace between England and I, but when I told him the terms, he softened quickly. I tried one last time to get Italy and Austria working together against the Jugg, and Italy was receptive, but I heard nothing from Austria. Russia told me no on the support holds I asked for, and neglected to tell me that Frane would move to Ruhr and not Munich, forcing me to waste a support hold with which I could’ve taken Kiel. At this point I start trusting England as much as Russia. England took Kiel and France snuck into Ruhr. Russia told me he’d try for Denmark, but was bounced out. But the good news is that by taking Ruhr, France stabbed England! I have hope.
1904
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England is very receptive to working with me, Russia gets France to start talking with me, and I’m a popular person again. Everyone, even Turkey and France is talking to me again, and I am one of the main suppliers of information across the board. I kinda brag to Turkey that the west will fall the way I want it, and he asks how much influence I have with R and I lol. I pass on to Italy that Turkey is serious about working with him. Working with England, I arrange for Denmark to be open, and for England to move to Holland while I get support into Kiel. France asks me to hit North Sea, which I do, but not before telling England to have North Sea hit Belgium. I made France support me in, with no intention on ever helping him in return. Russia still wasn’t a big threat on the board, so I wasn’t worried about him. Unfortunately, I NMR due to no internet access in the fall. Speaking of Russia, he gives me a little ego boost for negotiating my survival until E and F went at each other. He also slaps on a friendly support to Munich, feeds me some French communication which shows I had France completely fooled but by the end of the year Russia is looking very big. Russia tells me he wants to build a fleet in St. Petes south. I’m not happy, but seeing that Russia will do what he wants anyway, and that he can kill me quickly, I don’t have much of a choice.
1905
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With England’s help, and Russia’s council, I take back Ruhr from France. I’m not liking what I see to the east, with Turkey starting to crumble, but hope that Italy will be up to facing Austria alone in the future. He still has a friendly army in Tyrolia, which I like. Because of losing ground, France offers the WT again to England and I. England and I seriously consider it, because we see the danger of Russia and Italy splitting the board. I offered France a way for him to fleet up fast, telling him I would move into Bur, he could destroy, bounce in Marseilles, and build the fleet there in the spring. We work out a compromise where I would “attack” Bur, and he would destroy Wales after England dislodged it, then he would fight Italy and E and I would fight Russia. England wants Belgium too though, and while I’m not happy with it, I tell France that I am supporting England in his choice (2nd major blunder with France). I was still telling all of my moves to Russia, thinking he wouldn’t attack his own minion. I didn’t know he had gotten another minion though. I told Russia of my agreement with England to take Denmark and support him to Belgium. In a move that I still don’t understand, France stabs me and takes Munich, with Italian support! Italy and Russia close in on me, and Russia bounces me out of Denmark. With French fleets being built, and a French army in Yorkshire, I knew England couldn’t help me defend Norway, so I destroyed it, trying to find a way to save myself. The double-treachery of Italy and France was too much.
1906
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So R/I have turned on me, and tricked France as well. France just says that I shouldn’t have worked with the English again. Russia is set out to kill me, but at least is doing so with a smile. I try to break up the trio, and Italy seems to be the easiest target. I offer him Munich, and he accepts. It worked, and even though I will have a destroy, by fall France is clearly alienated from R/I, not coordinating his attack on Berlin. Italy, however won’t listen to me when I say sooner or later Russia will turn on him. It is at this point where I state to Russia my goal is to be in Paris before I die. England and Italy support me into Burgundy in the fall. Russia offered me Denmark, but I didn’t take it, because I knew England was the best shot at stopping his expansion.
1907
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In the spring I came up with a plan to support France to Berlin and thus bounce Russia out. I don’t know why I delegated the support task to Italy and not myself, but I told Italy to support him in there. Not wanting to put down two supports and have France actually IN Berlin, I held Kiel. Italy self-bounced in Bohemia, the French army was destroyed, and Berlin was lost. Chalk up stupid move #1 for Italy. Russia was at 11 centers. I moved to Gas to cause some trouble in the French backfield. At this point, even France was serious about combating Russia, convoying out of London. Everyone was talking actively on how to stop the Russian solo, but Italy for some reason didn’t like the idea of helping a French unit survive. He agreed to get me into Marseilles though. And as I didn’t want to destroy, I accepted. Fall was the game ender. I had in the Spring announced that I was going to keep things lively and shake them up a bit before I died. I didn’t think I could lose Kiel. I didn’t think it was possible for me to lose Kiel, so I decided to go for one of the English centers, seeing that England would get the London SC, and build another unit in Kiel. England didn’t like this at all, so decided to self bounce in Holland (a guess) and not try to bounce me in Denmark, allowing Russia to get in there. The rest of that turn’s monstrosity falls on Italy, who supported Russia into my center! That blew my mind and I was furious. I destroyed Mar, but realized there was no way to stop the solo
1908
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England tells me he wants to finish off France before we die, seeing that his stabs kept us from attacking Russia and that he didn’t touch Italy the entire game. I gladly obliged.

//you are posting too frequently, please slow down//

shut up

One comment on yours, goldfinger: I was negotiating with Russia in 1907 as well, and explicitly asked both of you to bounce the other in Denmark. So that could've worked, had you followed through. I wasn't especially surprised, since I'd heard from both I and R how mischievous you were planning on being, but it could have slowed things down a little.

Ahh, yes I forgot about that. As you can see, I got less and less detailed as I went on in ,y EOG. I had at least 600 messages to look through, so it started getting tedious.

Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to be nearly as detailed as the two of you when writing mine...

I did most of mine from memory and stepping through the game on the map, mostly since I didn't go through the message archive, but it still took me quite a while. Thanks for writing yours up so detailed-like, goldfinger. Twas really interesting to see your perspectives on my neighbors especially.
@youradhere, just wait until you start writing it. It was a good game, and difficult to be concise. (Nevertheless, I'd rather read something concise from you than nothing at all.)

Correction:
In 1905, Italy builds A Nap (not F Nap), to sell the Lepanto convoy.

Also:
Germany had some of the funniest public press in the game. In autumn 1902 he says he tried to offer his SCs to any willing power, to try to get everyone else to start fighting. What he neglects to mention is how he phrased it:
"Alright since I seem to have no allies I will offer a free pass to one power and one power only into ALL of my SC's! Step right up. Bidding starts at one hooker. Will anyone buy me one hooker?"

lol. Just because I'm doing badly doesn't mean I can't have fun with it :p

yeah:)

Any of the rest of you going to post final thoughts? Would love to hear from Lando and Draugnar especially.

I think yourad is writing his still...

I have another paper to write tonight, I'm afraid, so I've scrapped the little I wrote between classes earlier. So it might take another day or two.

That's cool. I look forward to reading it whenever you get it posted.

I just noticed that we had a thread up. I'll write a decent post in a bit. Short thoughts:

1. Well done, MKECharlie.

2. Sorry, kreilly89, about the late game execution. Not my normal style, but after screwing up and giving the game away I felt I owed youradhere a little bit consideration given his cooperation with me.

3. Goldfinger, we should have done more sooner. This game came at a busy time for me at work, and I did not spend as many cycles as I should have. However, many times I had half-baked thoughts about laying out a real plan to blunt Russia with you, as early as 1905. In the end, I stuck with the I/R but had a horrible lapse in judgment late in the game.

4. MKECharlie, I'd love to rewind to F06 or S07 and do that again. I am not taking anything away from your play, which was obviously well done. I just wish I had done more to plan here and not stretch/get so exposed. Lesson (re)learned for me!

5. Draugnar, I really enjoyed the exchanges where you called me an idiot and a shit-for-brains in S03. In both cases I had to rewrite my response more than once, since I'm sure that we both have the vocabulary to get into a very colorful sparring match. :)

I'm going to be brief since I normally don't do EOGs. I fell the turning point in the game for me personally was the general hesitance of England in fall of 02, and all of 03 to get me into Munich. That was really the telling point of the game for me as it caused me to scramble, and wind up poisoning the well in terms of E/F/G relations.

Thanks for your thoughts, both of you.

MKECharlie - let's say I had not left so much exposure in 1907. Was the E/R/I draw ever feasible in your eyes, or was it solo all the way?

From my point of view, I took stability in the SE for granted and figured we'd get to E/R/I, then depending on where the units were we'd feel it out for a year and all see what was what. In that scenario, I think England would have been the key linchpin/kingmaker.

Also, Turkey (Lando), that's 2 recent games where things have not gone well between us (the other is that Masters game where you were France, I was Germany, and we could not stop the Russian solo. In that game though I blame Italy's inaction, but maybe a lot of that is on me for banking on him being active enough to slow R down).

I'd be really curious to see your quick EOG thoughts. There was a season there where we had a lot of potential, but it slipped away since I was steadfastly allied with Russia at the time and doing all I could to make it appear that our realtionship was really casual.

(Lando is on vacation, he'll probably post an EOG when he gets back)

Just read goldfinger's statement. Some reactions:

1902 - goldfinger feeds my moves to France. Tyrolia in 1902 was not to stab you, but was to disguise the CT, create some doubt in the forming alliances, and (of course) really setup my AH stab to start building quiet credibility with R. The hooker announcement was a nice touch.

1905 - oh yeah, I listened to you when you said that R would turn on me. It's like that scene in Casino, where Sharon Stone tells Robert De Niro that she can back off Joe Pesci. I was not in over my head in 1905, but the water was getting deeper.


S1907 - letting R into Berlin was not cool, no, since it created too much, too soon, and too concentrated for him. I should have slowed down the pace there and worked more through England to create pressure on R in the north and then claim sympathy and ignorance.

I started writing my long post but it will take awhile to do properly. Probably get it out this weekend.

AndyBer: I think that it would have been a 3-way draw (I/R/F) if you liked France better, since you wouldn't have been so focused on pushing westward, and could have held me off more effectively. England was too weak to be much of a ballast against either of us soloing, and I was in a better position to do so.

It certainly wasn't "solo all the way." I think that's the sort of attitude that makes you lots of enemies.

Well, here it comes.

1901
I decided to open to maximize my flexibility, but started talking with Germany right off the bat about rushing France. I’d been in an E/F the last few games as England, and I felt like trying something different again. However, Germany let slip to me enough information that I figured out he was involved in a CT, which I did not want to risk.

I immediately contacted France, confessed that I had been planning to stab him, and positioned myself in the builds phase to move on Germany while showing France that I was legitimately committed to working with him by building the fleet in Edinburgh. So far, so good.

After I told France that we were facing a CT, he immediately started confronting the other powers about it, including encouraging R/T to move against Austria. I disagreed with him on this approach, saying that I preferred to move quietly to counter it, so as not to provoke a Juggernaut. I still think that this approach is more appropriate, but that’s probably more of a stylistic difference. The different approaches probably paid off well in the short term, since it meant we basically had a good cop/bad cop diplomacy with Germany.

1902
I kicked myself for the rest of the game for moving to Ruhr. I had hoped to bounce Germany there, but found myself isolated instead. I wanted to grow at an even rate with France, since that alliance is difficult to maintain in cases of unbalance, so I bumped Kiel to guarantee success in Denmark instead of supporting him into Munich. To compensate, I gave him Belgium on the condition that he built an army in Brest and then kept it there so that I could feel safe about not being stabbed.

1903
Ignoring his agreement to stay in Brest, France moved to Picardy and MAO, which I read as a very aggressive move, while at the same time asking me to support him into Munich. I had planned to support him into Munich, but I didn’t want to hand him a build with Brest open for a fleet build. So I told him that I would support him in as soon as MAO was somewhere else and Picardy went back to Brest. At this point, Russia supported Germany into Norway but kept talking to me. I decided to focus on defending myself against France in my builds, and went with the two disbands. Seeing the French stab in full, I decided to start working with Germany, and asked to exchange Holland and Kiel, blablabla. At that point I was still trying to milk the situation for more centers, but I gave up on that as France continued to pressure me.

1904-1905
Starting in 1903, France stopped talking to me, which set the tone for the rest of the game, as I focused on keeping France off the island. Diplomatically, I was trying to stay friendly with Germany and Russia to keep Denmark in my possession. I reasoned that the loss of any peripheral center would mean the loss of valuable units defending the center, and I’m pretty happy about the way that turned out.

Come 1905, France started talking to me again and offering (wisely) a Triple against the I/R alliance. Both Germany and I agreed. I asked for Belgium in compensation for Denmark, which I would surely have lost if a WT became apparent. France agreed to this, I think, and then promptly left the Triple behind and retreated to Yorkshire, contrary to his promise to disband the unit.

1905-End
At some point, I decided that I would try and balance Russia and Italy for a three-way draw. Russia and Italy both liked the idea, though Russia stated he would be more comfortable with a three-way draw with France, since it is geographically more convenient, but did not feel France was a reliable ally. I continued to focus on getting France off my land rather than countering Russian expansion. At one point France offered to exchange Belgium for London, to which I responded that I would agree to that if he left London in the Spring and held off on Belgium until the Fall. Frankly, after being stabbed by France twice I did not feel I could trust him at any further than I could push his armies, so I felt this was a reasonable request. He refused, only to ask me for the same deal the next year, which I refused and demanded he leave London unconditionally.

The end came quite unexpectedly. 1907 is the last relevant year for stopping the solo, which to be honest was not on my mind at all at that point. Germany messed with the wrong power, Italy trusted Russia (far) too much, and I didn’t pay attention to Russian expansion.

I asked Russia to hold off on the solo for long enough to eliminate France. I did this for two reasons:

1. I believe that, once it is impossible to stop a solo, a survive is superior to a defeat. For instance, if I were Italy facing a Juggernaut, I would not stab France in order to guarantee survival, I would fight the Juggernaut even if it meant defeat. In this case, the solo was already sure, and I did not want to end on the same level as my rival for the game.

I felt, and from what other players told me in game I was not the only one of this opinion, that France had played an absolutely dismal game. He had been non-communicative to the extreme and pulled off a number of poor stabs. Although Germany and Italy have both mentioned that I was the primary driver behind the elimination of France - which is probably true - both of them appeared to agree that it was a good decision.

By holding off the solo, I hoped that Russia would slip up somewhere and allow us to defend against the solo. It was a long shot, and Russia was, obviously, much better than that, but eliminating France, from my perspective at the time, provided an infinitely better chance of fighting the solo than just laying down and letting the game to end.


I’m not very practiced with EOGs, so I’m sure there’s a lot I’ve left out, so I’ll respond to any questions about my play here as well. Congratulations to Russia on a deserved win.

I tried to negotiate the safety of your centers well enough, but you should have believed me when I offered my alliance to you. Things such as triples agreed to in spring 1901 are vague at best. we could have worked out well together. Also, I apologize for that one goof where we were supposed to trade holland and kiel, where because of my moves Ruhr was destroyed. Also, what do you mean by I "messed with the wrong power"?

I am in a an airport at the moment and will try and write an eog for this in the next little while. am interested to read the above as well.

I promise I will comment. Tomorrow probably.

I have read the discussion and it is quite interesting. If I have one comment for now it is that mkeCharlie's play impressed me immensely. One of the best performances I have witnessed.

I agree with Lando. mkeCharlie played an amazing game, and the solo was absolutely deserved.

@goldfinger: I meant that if you'd bounced in Denmark instead of diving for Holland, we might have been able to slow down Russia.

Ok, here it goes. This ended up being a really good game so I will try and do it justice with a well-written EOG. I will start from the pre-game.

I had some apprehension going into this game. I put my name down on the GR challenge game hoping that my rank would get me a game with some people with higher GRs than what this game had. I ended up being the highest rnaked player and the game had a small pot and long-phases - not really my ideal setting. I play every game with the same level of dedication, so this is not an excuse, just to say that is exceeded my expectations and I was wrong to judge these players prematurely.

The game started and I had discussion with everyone. Russia wrote a lot of words and Italy wrote very few but I felt I had good communication with both of them and that they had different styles, this is fair. Austria tried to get me on his side but didn't really offer plans so much as just asked for an alliance. Russia came up with the Black Sea exchange, something I had never heard of, and I was keen to try something new so I agreed.

It was an interesting strategy although in my opinion it leaves too much temptation to really promote a game-long alliance. My intention was always to keep the moves with Russia coordinated and plan to make a stab when I could make a good gain. This is obviously basic diplomacy strategy, but it seemed to me that Russia was intent on making this work long-term so I figured I could make a quick gain. I came up with what I thought was a good stab plan, and it would have worked great if Russia wasn't tipped off.

So now I will touch on my relationship with Italy. I was completely honest with him from the very start. I told him in 1902 that I was working this new juggernaut strategy with Russia but that my intention was to stab in the next couple of years. I tried to be clear that my intention was to work with him once Austria was eliminated and I made the stab. I realized too late that I was never bale to convince him. I think this was likely mostly due to Charlie's exceptional diplomacy. Maybe I didn't read teh Italian well enough. I really thought my plan was the best for both of us. I am really curious what I could have done to make you act differently, AndyBer?

I found out that Italy tipped Russia off so I was kind of stuck. I tried hard to get one of them back on my side. Russia made some ludicrous treaty proposition in 1904 and I agreed hoping one of them would show me something due to my honesty throughout the game (my only lie was during the stab of Russia), but their alliance was too rock-solid and I couldn't crack it.

I realize now I should have tried to work with Austria. But I honestly didn't have much faith in him since his proposals never really were specific nor persuasive. And the Italian and Russian both played me very well. The coordinated well and finished me off fast. I can't comment on the west since it didn't matter much to me. I will say that Germany's communication was very good, which I respect quite a bit.

So in all, great game Charlie. I hope to play you again in the future.

I have a final comment for AndyBer specifically. He mentioned the Masters game we were both in above somewhere. Both of these games it seems that I have had absolutely no ability to convince you of anything. In the Masters game more than this one I think I was proven right. You didn't budge no matter what I did. In this game, Charlie made a big stab after I was defeated, but you still were stuck on a strategy. He earned this one, as did THM in the other, but I am really wanting to know what I need to do differently to get you to see what I see. You blame the Masters on Italy but you were the one to lose Berlin and Munich. This game was the same, in a way, I offered you an alliance to work north through the crippled Austria and onto the Russia with an advantage in Scandinavia, and was completely sincere, but you chose ot work with the biggest solo threat on the board. It's not that it was a terrible strategy, but I honestly believe my offer was a much better proposition.

Sorry if this seems accusatory, I am just trying to learn from this. I think you played very well both games, I just wish i could ahve reached you better.

I was eliminated so quickly with three enemies that my input is useless. I've grown tired of Diplomacy and will be taking a break when my current games wrap anyhow.