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tmg996 (147 D)
10 Apr 10 UTC
Cheating?
its a anon no chat gunboat and i believe france germany and austria are cheating gameID=26275
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5nk (0 DX)
10 Apr 10 UTC
Live WTA Gunboat JOIN
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Mack Eye (119 D)
10 Apr 10 UTC
New game - By-Tor vs. Snow Dog (3 day turns, 110 pt bet)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26288
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
04 Apr 10 UTC
FAO Everyone: DO NOT post accusations in the forum.
Do not post accusations in the forum. Ever. Under any circumstances.
Email [email protected] instead.
This is a rule that should just enforce itself without any effort, but sadly not. Don't be surprised if I start removing points for doing this, it is exceedingly unhelpful.
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S.E. Peterson (100 D)
10 Apr 10 UTC
WTA Live Gunboat in 1 hour (40 point bet)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26275
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
10 Apr 10 UTC
gunboat in 30 minutes
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shadowlurker (108 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
live press game. no cheats plain fun join-up!
lets try and get pros beginners and intermediates all in one game eh?

gameID=26274
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
Live Gunboat
gameID=26264

No NMRs please!
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Octavious (2701 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
Race, Racism and Racists
A comment on another thread got me thinking. Someone on another thread had been called racist for expressing anti-German opinions. Is this really racism, or just jingoism?

Also why on earth is it the fashion in the US to classify those of Spanish decent as another race? Living in the south west of England I've always thought of Spaniards as white... very foreign, yes, but still white. Using the US system I've been living in a multi racial familiy without ever realising it!
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Chrispminis (916 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
@Corwin, fair enough. Regardless, the science remains convincing. I don't think it will change the way I think we ought to treat others either way, but it does miff me when scientific inquiry is stifled by political correctness or religious objections, in whatever domain.
pastoralan (100 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
There are some basic realities that the "science" overlooks. First of all, race is a social category, not a genetic one. People can and do shift racial identities without any physical or genetic alteration. At the same time, there is massive and overwhelming evidence for the social impact of racial identity. That evidence is mostly ignored in discussions like these, because it would force significant social change if it wasn't.
Pastoralan, yes, environment plays a factor. But if you took 100 Nigerian babies at birth, 100 Chinese babies, and 100 Swedish babies at birth and raised them all communally, would you expect them to score the same in everything, all be the same speed, same height, same hair color?

I would expect that you would say no, you would not expect that. Why to people get so upset when you add 'same intelligence' to that list? I am not trying to be a racist. I am not suggesting WHICH would score best, but I have no down you would see trends among the groups. And since they were all raised the same, you can't say the test was biased.
'no down' should be 'no doubt'
dexter morgan (225 D(S))
09 Apr 10 UTC
"Does the comparison still hold despite a chimpanzee population bottleneck as well? "
@Chrispminis, I saw that too and I don't have the answer. Chimps reach puberty a little earlier than humans (8 to 10 years old) so that fact (plus possibly human cultural influences delaying child rearing) would allow for some difference due to there being more generations of chimps in a given time period... but that may not explain it by itself.
Stukus (2126 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
I agree, Dingleberry, that there'd be differences in the averages, but I also think that the difference between the Nigerian, Chinese, and Swedish averages would be much less than the range of values present in any one of those groups.
Corwin (368 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
@Chrispminis: You're right. This type of debate is often tinted by political bias (left or right). Personally, I have no doubts genes play an important role. I am just not sure it is predominant compared to the impact of the environment. I do not find sience articles that can convince me one way or the other yet.
As for race, this word does not mean much to me. Humans have so many genes and characteristics that using only a few (skin color and other few physical characteristics) to categorize them is extremely reductive.
Stukus,
Stukus,
Agreed, although not my point. But then looking at the data, since there would be differences between the groups, with one group on average being higher than another, you would have no choice to conclude Group (Race) A is more intelligent than Group (Race) B. (Or if it makes you feel better, Group A scored better on the unbiased test than Group B.) That makes a lot of people uncomfortable. That statement, by itself, it not racist, though it could be used for racist purposes.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
09 Apr 10 UTC
"Genetic Similarity Theory, which states that individuals tend to be more altruistic to individuals who are genetically similar to themselves (kin selection), and less altruistic, and sometimes outwardly hostile to individuals who are less genetically similar." - i heard that the results of this kind* of investigation (looking at video footage of tribal communities fighting) was horrible biased by the fact that the tribes actually lied about who they were related to when talking to researchers, and that when they went back and took genetic samples it was shown to be wrong (not sure if it was Rushton's work which was shown to have been done poorly...

It is interesting that some plant species will not compete with their neighbours if they share certain genes - similar to how normal human cells will not compete with each other for survival... and there is a super colony of ants which stretches over 6000 kilometers (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1932509.stm) which all share a common genetic heritage and thus don't compete with each other...

(obviously in humans cancerous cells do stop following the orders of the body and tend to mess thigns up for their neighbours, usually when they have had mutations to their genetic material.... well before that cells which are identified as abnormal will be self-destruct via chemical signal from the immune system...)

It has also been shown that mating partners tend to seek out dissimilar dna to get complementary genes which are useful in providing offspring with a robust immune system. That is to say humans often go out to look for partners who are genetically different. (and that women can tell by smell what potential partner is genetically dissimilar - although i'm sure deodorant masks this effect - just as makeup masks the imperfections in human skin which are indicative of healthy genes and general health - via symmetry and general skin health respectively)

Anyway my basic ascertain is that there is more crossover of (lets say IQ) between races than there is differences between them. So while the average may vary the range is fairly wide and the vast majority of humans you meet will fit neatly into this range. (whatever about the rare outliers who aren't that interesting) Meaning racial profiling is less useful in the real world.

That said given the option where my only information is based on race i will use the only information available (even if it isn't that useful) If there are two people behind a curtain and one is female the other male (without me knowing anything about their respective races) and i am asked which is taller i am going to guess the male - does that make me sexist? no, but the way the question is framed means i can ONLY make a judgement call based on the gender of the subject.

I do not expect this kind of situation will come up that often in real life.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
09 Apr 10 UTC
@stukus: yes it seems you pointed out the range thing in a much shorter post than i did; perhaps i add too much around the important points - stukus +1
Chrispminis (916 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
"I agree, Dingleberry, that there'd be differences in the averages, but I also think that the difference between the Nigerian, Chinese, and Swedish averages would be much less than the range of values present in any one of those groups."

That's true, but the differences of averages are not negligible and will manifest themselves prominently at either extreme. A seemingly small difference in averages of say height between groups can lead to quite large differences in percentages in the very tall and very short categories. This has very real consequences such as the majority of people tall enough to play basketball are African American. In addition, in the competitive environment of human society, extremes often have their importance accentuated.

I will say that racial profiling is definitely overused. There are countless correlations between physical, mental, and behavioural traits but the vast majority of these are never used when judging another person. This is not to say that profiling has no practical use, it's just that when it comes down to it, it's probably more practical to simply get to know the person as their own individual rather than comparing their traits to a slew of correlations.


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TeethofFury (100 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
Join this business Live game NOW
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26271
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Chrispminis (916 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
Net Neutrality
Comment on this recent development:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/technology/07net.html?scp=2&sq=comcast&st=cse
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klokskap (550 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
Live Ancient Med- starts at 7:54 EST
gameID=26272

Not Anon, Gunboat
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airborne (154 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
Honestly...
inside
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lovehate32 (124 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
Can anyone tell me..
How to file a complaint on someone using two names in one game?
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Happymunda (0 DX)
09 Apr 10 UTC
WORLD WIDE GAME (pot=10per person 1 day phases)
gameID=26265
JOIN IT IS FUN
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
09 Apr 10 UTC
live gunboat
join now: gameID=26259
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lovehate32 (124 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
live game starting in 10
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26261
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yamchagoku1 (161 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
New World Diplomacy
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26038
The link is included. This is a game of WHOLE world diplomacy. It is open and needs only a few more players
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Azralynn (898 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
Live Gunboat ~20min
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RStar43 (517 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
FridAY MORNING
one more player 6 minutes
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jdog (100 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
Ancient Med
Why does no one want to play the Ancient Med map?
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iMurk789 (100 D)
08 Apr 10 UTC
favorite albums?
name some of your favorite albums, just because i miss these forums and i like talking about music.
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Gary (2194 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
New Live Games
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26252 - starting in 30 mins

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26254 - starting in an hour
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denis (864 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
3 more needed in 3 hours!!!
Join!!!!!!!!¡!¡!¡!¡

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26211
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Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
07 Apr 10 UTC
Longest game with nobody out?
gameID=22909

I expect someone will have a longer one but i'm quite impressed by everyone still alive, albeit some in worse shapes than others, in 1909. I'm not talking about the games as yes it is ongoing so no tactics please. Post other games which come close to beating this though :P
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Mindtech (100 D)
07 Apr 10 UTC
Saying goodbye
The time has come for me to leave this site, and here's why.
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hopsyturvy (521 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
AAR - Live! Guboat!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26238 - Gü-boat?

All I want to say is: Germany! Why?
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Panthers (470 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
All we need is 7 people! Live Gunboat!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26245

Actually 6 because I joined my own game...........
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Panthers (470 D)
09 Apr 10 UTC
Live Friday Gunboat!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=26237

Starting in 2 hours!
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DollyDagger (0 DX)
07 Apr 10 UTC
Chaos variant game
At Oli's Diplomacy variants we are about to have our first "Chaos" game but we need 12 more players. In "Chaos" every SC is its own country so we have 34 players. It will involve a ton of diplomatic skill and much backstabbing and alliances so please join!

Here's the game: http://oli.rhoen.de/webdiplomacy/board.php?gameID=696
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