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podium (498 D)
31 Mar 10 UTC
Points
It's my understanding that if you have 100 or less points and enter a game.And are defeated your points are refunded?What happens if you have more then 100 and wager all points in one game and are defeated.Are all points refunded or are you now at 0 and the account is basically dead.Encouraging said player to set up a new account.
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mel1980 (0 DX)
31 Mar 10 UTC
Euthanasia- Right or Wrong?
I believe if we are HUMANE, it's the only right thing to do.
After all, we don't expect animals to suffer, and expect sentient beings to??
Sounds Neanderthal or full of religion to me(Christians!!!! grrrr)
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flashman (2274 D(G))
31 Mar 10 UTC
I have a thread going about Cheating, but...
I am wondering why no active Mods have picked it up and responded?
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ZhangFang (100 D)
31 Mar 10 UTC
Ancient Med variant
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=24842
Need to more to go! Public press only. SHould be fun
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maykiz (101 D)
31 Mar 10 UTC
World Diplomacy XI
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=25378
Join. It will be a new experience for most of us I believe!
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HeavyRevy (181 D)
31 Mar 10 UTC
Ancient Med Game - First Try
Set up a new game. Ancient World - First Try. Need players! Experienced Diplomacy player here but first time with this setup. Excited to try it.
Her is the link: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=25415
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zscheck (2531 D)
31 Mar 10 UTC
ADVERTISEMENT!!!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=25419
120 buy in
1 day turns
Join. It shall be fun
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S.E. Peterson (100 D)
31 Mar 10 UTC
WTA Live Gunboat in 1 hour
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=25409
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lovehate32 (124 D)
31 Mar 10 UTC
wanna try a different map- starts in 10
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=25418
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podium (498 D)
30 Mar 10 UTC
H1N1/AVIAN FLU?
Not much in news about where I live in Canada lately.Overblown by "WHO" or goverment?I ask since many of you are spread around the globe.What steps where taken where you live education,prevention?Do you fear contraction?Know anyone who has?Is it still in news where you are?
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lovehate32 (124 D)
31 Mar 10 UTC
live game starting soon, need 4 more
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=25413
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Kusiag (1443 D)
31 Mar 10 UTC
New World Diplomacy!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=25414
Bet:30, Points-Per-Supply, Phase Time: 1 1/2 days
All Messaging options available
6 days left until start, so join up now and secure your spot!
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Octavious (2701 D)
16 Mar 10 UTC
Why worship God?
Apologies in advance for rasing the subject of religion once again, but as I find myself amongst a group of intelligent people who have given serious thought to questions of this nature I can't stop myself from asking a question that's been bugging me for some time. Let us assume for a moment there is indeed a God who created the universe and continues to exist. What is the reason for us to worship Him? His universe seems to continue on in much the same way whether He is worshiped or not.
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pi r round (0 DX)
31 Mar 10 UTC
Amazing playing by England with bad playing by me :/
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22268

This is by far the best England I have seen. He screws up his first year and then I decide to attack him and he holds on the entire game and even manages to beat me back a notch. Really top notch playing
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spitfire8125 (189 D)
31 Mar 10 UTC
anon, wta, no in-game messaging, starting soon!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=25406

Come on folks, lets play!
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nickno2010 (184 D)
30 Mar 10 UTC
tactics as france
Hi i am a first timer at this amazing game and i have just started out as France would anybody have any useful tactics that would give me a beneficial boost in the game as i not too sure where or who to attack first.
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Xerxis (0 DX)
31 Mar 10 UTC
5 min fast
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Dpddouglass (908 D)
31 Mar 10 UTC
Anyone up for Ancient Med?
Hey the turns may be long but some of us have jobs and stuff.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=25227
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5nk (0 DX)
31 Mar 10 UTC
Need sub for wta gunboat
Need a Frenchman

gameID=25391
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5nk (0 DX)
30 Mar 10 UTC
Live wta gunboat
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Kingdroid (219 D)
30 Mar 10 UTC
Merchant Empires
http://game.advancedpowers.com/

A Space RPG I just started playing again. Free to play, resetting rounds.
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jireland20 (0 DX)
30 Mar 10 UTC
FEW MORE
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=25390
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jireland20 (0 DX)
30 Mar 10 UTC
LIVE COME JOIN
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=25390
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lovehate32 (124 D)
30 Mar 10 UTC
2 more people in 8 min
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=25387
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Waefre (330 D)
30 Mar 10 UTC
Ancient Mediterranean Game
Hey guys, I've never played on the other maps that are here so I thought I would try to start an Ancient Med. game for fun. It's open to everyone, so please join.

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=25388
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nola2172 (316 D)
30 Mar 10 UTC
Need Ghana for World Map Game
Ghana has left the game in an ongoing world map. His position is currently not the strongest, but the buy-in is pretty cheap right now:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=20858
If you are interested, please join up.
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lovehate32 (124 D)
30 Mar 10 UTC
please join live game. 10 min
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=25379
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lovehate32 (124 D)
30 Mar 10 UTC
live game in just a few
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=25375
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
Cricket vs. Baseball
Alright, then, I wanted to talk some baseball, but everyone seems to be shooting that down... and I've always wanted to know what that OTHER bat-and-ball sport is like. Certainly it can never be as great as baseball? Or is it? Better? Worse? Who likes what/ How is Cricket even played? ;) Americans, Latins, and Asians take the field against the English, Indians, and Empires... It's Baseball vs. Cricket- culturally and fun factor, which is best?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
(And to the first person who says, "Obiwanobiwan seems to have an obsession with sports threads" yes, yes I do- one week from Opening Day I feel like I'm nine years old again. Namely, I'm excited as hell about the season and hopeful and can't shut up! Not that I EVER shut up, but still...)

;)
VVinston Smith (0 DX)
29 Mar 10 UTC
Australia is the greatest cricketing nation in the world. England is like a multi - sure, every now and then they win, but when they do it's only because the cheat (for example the 2005 Ashes Series).
flashman (2274 D(G))
29 Mar 10 UTC
Define 'best'?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
What do YOU think is "best" for a sport, flashman? ;) Point of the thread... what IS best?

And I do not get that crickety game at all... it seems like baseball with bowling and slower than both combined and not even a fun kind of slow; I'm not a hyper-active American, I can wait and be patient through a baseball game and don't need constant running and scoring like basketball... I like the pause-action-pause-action...

But when there's action I want it fast and fun, cricket, you hit a ball and then... what?
Alderian (2425 D(S))
29 Mar 10 UTC
First off, I don't care for professional sports, so no thanks MLB and NFL. Far prefer college football and baseball.

My work has a lot of folks from India and they play cricket. I played in a couple of games where they were just showing it to all the cricket clueless. Was fun, but still hazy on all the rules.
texasdeluxe (516 D(B))
29 Mar 10 UTC
Yeah, cricket is a great game (if you have 5 days to spare and you like to watch a couple of guys running occasionally only to have it end in a draw...)

Then again, I don't really dig sport.

Test cricket is a very strategic game so I guess I understand why many are devoted to it.

If you want something faster, there's always World Series (1 day) Cricket and now even 20-20 (over) Cricket.
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
Hello everyone. My name is Chris, and I am a cricket addict.

There, I've said it! Anyway, for those of you who want an explanation of how cricket is played, here's how ;)



You have two sides, one out in the field and one in.

Each man that's in the side that's in, goes out, and when he's out, he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out.

When they are all out the side that's out comes in and the side that's been in goes out and tries to get those coming in out.

Sometimes you get men still in and not out.

When both sides have been in and out including the not-outs, that's the end of the game.
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
@VVinston Smith

"England is like a multi - sure, every now and then they win, but when they do it's only because the cheat (for example the 2005 Ashes Series). "

What? Either you are smoking banana skins, or just plain loopy. 2005 is well regarded as the best series of all time. When the hell did England 'cheat'?

To quote Her Maj, 'We are not amused'...
Octavious (2701 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
I tried watching a game of baseball once. I wanted to enjoy it, I really did... But nothing happened! The batsmen walked up, missed the ball three times, and walked away again. Every now and then one of them would get a bit of a hit on the ball, which almost always resulted in him being out, and once an hour there would be a genuinely good shot resulting in the batsman jogging smugly around the square.

Now I can appreciate that there is a huge amount of skill involved, be it in the batsmen timing his strike or the manager choosing when to bring on a new pitcher etc etc. I can also appreciate it can be a fun game to play. But by God the professional game is dull to watch!

Twenty20 on the other hand....
As an American, I don't know how to play cricket and therefore prefer baseball. But I would be happy to learn how to play cricket. Frankly, it looks interesting with the three little wooden sticks and the paddle-like bat.

But my favorite sport is still raquetball. I can see how people wouldn't like baseball. It's horribly boring to watch on TV, and there's so many rules that you really have to learn how to play at an early age. Baseball is really only fun if you're playing. I can't speak for cricket.
Beetle Bailey (394 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
To sum it all up, both cricket and baseball are fun to play and boring to watch. Basketball and Football are much more exciting to observe.
panache (292 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
When I was younger (and much fitter), I used to play cricket on Saturdays followed by baseball on Sundays. I found cricket to be more fulfilling if you had a good match but baseball had a few more teamwork "situations" that increased the intensity.

If you really want to know about good sports you should investigate Aussie Rules football.
Octavious (2701 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
Aussie Rules is one of those few sports that I can enjoy watching despite not knowing anything about the players or having any loyalties to either side. Baseball is certainly not, and I'm unsure if cricket would have been either. Twenty20 can perhaps attract new fans with no previous experience of cricket, but the 50 over game you really have to grow up with.

Where cricket wins without question over baseball is that cricket has a World Cup worthy of the name.
Jamiet99uk (873 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
I have become a fan of cricket after moving from Scotland, where the game is not very popular, to County Durham in the North East of England, which is a real hotbed of cricket. It also helps that Durham have one of the best County Cricket sides around.

Going to see the cricket is a great day out, as long as you make sure you take a picnic and a few beers.

It is my opinion that cricket is better than baseball. For one thing, it is played across more parts of the world, so the international cricket scene is really fascinating and you get some great test matches.

I also think that baseball is a rather simplistic game and not much fun to watch. In the UK we have a game called "rounders" which is essentially identical to baseball. In fact rounders, which originates in Ireland, is the ancestor of baseball. Nowadays in the UK it is considered a game for young children, especially girls, rather than adults.
patizcool (100 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
a rather simplistic game? I am sorry, but that is coming from someone who apparently doesn't understand the intricacies of baseball. I personally do not know that much about cricket, so I can't comment on which is better. However, baseball is a fun game to watch if you have loyalty to a team and understand the rules (there are a lot of rules. There are situations in which many many people have no idea what the correct call would be because it's an almost unprecedented situation, but that's the beauty of baseball... there's sooo many scenarios.) Anyway, I love baseball, both playing and watching it. Obiwan, I know exactly how you feel with opening day just a few days away. I'm like a little child in a candy shop :D
Rule Britannia (737 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
as an Englishman, I'd obviously say cricket is the BEST sport- I'm a massive watcher and play a hell of a lot as well. The ultimate combo of skill and mental ability cricket.
But I also quite enjoy baseball; even if there can be some really dull games( low-scoring ones).
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
I personally adore cricket.

@ cgwhite""England is like a multi - sure, every now and then they win, but when they do it's only because the cheat (for example the 2005 Ashes Series). "

What? Either you are smoking banana skins, or just plain loopy. 2005 is well regarded as the best series of all time. When the hell did England 'cheat'? "

P1: Australia always win at cricket
P2: Australia didn't win this time
C: Therefore, something wasn't cricket, i.e. England cheated.

Simple in the mind of an Australian.

I think he was referring to the fact that Trescothick sucked boiled sweets.

warsprite (152 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
I agree with patizcool there is alot going in baseball a casual watcher misses. Much of it is with the coaches and manager. Who to walk, or strike out, when to bunt a ball, or when to do a sacrfice bunt or fly.
VVinston Smith (0 DX)
29 Mar 10 UTC
@ TGM / CGW - yeah that and the fact that Damien Martyn didn't go out during the whole tour.

Hope those very sympathetic LBW decisions make you feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside p.o.m.e bastards.

You've only got football left, but this World Cup you will see, you will see, you will see. 'Shecanski, Shecantski, Wecanbothski, Goalski Australia!!! And that's stunned this England crowd'...

/obscure?
Shah (815 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
Having grown up in an indian family in america I've been equally exposed to Cricket and Baseball. And I love both.

Test cricket is probably the least enjoyable form of the game for me, and my biggest frustration with it is not the length, but having it end in a draw after 5 days of playing.

One-days and Twenty20 are really the future of the sport, and the only format that would probably have worldwide appeal. There are really only 8 teams that can legitimately compete in the test format, but the other two formats have more world wide depth and potential in my opinion.

It took me a long time to get into baseball, and despite my frustrations with the MLB (mostly the lack of parody and really rich teams buying championships) it can be fun to watch. Both games have a lot of strategy and I think they are more similar then people think.

I agree that cricket has a more international scene---but this needs to go beyond the former commonwealth countries if cricket is ever going to grow. And the rest of the world is also starting to pick up baseball, and it wont be long until the world baseball classic is followed more.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
29 Mar 10 UTC
Baseball, IMHO, is much better to listen to on the radio, especially if you have a good play by play guy telling you what is going on, including all the intricacies.
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
29 Mar 10 UTC
"yeah that and the fact that Damien Martyn didn't go out during the whole tour."

Test/Innings
1/1 caught behind
1/2 lbw Harmison
2/1 run out (Vaughan)
2/2 c Bell
3/1 bowled
3/2 lbw Harmison
4/1 lbw Hoggard
4/2 caught behind
5/1 caught Collingwood
5/2 dnb

Of course, every time he was out it was a bad lbw decision............

Can I point out that we just won them again?
As a sport loving Brit I would choose baseball over cricket every time!

Both are complex sports and I probably lack sufficient knowledge to fully appreciate cricket but it is just too slow for me. Any sporting occasion where you can wander off to the beer tent or for afternoon tea, stroll back to your seat and not have the feeling of having missed something is just wrong.

I would also put certain US popular sports in that category... basketball and american football - I find that time-outs just ruin the flow for me.

I'm 'lucky' enough to have NY based friends who introduced me to baseball (yes, the Mets) and have been patient enough to talk me through the plays when we've been at the Shea (yet to visit Citifield) - I agree that you do have to understand the game to fully enjoy it.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
29 Mar 10 UTC
Cricket is so much more fun to watch. I am American; I know the rules of baseball much better, but when I had nothing to do in Benin last month, there was South African satellite TV on... which had cricket. I asked some Brits to explain the game to me, and voila, I was hooked. Its riveting... whereas baseball, though it has a kind of nostalgia for me, is not so riveting. Yes there is suspense, but only when the game matters a lot. Cricket is exciting to watch just by virtue of the game mechanics, which is certainly not true of baseball.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
29 Mar 10 UTC
Plus cricket is just so classy
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
30 Mar 10 UTC
@Jamiet99uk:

Simplistic? Anything but. Complicated? No. Boring? NEVER.

Baseball is as much drama as sport- you need to know the characters, the motions and moods, sights and sounds...


THE BASEBALL-IAD (Baseball's Heroic History GREATLY Condensed)

In the Beginning, The Great Baseball Manager created the Diamond and the Outfield.
But it was void and without fun.
And so the Manager said, "Let there be light!"

And lighting up the landscape were fellows such as the gentlemen Mathewson and the nice guy Walter Johnson and that villianous Ty Cobb, who played greater than mere mortals and yet was the Devil on the field, spiking players with his sharpened cleats and snarling at everyone and hurling racist anger from his just-post-Civil War Georgia uprbringing.

And so Baseball was like Eden to America, so great and wonderful, but then the Black Sox took the Forbidden Fruit, Gambling Money, and fixed a World Series, and were cast out.

And the Manager of it All was displeased... ans so he created Babe Ruth. And Ruth was the symbol of joy in America, a big, happy boy, with such power never seen since the days of Hercules.

And he played for Boston, but the greedy Boston owner traded him for money to the Yankees in New York.

And as the Babe grew into the star he was and the Yankees became the roayalty of baseball, the Red Sox of Boston paid for their heinous deed, and four 86 years suffered without the light of a World Series win.

And so Baseball was happy again- but still not perfect.

And so other stars graced the landscape, including a serious and virtue-driven man to be Ruth's teammate, so that the Babe might have a brother to hit homers with, and so his joy might be balanced with solmenity and virtue.

And thus came about Lou Gehrig, and the Yankee Dynasty.

But then the Depression hit America, and Baseball responded.

The Babe grew old and weak, and sadder, but still brightened American faces. He would pass from the field, but never the hearts of the American Public.

Gehrig carried on without Ruth, but he, too, grew weak, stricken by disease, and died prematurely, and Baseball seemed in dire straights, and in need of heroes once more.

And so Baseball brought to us The Gashouse Gang in St. Louis, with gritty players and even grittier play, and Baseball saw they WERE good. And soon he brought forth the Great Early Trio of Hitters, Stan the Man, The Splendid Splinter, and The Yankee Clipper, and thusly Musial, Williams, and DiMaggio battled it out.

And the fans saw it WAS good, and America WAS happy, even in Depression.

And then came War, and War threatened to end Baseball. But the President of the time bade the game go on, for he felt that Baseball was so intrinsic to the America Spirit it was like the Olympic Flame, and must NEVER stop burning.

And so Baseball continued, but it WAS hurt, as the greatest, mightiest of the diamond heroes were off becoming true heroes in the Greatest of All Wars.

And as the War ended, and the Boys came home, Baseball came back to normalcy, slowly, but not before the Cubs, Cursed by a Greek and a Billy Goat, won a pennant and played in the Series of '45.

But they lost, and have never again appeared in a Series, and have remained Cursed for 102 years and counting.

And Chicago WAS hurt, as its South Side White Sox, too, could muster no wins.

But the game went on, but would change dramatically, and would see two TRUE heroes arise.

For now came one of the first signs of the Civil Rights Struggle. For baseball had, for so very long, been a game that leveled all classes, rich and poor, but not, yet, black and white. Those born of Skin of White were welcomed; those of Black were scorned and spurned, were treated to horrors no man should experience.

And Baseball, America, the World could stand the division and injustice no longer.

And so Baseball sent Branch Rickey to the Dodgers, a Brooklyn instituion at the time. And Rickey as a boy had loved ball, and as a young man had served as manager of a collegiate team with a black player. That black player was denied entry into a hotel, denied his Rights of Man, and Rickey rmembered the pain in his eyes, how he bemoaned, and cried "My skin is against me!"

And Rickey would stand it no longer, would heal the sharp, wounding split in Baseball, and that WOULD be the first stich in repairing the larger Racial Gash in America.

And Ricker scoured the Negore Leagues, where the blacks played their own brand of baseball, and searched not only for ability, but for courage, and character.

And Rickey found Jackie Robinson.

And Baseball saw he WAS good.

And so Robinson came to Brooklyn, and the Noble Experiment, as it was called, was put to the test. Rickey, the Great Integrator, was put to the test. And Robinson, the Great Breaker of the Color Barrier, was was put to the test.

The team divided over Robinson. Members threatened to leave the team, to destroy Brooklyn's team, and the Experiment, and Justice.

And here Leo Durocher proclaimed that no man of able body and mind and being, regardless of skin color, would be turned away under his watch.

And so Jackie played- and so he face the mighty injustices and evils of Racism, and Hatred, and Bigotry, and Spite.

In the midst of the Hate, however, came the Captain, Pee Wee Reese. And Reese, as the stands shook with Spite and threatened Robinson, his courage and life, Reese came over, shortstop to second baseman, white to black, white to white, put his arm around Robinson, and declared he would stand by him, that he would stay by him no matter what.

And one by one th Brooklyn club followed, and the fans, and the city, and so Robinson played on, and the door was opened, and the Gash of Racism began to be healed.

Into the leagues, now, would come the stars Black Baseball had, the joy of Willie Mays, the greatest of them all, of Newcombe and Campanella, teammates of Robinsons, Elston Howard and Lary Doby and Hank Aaron. And those that had been barred from White Baseball for so long, had faced injustice, as had Atchel Paige, got a glimpse of the light so long denied to them.

And Baseball, again, saw it WAS good. Still not perfect, but good.

And a Great Age began in that Mighty Baseball Metropolis, New York, as all three of her teams, the Yankees, Giants, and Brooklyn Dodgers, all three were great, and nearly every year for nearly a Score of Years would meet, at least one of the teams, and often two, in that greatest of events, the World Series, as each team had its identity, unique and distinct throughout Time.

The Yankees were the Great Team, the Mighty Team, sporting the best players, from Berra to Whitey to Maris, and many more all managed by Stengel, that master of words.

But their brightest star WAS Mickey Mantle, who carried on in the tradition of Ruth, Gehrig, and DiMaggio. He was the Honest Kid from Oklahoma, or so he seemed, for he drank himself to stupor after stupor, and Baseball frowned, and his skills diminished, punishment for his robbing Baseball of even brighter lights of glory. But he played on through pain, and Baseball smiled again, and Mantle became an icon of greatness, and of flawed greatness.

Of America.

Then The Giants, the Old Team, a team so steeped in tradition, and of Old Baseball Ideals.

But the team had Willie Mays too, and Willie smiled and laughed and never stopped. He was Joy, Joy on Earth, on the Field. He grew greater and greater, and he would remain great and growing greater for eons to come, a Great AMONG Greats.

And Baseball saw this WAS good.

And The Dodgers, the Working Man's Team, the Team of the Masses. White players and Black, Reese and Robinson, the team embodied the Working Man, and yet forever fell short, always losing to the Yankees or, on that most storied of home runs, suffered at the hands of Bobby Thomson and the Giants, The Shot Heard Round the World tore through the Dodgers.

And yet still they had the Duke, a great man and of great skill, and New York thusly was forced to debate between the Three Teams and Three Symbols.

Giants, Yankees, or Dodgers.
Willie, Mickey, or the Duke.

And finally, after years of trial and failure, Brooklyn won the Series, and defeated the Might of the Yankees.

And Baseball saw it WAS good.

But the Yankees wrought such anger and revenge the next coming season, and punished the Dodgers for their impunity, and Don Larsen Shut Out the Dodgers, as the pitched a Perfect Game in the World Series.

And the Series ended with the Yankees as champions again, but also with Jackie Robinson, worn by age and by the strain of his task, ending his last game, and Series, by striking out.

And Baseball was sad indeed, but New York, Brooklyn would carry on.

But the sites of the homes of those beloved Giants, and Dodgers, fouled the game, and the sites showed greed, would not give the teams a proper place to play, to practice Baseball.

And so New York was punished, as the owners of the Giants and Dodgers grew greedier than the city, and more wicked still, and moved their teams west, to San Francisco, and Los Angeles.

And Lo, the people of New York moaned and cried out in pain, but no agony could match that of Brooklyn's.

They had lost their Dodgers. They had lost their soul.

New York was further punished as the Yankees fell to the Pirates of Pittsburgh, so small in comparison, and yet the Yankees were felled by the Shot of Mazeroski.

And Berra, and White, and Mantle, all grew older, and weaker. They retured to the light, briefly, but soon enough the team fell into pain and dismay. For the Yankees had waited so very long to let black players into their light, and now Baseball punished them, and those players, Willie Mays and Hank Aaron and those many that would follow, would enjoy success, whilst the Yankees crumbled.

The Mighty had fallen, and New York's Punishment was ended, and the Redpemption was begun.

For two teams were given birth in light of Baseball's success, and then two more, and one of those teams that were given birth was granted to new York, to cherish.

And those fans who had once delighted in glorious battle against each other, Giatns to Dodgers, now welcomed the Mets. And the Mets were TERRIBLE, losing more than any other team, but garnering the lvoe and support of New York all the same.

Losers, were these Mets of New York, but Loveable Losers.

And as New York endured this, the other sites of Baseball were, too, active. Boston remained a beacon for the game, and The Splendid Splinter, Ted Williams, DID give Boston hope, as did young Carl Yazsatresmski, and Boston had hope, even in light of their Impossible Dream, and their Curse of the Bambino.

Chicago remained woeful on the field but gleeful in the stands, as Harry Caray and Jack Brickhouse provided the voices for Chicago, and for St. Louis, for years to come.

And out West, in their new home, the Dodgers were, still, alien and uncomfortable, but Vin Scully, who had began his days as Voice of the Dodgers in Brooklyn after Red barber, the Old Voice of Baseball, left, and it was in Los Angeles Scully would become the Voice.

Not just of Los Angeles, or of the Dodgers, but Vin Scully became the Voice of Baseball.

And Baseball smiled on, and saw how it WAS good.

It was now that Pitchers, high on their Hill, now, after years of the Batter dominance and power over the game, now the Pitcher had his Age.

And the stars of the age shone, and so, too, did their teams, all but the greatest of Batters, all but the kind of Mays and of Aaron, all were brought to heel.

Juan Marichal brought to the Giants not only a kick that soared high and majestic, and not just a blazing fastball, but also the spirit of Latin America, ans Hispanics now, in the wake of Robinson's Revolution, had their chance, and a champion in Marichal.

Their greatest champion was of Perto Rico, was the Pirates' Clemente, as brilliant as his life would be tragic.

And just below the Giants in Los Angeles, but in no way below Marichal, the Dodgers had Sandy Koufax. How fast and tight his fastball, cuveball, any ball spun and blazed about, and he was said to be the Greatest of his Time.

Sandy would pitch no-hit games, perfect games, but not a World Series game when it fell upon the time of Yom Kippur, the holiest day for Jews, for Sandy was of the Jewish faith.

And he did not pitch, and Los Angeles, and Baseball, was angered, at first.
And then realized IT'S wrong, and Sandy was hailed a hero once more.

And yet tragedy struck the great hero, unforseen and unforseeable, as his arm went limp, and could pitch no more before his time had yet passed.

But never would he pass from the hearts of Baseball.

St. Louis had the glaring Bob Gibson, and he made the heavens shake and the batters tremble when he let loose his fury and fastball alike.

And still Baseball grew, but was now challenged, was in danger of losing its Charm.
And so, Baseball allowed not just a hero, but the fulfillment of a Redemption.
A Miracle.

And so Tom Seaver came to those woeful Mets of New York, and he proved to be on of the titans of all of time on the Hill, few ever to be mentioned about, let alone above him.

But Seaver could not alone bring about a Miracle, the Miracle Baseball was to bring.

And so came Matlack, and Koosman, and Gentry, Seaver's Great Colleagues. None could pitch as Tom Terrific did, but they pitched well, and all the better under his watch. Here, too, came a young lad from Texas, of the Name Nolan Ryan. He would pitch more than a Score and a Half years, but only his first five for those Mets; he would become grizzled aged, fearsome and the King of Strikeouts. Yet now he was but a young boy with a strong arm and strong spirit, and the guiding help of Seaver.

And the hitters of Jones, Agee, Kranepool and Grote, all gave life to the offense ad Seaver and his Men gave life to a mighty Staff of Pitchers.

And the Mets thusly began their Miracle, as they atoned for the sins of New York and her past betrayals. For they grew, and climbed up from the Depths of Despair in Baseball's Cellar.

The Cubs, then, fell to the Mets, and to their own Curse, and the Mets Won the Series to the shock of all that beheld the sights, as the populace proclaimed these Mets to truly BE Workers of Miracles.

New York had a Team back, Miracles back, Hope back, and Baseball smiled on her once more.

She smiled, too, on the lights that were fading.
On Mantle, as his career ended, and his life slid into despair, but Baseball would keep watch over the Troubled Son.
On Williams, ans the Splendid Splinter ended his reign.
On Musian in St. Louis.
On Koufax in Los Angeles.

And yet, Baseball's most Prodigious Son feared the light at the Days Past Playing. Willie Mays still smiled, but his smile shone not quite so brightly. He still played on, and yet he was no longer able to play as he once had as that Kid in New York, or else as the Mighty Mays in San Francisco those many years. And he passed from Baseball, and Baseball shone the bightest of her lights upon him again, to signify the End of Mays Days.

So Ended the Time of Old Baseball.

For Curt Flood, an Outfielder of the Cardinals, fleet of foot and quick of wit and mind, wished the players to be free from their teams. For so long, forever, had the players been bound, indefinitely, forevermore, to their teams, unless it be the whim of an own to cast a player aside or trade him as one might trade cattle. The players were overly poor and helpless, the owners forever powerful.

And so Flood challenged this bondage, The Reserve Clause.
And in America's High Court, Flood won the freedom, at length, for the Players.

But now the freedom shattered Baseball's sense of Team, of Identity, as one season turned to the next, and players no longer stood so much for their teams, on the whole, as for themselves.

Greed had once more crept into Baseball's Creation, and would never, yet, be quite done away with, for the greed of the owners remained, the greed of the players intensified, and Baseball became a Business, more so than ever, as well as a Leveler of Classes and Races.

A Game.

But the Game went on, and in new locations. San Diego and Seattle, Oakland and elsewhere, Baseball, once a Tribe of Sixteen, swelled to more than a Score.

The Athletics, long the nomadic whips of baseball, whipped after early days of glory in Philadelphia, whipped and robbed by the Yankees and others in Kansas City, now came upon the Bay of Oakland, and settled, adn there found prosperity, respectibility, and a Dynasty.

Catfish and Reggie, Bando and Blue, and all the rest, brought glory upon the Bay, and upon themselves, Series after Series.

Now, too, did another Dynasty arise, here in the oft-forgotten land of Cincinnati.

The Big Red Machine came to life, as Nolan and Morgan, Rose and Bench, Sparky and Griffey the Father, Foster and Geronimo and all the rest banded to form the Red Machine, and bring glory upon once-barren Cincinnati.

But here, too, did Boston respond, and a Series for the Ages transpired. That Series was fiercely fought, and gave Baseball and the Nation much joy. Boston had not yet won since their Curse began, and the Reds, too, had not enjoyed triumph for many a year.

In Inning Twelve of the Sixth Game, here occured an event which shook Baseball, gave it a crowing moment, as, after a fierce battle between the rival teams, Calton Fisk, a loyal young catcher of New England, waved, willed Fair a Home Run that saved Boston.

Still, however, the Curse weighed heavily upon Boston's shoulder's and they lost the Series, and Cincinnati was thusly redeemed by that victory, and one in the Next Season.

Still more bonds were forged in this Age of Dynasties, as the Players in Pittsburgh declared "They Were Family!" and saw two great victories in the Age.

But only one would be seen by the long-time overseer of the Family, Clemente. For he was to die, tragically, in a plane crash, dying attempting to bring relief to those in need.

The Yankees rebuilt their frame, but were volatile. Reggie left the Athletic Camp for New York, and with him, and Munson, and Martin ans Steinbrenner, the new and ruthless leader of the Yankee Empire, a Series was once more won.

But New York's rebirth would be short, as Martin was exiled by Steinbrenner, Reggie would leave after a time, and Munson, the Captain of the Yankees, would die, too, in a plane crash.

And yet, happiness, solace, was found in this Age, as a Great Hero, Hank Aaron, ascended to the Kingship of the Home Run Throne. He succeeded the reverred Ruth, forever cast into the hearts of the Followers of Baseball, and of Baseball itself.

Baseball left the Age of Dynasties, and entered a new time, one that would become her Darkest of Ages, the Age of Sinners.

It began with Rose. Rose had been beloved by Cincinnati as a player, as a manager, but now he was Banished, sent East of Baseball, for Gambling and Greed, the sins that had claimed Shoeless Joe long ago.

Yet still events were to occur before the Darkest of Agees, last glimpses of the remnants of the Old Game, before a New Game took hold.

The Cardinals would remain a fixture of Greatness, and Victory, again, was attained, but the Cardinals, so consistent over the many years, so priviledged in Basball's grace, was to see a dark hour, now, come upon her.

For the Cardinals in a Series met the Royals, a young and new team, from Kansas City. And in the Sixth Game, in the Ninth Inning, with the Royals lacking in runs and nearly out of hope, the Darkness of a Wrongful Call allowed a Royal runner a base, a base he never had rightfully earned.

But the ded was done, the wound inflicted, and Kansas City would claim victory in light of St. Louis' dark, Wrongful Call, a Call that would prove to end Cardinal victory for a time.

It was a great miracle for little Kansas City, and a somber hour for St. Louis.

But for New York and Boston, the next Season, after great dominance by both and a Series of heroes, a wretch, and a miracle, were to unfold.

For in that Sixth Game, the Red Sox of Boston, so very close, a Strike, a Second away from breaking their Curse, led the Mets. But the Mets continued onward, hits came, runs, and errors of judgment by Boston.

And then it occured.

A ground ball rolled towards Bill Buckner, who was a on most other occasions so true and sure of his senses, and on this occasion, the ball, as New York hearts burst from joy and Boston hearts sank with agony, passed through his legs, and the Mets won the Game on the Miracle, and, the next day, the Series as well.

Joy was found in New York again, their great heroes, Gooden and Strawberry, Keith Hernandez and Mookie Wilson, Ojeda and Orsoco, Knight and many more, all were heroes, and were expected, now by New York, and by Baseball, to form a new Dynasty in the glory of Baseball.

But the Darkness that had already claimed St. Louis and Boston now wrought its havoc upon New York, as its players partook of Wicked Fruits, and the team fell in shambles. Gooden and Strawberry, in their youth, took the Fruit of Fame and of Ecstasy, and found in them only despair and ruin, as they themselves were ruined, only to be redeemed eons later by the forgiveness of their faithful. The rest of the team, too, scattered away, as the players wre now free to do, and New York was robbed of her chance at fruther glory.

But this proved but a warning, as the full wrath of the Era of Sinners was now unfolding.

Worse than the Wicked Fruits, the Forbidden Fruits of Steroids were now introduced, and, behold, how many wicked players partook of them!

For moeny or fame, and the Fruit would give these hethens powers of Ruth or Mays, but they would never BE Ruth or Mays, not rightfully.

But before the Fruits took over and their full grip was extended, last glimpses of greatness, real greatness, were seen, as the hero of Los Angeles, Gibson, hobbled about the basepaths after a home run hit, wounded as he was, as Scully and the Dodgers were filled with joy, unaware it would be, in fact, the last Series they would win.

The Twins of Minnesota, too, twice came from meager beginings to victory, and this gave America joy, a team from Toronto won a Series on a shot by Joe Carter, and this, truly, would be Baseball's lat great moment for some time.

For the Wickedness of the Land now came to the core, as steroids, greed, money, and selfishness and Sins Against the Game were committed.

Baseball, for a full Season, was at war, and dead.

Baseball in the eyes of many, now, was dead.
Greed, expansion, steroids, money, and a Lost Season, all Deathly Blows.

Baseball returned, but now was shunned. The Yankees returned to power with Jeter and Torre and Mariano, and in New York, there was some joy, but throughout the land, Baseball was still not forgiven. In Los Angeles came a Catcher, Piazza, and in Seattle an Outfielder, Griffey, whose father had been of the Red Machine ilk, and they were beacons of joy in their cities, but still Baseball was not forgiven. An expansion team, the Marlins of Florida, wona Series, and yet disdain grew all the more, for who were they, these Marlins, claimed the people? What business did they have, defeating an old, victory-starved team as were the Indians of Cleveland? A teram of BOUGHT players, America cried, and no more. She stopped to watch McGwire and Sosa partake of Steroidic Fruti and pass Maris, and in Los Angeles agony was felt as Piazza was, in an act of greed by the Owner, passed the Mets of New York.

And it was there, then in New York, the Shining Hill of Baseball, where the Game was first healed, and revived. For the Mets and Yankees would face each other in a Series, a "Subway Series" as they had called the contest in bygone days when the Dodgers were of Brooklyn and the Giants native to New York. Piazza and Jeter performed heroically, but the Yankees struck down the Mets, and won a Third Straight Victory.

And across America, the people, largely, still had not returned to the Flock which once was of Baseball.

It was now, too, in this era, that Caray died, and the Midwest mourned his passing deeply.

But not so deeply as would be the mourning that would soon take place on the Shining Hill, in New York.

For the Towers were Attacked, as was Washington, and Death and War came upon the land.

But Baseball, after a pause of grief and mourning, played on, the Mets donning the caps of the police and firemen who had perished in the Towers, and Piazza won that first Game after the Attack for New York, adn the Yankees came to the Series for New York.

And, amidst the loss adn sorrow and sadness, Baseball WAS back in New York, at the very least, and as tears of bitter anguish an despair flowed, so too, due to the deeds of Piazza and his Mets and Jeter and his Yankees, a few, solitary, tears of joy.

The Yankees would lose the Series to an expansion team, the Diamondbacks, largely unknown and largely alien to Baseball still, but the Series was immaculate, and it gave New York, even in defeat, a kind of joy; again, two years hence, when they would lose to the Marlins, New York, still hurt, still felt some joy, solace, in knowing its Yankees, is Baseball, was returned to her.

And that same Year, the Year of the Marlins' Second Victory, the Cubs, again, fell prey to their Curse. So close to a Series when a fan, known as Bartman, interferred with a ball, and Chicagoans were livid, and the Cubs remained Cursed, and would remain so through the Century Mark.

But one Curse was to die soon, and then another.

For the Red Sox of Boston were upon the cusp of defeat, trailing Three Games to None, and then, in a Miracle, won Four Straight against the Yankees, the Bambino's Team, and Four More Straight against the Cardinals.

The Curse of the Bambino was Broken, and Boston was Liberated Once More.

So, too, would be the White Sox of Chicago the following season, as they won a Series and their Curse died away.

And these victories helped to obscure the darker times, for the Era of the Steroid was still upon Baseball, and villians ran rampant. Canseco, and McGwire, and Sosa, and Rodriguez of New York, and Barry Bonds. Bonds would surpass the Rightful Rulers of the Home Run Thrones, and would usurp Aaron's Throne as Home Run King.

But the People would remain fast behind their Champ Aaron.

And more names would be named, and the issue would hang, but as teams returned to contention and once again races for glory mattered to the people AND to the players, Baseball was now largely healed, and could Grow Once More.

THAT'S the quick version.
Dejan0707 (1608 D)
30 Mar 10 UTC
European football is the best sports :)))
warsprite (152 D)
30 Mar 10 UTC
@ Obiwanobiwan You did not mention the Reds till the last portion of your saga. The first night game, the first back to back no hitter etc. How can you ignore such venerated team?
warsprite (152 D)
30 Mar 10 UTC
@ Obiwan Also the first fullypro team.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 Mar 10 UTC
Cricket is still better. Lmao.


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monkeyangst (142 D)
30 Mar 10 UTC
Language barriers?
We've got people from all over the world on this site, and while there are a number of games played in other languages, the vast majority are played in English. Anyone run into amusing or interesting situations as a result of miscommunication or linguistic confusion?
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